Empire vs Yuuzhan Vong

[Meyer]

but imperial navy was designed for an all out war. It would have been perfect for fighting against YV. It wasn't supposed to fight against hit-and-run tactics. And if YV would come and threaten to wreak havoc and destruction and death to the galaxy I think empire would have been able to assign more units to fight YV.

[Slornie]

Right, and the Imperial Remnant's ships fared so much better than the New Republic's?

The Imperial fighter craft would be utterly useless against the Vong (remember, until the Rebel Alliance won with superior fighters, the Empire went with cheaper, weaker fighters) - They dont have any shielding against the Dovin Basals, and few had projectile weapons.

Meanwhile, Star Destroyers, however powerful, were just as vulnerable to the Vong as any of the New Republic ships.

And i still say that without the Jedi running around, the Vong would have been more focused on cleansing the galaxy.

I think the only advantage the Empire would have had over the New Republic is Thrawn not having been killed - But even he wasnt infallible.

[Meyer]

plus dozen of superweapons. And I don't think you can compare the Empire before Endor and Imperial remnant. there was so many differences between them. And Empire concentrated on massive number of starfighters. The more you got the easier it is to penetrate the dovin basal.

[Slornie]

Why cant you compare the Empire with the Imperial Remnant? They used the exact same technology, the same protocols and tactics (except for those changed after being defeated by the Rebel Alliance).  I would assume that they maintained similar unit strengths, in proportion to the territory they controlled.

Yes, the Empire had superweapons, but they were all found to have flaws that rendered them near useless - I dont see that being any different against the Vong.  Sure, they had Maw Installation researching new weapons, but they were focused on combating conventional forces, whereas the Vong were decidedly unconventional in all respects.

The Empire's philosophy was to have huge numbers of weaker starfighters (which the Rebels proved to be a poor strategy) - This means that even though they might have superior numbers, they would be far easier for the Vong to destroy (remember the plasma that ate through durasteel? And with no shields for initial deflection).

[Meyer]

Imperial tactics did change after Thrawn. they began to use smaller number of better quality fighters. and Thrawn began to use shields on his ties. And also the imperial remnant didn't have massive cloning facilities and shipyards to produce new troopers and ships. empire did have. And I doubt YV would have searched any weaknesses from imperial superweapons. they would have think they were a mockery to their gods and just try to destroy them with sheer force. And Empire did have many high quality fighters which they didn't mass produce because they were expensive. but given time, from 4 ABY to 25 ABY, I believe there would have been large enough of them to counter the YV.

[vadereclipse]

can i just ask, post-YV war, was there a sort of militarisation and a boom in weapons upgrading and research to try and fare better than the vong next time?

[Slornie]

can i just ask, post-YV war, was there a sort of militarisation and a boom in weapons upgrading and research to try and fare better than the vong next time?

Well, there was research and development of new ships, as you see some of the results in the Swarm War and the Confederation/Alliance War.  But it doesnt seem like there was a major increase in R&D.

I thought the Vong went off all happy with Zonoma Sekot though, so i wasnt expecting there to be a "next time".

[Dane Kiet]

Let me point out that the Sun Crusher HAD NO FLAWS. The only reason it was destroyed was because Kype stopped and said "what the fuck am I doing?" and dumped it into a black-hole. So, that mention of super weapons being useless is not quite accurate. Further, the Empire had stealth technology since before the Battle of Endor, which wasn't really used in the Vong wars, but could have easily become more common had the Empire not collapsed.

[vadereclipse]

Let me point out that the Sun Crusher HAD NO FLAWS. The only reason it was destroyed was because Kype stopped and said "what the fuck am I doing?" and dumped it into a black-hole. So, that mention of super weapons being useless is not quite accurate. Further, the Empire had stealth technology since before the Battle of Endor, which wasn't really used in the Vong wars, but could have easily become more common had the Empire not collapsed.

would anyone be willing to annihilate millions of worlds using it? then, they would be as bad as the YV.

[Slornie]

Let me point out that the Sun Crusher HAD NO FLAWS. The only reason it was destroyed was because Kype stopped and said "what the fuck am I doing?" and dumped it into a black-hole.

The Sun Crusher had no known flaws against conventional weapons, which the Vong didnt use.  At the very least, it only had a limited load of those star buster missiles (and its reliant on the enemy not moving while the star goes *poof*).  Also, get a big enough Dovin Basal, and it would be just as dead as when it was sucked into a blackhole.

[Dane Kiet]

would anyone be willing to annihilate millions of worlds using it? then, they would be as bad as the YV.

Lay a trap in an uninhabited system where they can use driods to run decoy ships and bye bye YV fleet. And the Sun Crusher Could just stay away from the enemy warships, WAY out of range of the Davin Basals, and launch it's torpedo quite safely.

[Isamu]

it is much easier to fight a defined enemy than one where guerilla tactics are used

[Scarecrow63]

The Vong know so much about biology and gravity that the minute that torpedoe affected the star, they'd probably know and be outta there.

And im not sure how effective stealth would be against the YV, theyd probably be able to detect through some gravity trick or somethin

[Slornie]

And im not sure how effective stealth would be against the YV, theyd probably be able to detect through some gravity trick or somethin

Yeah, their tracking system used the unique gravitic signature of each ship to identify it, which stealth tech wouldnt hide.

[Isamu]

besides all the stygum crystals are gone except for a select few so making stealthed ships would be nearly impossible

[Meyer]

Let me point out that the Sun Crusher HAD NO FLAWS. The only reason it was destroyed was because Kype stopped and said "what the fuck am I doing?" and dumped it into a black-hole.

The Sun Crusher had no known flaws against conventional weapons, which the Vong didnt use.  At the very least, it only had a limited load of those star buster missiles (and its reliant on the enemy not moving while the star goes *poof*).  Also, get a big enough Dovin Basal, and it would be just as dead as when it was sucked into a blackhole.

but first the dovin basal should get a lock on the sun crusher. which it can't because it's so fast and manouverable.

[Isamu]

so is a missile and dovin basils have sucked those in plenty of times. what you need to do is have a cloaked yv ship in front of the sun crusher and then turn on a dovin basil at the exact moment.

[Meyer]

YV ships don't cloak. and missiles don't usually move around dodging. they usually finds their flightpath and follow it.

[Slornie]

The Dovin Basals could still catch the Sun Crusher in their area of effect, which would slow it and hamper its movement.

And it still isnt proved to be invulnerable - Remember how the plasma ate through durasteel? There is nothing to say that wouldnt happen to the Quantum armour, and apart from the small stock of those star buster missiles, its only armament was four little laser cannons (pretty useless), and i cant see it being able to ram the Vong ships (like that Star Destroyer in the Maw) without being caught by a Dovin Basal.

[Meyer]

then how come republic fighter were able to avoid dovin basals? they're not that much bigger. And didn't we already have this conversation at the beginning of this topic?