Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Revan on September 28, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
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Tell me who? Be honnest !!! If you don't lokk at that !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oawyj6hcos4&list=TLMoR859h0lBKKFtQYfJZESsmtWd74RQ5Q
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Its rare for me to watch the movies anymore but the EU is my stomping grounds. So many memories
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EU is too full of plot bunnies, can't read most of the book. The movies are too full of supremely poor acting, can't stand to watch them. Honestly, don't know what keeps me liking the Star Wars universe given that I refuse to touch anything related to it other than games anymore.
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EU is too full of plot bunnies, can't read most of the book. The movies are too full of supremely poor acting, can't stand to watch them. Honestly, don't know what keeps me liking the Star Wars universe given that I refuse to touch anything related to it other than games anymore.
I read Darth Plagueis for the first time this summer as well as did rereading of The Legacy comics. Even in the great heap of inconsistent storytelling that is the Star Wars universe, there are some truly magnificent works that keep rekindling my interest when all else fails.
Oh, and A New Dawn is reportedly a good book :angel:. Going to pick that up eventually. Hard to go wrong with John Jackson Miller.
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A couple of slightly unrelated things. One, I recognize a Timpedia piece anywhere, and you clearly have good taste in sources. Second, you've been posting as a guest for some time now, Revan. Have you considered creating an account?
On topic, EU vs. movies depends on particular format of EU and which trilogy of movies. The OT has better acting and drama, the PT has better action sequences, and when you combine those you get the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel in ROTS. I love games, particularly the KotOR games, which are actually very basic gameplay-wise, but beautifully written (especially the second). The books are subject to author rivalries and plot bunnies, while the comics brought us Dark Empire, so enough said on those. TV? Nothing worth saying before The Clone Wars, a series that I have not seen much of since season one, so I cannot make a judgment on that. (The return of Maul was done pretty well in my opinion, however.)
Frankly, the reboot has thrown a baby out with some pretty stinky bathwater: Legacy of the Force (I'm told a lot of people hate Cadeus), Dark Empire (really? REALLY? You just HAD to bring Palps back, huh?), the rarely-used and/or overpowered weapons in Rebellion and Galactic Battlegrounds created to fill out the engine, IG-88 controlling the DSII, etc. So like any timeline of any universe, SW Legends had its ups and downs. We don't know what of the EU will be mined to fill out the old continuity, but we can hope future writers learn from the mistakes of old.
Ideally, the Sequel Trilogy incorporates the drama of the OT with the cool action of the PT. And it's not like just because Disney owns it means it's going to suck (The Avengers, anyone?) or rock (pick a Marvel flick you hate). And the new canon will see the good stuff from the EU and bring it back, while leaving the less desirable elements to rot. If these things are done, wiping the slate clean will at the very least look like a creative decision and not a stupid one.
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Yhea it's good to see the moovies.... Because in clone war 501th soldiers are able to think... The explanation of the implant.. That's don't work they have tis implant from the beging and they work from the begining ! Obiwan encounter grievious before SW III but in the moovie Grievous say : "Fool Doku train me to your Jedi arts." That's mean they never figth before !
I like to see even the prequel still logic it's happening something.. Taht's like a story line with conexion to the background of story line... But they show the background of the universe (brievly it gave pist and clues wich will be devlopped by the comminity) not the background of the storyline... You have to rethink all of the thing yourself... About Anakin thinking his doubts on the jedi code (see the video Are Jedi evil? / Are we all sith?) It's all about huess analysis (about palpatine's manipulation his it him who send vision to anakin, is he using mind tricks against the sena?) even in the original there is refernce the empire represnt the nazis, references exist and it have been demonstrated....)
But like they said in star war magazins before the force unleashed : "What the saga without the imaginations of the fans?" They talk after to detail what could be great a person who has been in the shadow of the vader's traning without contact to the outworld but.. No that wasn't devlop in the game... and worst when you hit someone with a very pitfull ligth saber attack it's hurt but it dosen't cut like in Jedi Knigth acdemy but it was a nice tentativ to make us feel and embrase the force in the era of next gen....
I like extraodinary chracter like revan. Or elss important but with amazing story like Ace azemeen !
I like the Idea of Xizor tyber zaan (I don't approve teh story in all points but in the general Idea.. Welcome to real life, there is corruption in the world !)
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Ha Yhea P.S : I'm french and I watched the moovie in french first and I can tell Anakin have a very good voice in french !! Not execellent but it's good it's fresh young, not very accurate for the "great noble discussion of love" but If you remeber the scene of the bar in épisode II.. Us in France Remeber This quote used many time and it's in our actual langage now This quote is "Negociation musclée" we find the scene great. It was the freshest moment in anakin voice acting in french... Mac gregor it's fine but the original still much better...
Zfter it's all the same. If you look into lucas art magzine they say even in the first trilogy I don't knew who I was.. Only I was just the bad guy. (About vader) So you have no exuse about the acting... In both it's weird....
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P.P.S : They make a lot's of reboots. I appreciate but sometimes taht's bad.. sometimes taht's really good (1313 fore example no import the scenario it's all in the ambiance of the city...)
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The performances of Christopher Lee, Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor and Tem Morrison were exceptional in the prequels
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That's true. It's even been pointed out that Christensen didn't look too bad, especially in ROTS. (Seriously, watch the parts in the third act when he just gives a look. Is that creepy or what?) It was when he had to say something that he fell victim to subpar writing, which was not his fault.
Really, that's my number one beef with the PT: the writing. Gorgeous scenery, wicked good action, and several very interesting characters. But all of that means nothing without good writing. ST writers, if you want to keep the franchise alive, please take note.
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I mean look at the extended universe 3 years mont after the end of SW III there is more contenent is the extented universe about the prequel than the original trilogy (peharps I'm exagerating.. But) wich one exist from an older time !!!! Because there is more interesting chracter.. Compare Grievous to grand moff tarkin... Anakin to Luke. We know everything about luke that's the blablabkla young guy elected to save the world blablabla borring isn't it? Grievous have a more interesting story !, that's luke cannot have !!!!! I mean look in the review of the PT from this point of view palpatine is the greatest manipulator ever !
Not the greaddy empeor ho evil no evil empeor who is on the evil side of the force how could this be allowed to live? AND IT'S THE SAME CHARCTER !!!!!!!
Now it's changing because we so many thing about the prequels than we go the original after original and old republic stuff.. you can't write a line more about the prequel !!!!
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I do admit, the movies still have their charm (even the PT...When it does feel like SW to me).
The EU has some good things...And a lot of stupid things.
While the Yuuzhan Vong war has some decisions I felt were kind of dumb (New Rublic composed of idiots, Chewie dying, etc), it was actually one Hell of a gutsy move to put the characters in a rather bleak situation (like...Chewie dying...It's a bad/good thing to me) and even in the end, nothing is the same anymore due to the god damn death count.
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I actually liked seeing the New Republic shown for the corrupt and morally hollow fraud it always was in the Yuuzhan Vong War
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I quite enjoyed the Vong war myself - as Xizer points out it does a fine job highlighting the weaknesses of a democratic system (though the Remnant didn't fair much better near the end - really, the Hapan monarchy seemed to weather it the best out of govt. types in terms of emerging fairly unscathed beyond their ship losses at Fondor), as well as doing a lot of exploration into various Force philosophies and providing a lot of really epic moments and stories (Ganner's last stand is among my top few moments in all Star Wars). It had its low points, to be sure - the Zonama Sekot storyline dragged on a bit, I wasn't a huge fan of the Han-focused books after Ithorians fell, etc., but it had a lot of good stuff in it too.
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I dosen't like Yhuzaa Vong story...
When I talk to the reboot in the EU... I said sometimes they do good sometimes wrong...
An empire in star war nead someone like Revan at the leading.... I know he's death a long long very longtime ago... I like sometimes seeing fan creating their own story line and bring back Revan during the clone war the civil war etc.. But That's not good.. What's could be good is to find a method to bring him back to life.. And after the Yuzaa vong etc... Bring a conclusion ! Thank to him...
As I alway says if knowledge is power then Revan should probably the most powerfull man in the universe more than anyone in warhammer halo.. Any Forrerrunner precursor have his Knowledge.. In my opinion is more wise than yoda is, because he is also more clever..
They sayed anakin where elected to be the chosen one... Revan where somekind of chosen one I suppose than Traya is the human incarnation of a Athena like deity, and Revan is her chosen one.... Someone able to bring clarity to the all universe... More than anyone else..
And I'd like to see him a last time...At the last moment....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rkm9is1KDY
Look at that's....
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I prefer Star Wars games that have EU storylines. The Jedi Knight and Force Unleashed games are proof of that, but I pick Jedi Knight overall because of the emotional tone of the stories they have, namely Kyle Katarn trying to hunt down Jerec (and later, Desann).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAPNN3cuHw
Look at 27:03 Interesting saying !
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I do got to say, I never enjoyed the New Republic outside of the longtime military officers...AKA the guys who did fight the Empire because they gave a damn about making the galaxy a better place. I mean yeah, the more reasonable leaders tried so hard to not be like the Republic before (which I loath even more for the corruption and the shit storm that came with it) but in many books, they just drop the ball at times. Yuuzhan Vong war was pretty much rock bottom for them once they just suck overall.
I don't blame the IR for not faring as well against the Vong but they weren't the same Empire that I honestly could say can handle the Vong. While I do chuckle at Han's retort over what the old Empire would do, he's...Quite dead wrong to say the least in my opinion.
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Agreed, even the Vong like Czulkang Lah, Shimmra, Nom Anor and Nas Choka admitted that the Empire would have been a far more vicious opponent to fight. They were more vicious, ruthless and had a military that was literally 12 times stronger than the NR ever reached. They had alliances with large cartels and various xenophobic species they could use. The vong would have had to deal with massive couterattacks almost from the very start rather than being allowed to gradually build up a beach head like the NR gave them
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On the Vong subject, here's some food for thought. How much could've been avoided if Thrawn had just met with the NR leadership and explained what he was trying to protect against rather than try to conquer the galaxy again?
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I doubt NR leaders would have believed him.
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Yeah i can see that playing out. No evidence of a species no one in NR has ever heard of requires an Imperial to run things...
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That's true, I suppose. I'd love to think that a huge mess could've been turned into a manageable conflict if somebody had thought to communicate. It might have improved things if even a couple of Jedi went beyond the Rim to go scout out this new threat. Of course, we all know what happened the last time a Jedi tried going out to the galaxy's edge...
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Yeah, I don't think the NR would care bout an alien race they never met and would rather continue taking out the Imperial Remnant/Warlords as a top priority.
Reminds me how the Empire of the Hand pretty much said there are threats that make the Galactic Civil War look like child's play out in the Unknown Regions but yeah...No one really cared about it until such a threat came at them at a very bad time for the NR as they reached a new level of incompetence at that point.
...I'm still pissed the NR executed GA Teshik just by being the one Imperial Officer they could execute. Like no checking his records to see he's a decent man doing his job, he's a war criminal nevertheless just because he didn't defect. Actually, that's a huge thing I'm annoyed at, just because you're an Imperial and didn't defect to the Rebellion means to them you're an asshole. Not everyone is god damn Tarkin.
The Hand of Judgement books made it clear, the storm troopers joined the army because they do give a damn about keeping the peace. They dislike the increasing immorality but they're not joining the Rebels cause of it...I have to say that earned my respect since they kept their values and opt for a third option that allows them to be what they signed up for.
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Agreed, i always liked that about the hand of judgement and Pellaeon. They were good men and soldiers who still managed to serve the Ideal of the Empire and make it better for it rather than cop out to the rebels
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Actually, that's a huge thing I'm annoyed at, just because you're an Imperial and didn't defect to the Rebellion means to them you're an asshole. Not everyone is god damn Tarkin.
Unfortunately, it's an all-too-real phenomenon. People want blood and they can't have the actual perpetrator, so they settle for the most convenient opponent to serve as a symbol.
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Happened with a lot of German officers at WWIIs end seeing as how the Empire was heavily influenced by Germany, it stands to reason there would be similarities
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In fairness, it is pointed out (I can't recall in which book) that the majority of the overall Imperial bureaucracy were allowed to essentially maintain the jobs they had, if only for the sake of expediency and practicality - these were mostly just people doing their jobs, and replacing them all would have created chaos. But yes, Teshik in particular was treated unfairly. I can understand the Grand Admirals, appointed by Palpatine and only answerable to him, as being worthy of extra concern and suspicion, but summary execution solely for holding the rank? Unless Grand Admirals had to pass some evil initiation right to get the job, I say no.
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And recall that Teshik was actually a pretty nice guy (which is almost unheard of among Imp higher-ups). You really want to call a guy like that "evil"?
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And recall that Teshik was actually a pretty nice guy (which is almost unheard of among Imp higher-ups). You really want to call a guy like that "evil"?
He did oversee the brutal subjugation of some world's population after his cyborgation. He also turned a blind eye to some atrocities committed in his name after he lost a lot of empathy due to the abuse he took as a cyborg. The Alliance used these as justification for executing him as well as using it as a personal example. It's a true tragedy of his character that he recovered his humanity mere hours before his execution. He reminded me a lot of Pellaeon in that he was Imperial for order not tyranny. Had he lived he might have been a powerful force for change in the Empire next to Fel, Rogriss, Pellaeon and other like minded Imps.
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I wonder where Luke was to stop this. Honestly. The Jedi, who I would think would seriously object to an act of injustice such as this, seem oddly absent from this discussion.
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I wonder where Luke was to stop this. Honestly. The Jedi, who I would think would seriously object to an act of injustice such as this, seem oddly absent from this discussion.
Busy burning his father/killing dinosaurs/dueling Lumiya?
I can totally envision a scenario where a group of Bothans and hard-line Alliance generals (Nantz?) arrange a hasty court martial for Teshik deep in the woods while rest of the Rebels are still partying in Bright Tree Village.
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Busy burning his father/killing dinosaurs/dueling Lumiya?
I can totally envision a scenario where a group of Bothans and hard-line Alliance generals (Nantz?) arrange a hasty court martial for Teshik deep in the woods while rest of the Rebels are still partying in Bright Tree Village.
Yeah. And honestly I don't really see Luke stopping it even if he did disagree. Unfortunately I saw the movies before I ever read a book, so whenever I think of Luke, I think of a "special needs" boy that can't think his way out of a wet paper bag, and whose acting skills is slightly worse.
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Well, I mostly see it as Luke getting his hands tied and being surrounded by less forgiving people who went through a lot to actually help anyone at that point. After all, nearly everyone did believe Vader was irredeemable while Luke thought otherwise (although I'll be fair to Obi-Wan, he did his best to reason with Anakin during a duel to the death, and his closest friend in his adult life was practically far gone in their duel who committed very terrible acts while losing any sense of sanity. While he may have lied to Luke about his father's true fate, he did believe the Anakin he knew is dead).
While Luke is a Jedi, he's just someone with his own opinions against people who arguably had far worse ordeals (Alderaan comes to mind) and want far more than apologies. I remember some Rebellion era books where people resort to Luke despite him having no idea how to be a Jedi in the early days. Also amusing was Han telling Mon Mothma if Luke was so great, why does he (Han) have to save him in most situations...I don't know what source had that quote though...
...Reminds me how he was willing to forgive Kryp Durron much to the outrage of certain characters, although he did think over how Corran made it clear it wasn't all Exar Kun's doing and that Kryp has to share the blame. After all, if Kun was in complete control...He would just kill Luke off the bat. Kind of did help point out how he was kind of a naive doormat at times.
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That ridiculousbelief that we're not "Too Far Gone" in Luke, they get to come back from it. Hell he'd prob of gave Sidious a second chance
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In episode VI both of sidious and vader are trying to make luke there own apprentice...
Vader try to show him his hidden power.... If you have read the rise of the dark lord you know vader is more cappble to take dammage that's not because luke cut his one hand that he will stop the figth.... He think than luke sentiment for him will protect him to be killed... And then turn luke against the empror.. The empror Think the contrary... So he were helped..... And then that's vader who kill sidious.... And die due to the ligthnings...
AND FAN OF THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY THINK THIS FIGTH MAKING LUKE GREAT????
So A second chance to emperor O.K why not because we really need it !!!! And give him sun crusher galactic gun, eclipse II sovereign class destroyeur that was fucking great !!!!
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Ha sorry I read too fast...
Luke is a Jedi but a bit more oppen mind.. Not like Revan was... But clearly more oppen mind than yoda kenobi etc...
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I liked Jerec as a villain and Katarn as a hero.
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That ridiculousbelief that we're not "Too Far Gone" in Luke, they get to come back from it. Hell he'd prob of gave Sidious a second chance.
One of the best ways to convert a Sith is to make him doubt his connection to the dark side. (This advice comes from KotOR II, when HK advises the Exile on how to take down Sion.) That or appeal to his loved ones, which was Vader's situation. Sidious had no loved ones and the only way to reliably make Sidious doubt himself would be to absolutely mop the floor with him in the most one-sided duel in history, and even Luke would not be able to do that. (We're talking about the guy who nearly beat Yoda.) So Luke would try, but he would find out pretty quickly that wasn't going to fly. What would happen next is another story.
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One of the best ways to convert a Sith is to make him doubt his connection to the dark side. (This advice comes from KotOR II, when HK advises the Exile on how to take down Sion.) That or appeal to his loved ones, which was Vader's situation. Sidious had no loved ones and the only way to reliably make Sidious doubt himself would be to absolutely mop the floor with him in the most one-sided duel in history, and even Luke would not be able to do that. (We're talking about the guy who nearly beat Yoda.) So Luke would try, but he would find out pretty quickly that wasn't going to fly. What would happen next is another story.
While he was able to overcome it, the doubt you allude to brings to mind Darth Bane's greatest adversary in achieving Sith mastery - once he got over his fear of the dark side, his potential skyrocketed. However, if we're going by the EU... Siddious didn't nearly beat Yoda, he DID beat Yoda (Stover's RoTS novel quite clearly has Yoda losing the fight but managing to escape), but Luke later on beats Siddious in the Dark Empire series (it sucks, I know, but it's there). If we're going by movies... Yoda and Siddious pretty much were an equal match, and after a burst of energy throws him out of the immediate fighting area Yoda just decides to give up and run rather than, I don't know, retrieve his lightsaber, attack from a new angle, try to sneak up behind the cackling madman overhead... something? I prefer to go by the books, else I have to think bad things about Yoda there. ;)
On the other hand, there are other reasons to think bad things about Yoda, so... *shrugs*
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Agreed, i loved the RotS novel save for one part. Where Dooku begs for his life, aside from my love of the character, it just seemed so completely out of character (i relish that sir Christopher Lee thought the same thing when he read the script so it was taken out)
Other than that the book was spot on with personalities and the duels felt more intimate than on screen.
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While he was able to overcome it, the doubt you allude to brings to mind Darth Bane's greatest adversary in achieving Sith mastery - once he got over his fear of the dark side, his potential skyrocketed. However, if we're going by the EU... Siddious didn't nearly beat Yoda, he DID beat Yoda (Stover's RoTS novel quite clearly has Yoda losing the fight but managing to escape), but Luke later on beats Siddious in the Dark Empire series (it sucks, I know, but it's there). If we're going by movies... Yoda and Siddious pretty much were an equal match, and after a burst of energy throws him out of the immediate fighting area Yoda just decides to give up and run rather than, I don't know, retrieve his lightsaber, attack from a new angle, try to sneak up behind the cackling madman overhead... something? I prefer to go by the books, else I have to think bad things about Yoda there. ;)
On the other hand, there are other reasons to think bad things about Yoda, so... *shrugs*
What I think about the Yoda/Sidious duel is that Yoda was beaten; but not physically. He was a broken man (er, alien) after sensing all those deaths in the Force. Could he have beaten Sidious? I believe he could have, but at what cost? How far would he have gone, might he have embraced the power of the Dark Side to defeat Palpatine, not to defeat an enemy, but simply as a blind act of revenge?
Yoda was beaten because his hands were tied. He couldn't become what was necessary to defeat Sidious without betraying everything he stood for.
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And in that very way Sidious proved a mastery over Yoda in that he held no such scruple. In the space of a humans llifetime he defeated 874 years of accumulated Jedi knowledge and to that point the pinnacle of Jedi.
Yoda also realized that the Sith were new. Even if he killed Sidious at that point, the Jedi would have been seen as assassins and still hunted. With galaxy divided and pockets of separatists still active the galaxy would have been embroiled in dozens of conflicts with no clear right or wrong. Just chaos.
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Yoda also realized that the Sith were new. Even if he killed Sidious at that point, the Jedi would have been seen as assassins and still hunted. With galaxy divided and pockets of separatists still active the galaxy would have been embroiled in dozens of conflicts with no clear right or wrong. Just chaos.
Let's play what-if for a moment. With Sidious dead, he can't reach Mustafar. Assuming the other duel doesn't turn out differently, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin to die, and with only two (actually two dozen or so) Jedi left, the galaxy is left on the verge of collapse...but wait! We still have a Senate. What happens next?
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I always felt the Senate has a reach a point of complete hopelessness. While some senators aren't drinking the kool-aid Palpatine made, a good majority outright see the man as worthy of being Emperor and cheered at his declaration. At that point, I simply think that after all the deaths, the Republic would indeed cease to exist in short time. It was too corrupted and relied deeply on one man, ironically caused by the same man, and once he kicked the bucket, nobody would really know what the Hell to do since there was no one who had authority as much as Palpatine did and that's all they knew.
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Let's play what-if for a moment. With Sidious dead, he can't reach Mustafar. Assuming the other duel doesn't turn out differently, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin to die, and with only two (actually two dozen or so) Jedi left, the galaxy is left on the verge of collapse...but wait! We still have a Senate. What happens next?
I believe the result would be somewhat similar to the original vision for the Empire. A weak puppet Emperor (identity?) with people like Isard, Pestage and Tarkin pulling the strings. And Tarkin holding absolute power over the Galaxy could be even more frightening than what Palpatine did.
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That is a thought there, plus Thrawn wouldn't have been recruited, the EotH never born, the multitude of threats in unknown regions unleashed, then there's the Vongs eventual arrival into such a galaxy. Thank the Force Yoda lost that dual.
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I will say the EU also does a great job on expanding Anakin's growth as a hero. Like actually show his heroics and that he is a good person when you really get to know him and vice versa. It really helps make Old Ben's statements to Luke of Anakin of being a great man hold some merit to me personally.
Especially the Clone Wars TV show version...In my opinion since his voice didn't sound so...Filled with some hint of brooding and angst all the damn time, more like a friendly yet snarky guy who you really don't want to piss off unless you want to see his darker moments.
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I don't have a specific idea in mind, but I will reply to a couple of these.
I always felt the Senate has a reach a point of complete hopelessness. While some senators aren't drinking the kool-aid Palpatine made, a good majority outright see the man as worthy of being Emperor and cheered at his declaration. At that point, I simply think that after all the deaths, the Republic would indeed cease to exist in short time. It was too corrupted and relied deeply on one man, ironically caused by the same man, and once he kicked the bucket, nobody would really know what the Hell to do since there was no one who had authority as much as Palpatine did and that's all they knew.
And imagine what would happen to the Senate. All the power in the galaxy up for grabs...which leads us to...
I believe the result would be somewhat similar to the original vision for the Empire. A weak puppet Emperor (identity?) with people like Isard, Pestage and Tarkin pulling the strings. And Tarkin holding absolute power over the Galaxy could be even more frightening than what Palpatine did.
Nah, eventually Tarkin would just out-and-out take it. Assuming the Jedi didn't...ah, the Jedi. There's the rub: per Palpatine's design, there was no mechanism by which Order 66 could be rescinded. Even if a group of pro-Jedi Senators did succeed in seizing control, they would have to either rescind the order (impossible) or disband the GAR (practically impossible and inadvisable given that the CIS was still capable of causing trouble). We can perhaps take the moral high road in which the GAR disbands, the remaining Confederates are allowed to secede in peace, and the Jedi can come out of hiding, albeit very unpopular and minus the Temple. But then...That is a thought there, plus Thrawn wouldn't have been recruited, the EotH never born, the multitude of threats in unknown regions unleashed, then there's the Vongs eventual arrival into such a galaxy. Thank the Force Yoda lost that dual.
I'm not so sure about that. It would take some time for the galaxy to settle down, but whatever successor state might have found Thrawn. That's not something we can say for certain. It could also be possible that Thrawn discovers the threat, finds a sympathetic ear to tell, and the galaxy is not caught entirely by surprise by the Vong. More likely the Vong arrive in this state of chaos and...yeah. So yes, perhaps it did all work out for the best. On the other hand, maybe not.
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What I think about the Yoda/Sidious duel is that Yoda was beaten; but not physically. He was a broken man (er, alien) after sensing all those deaths in the Force. Could he have beaten Sidious? I believe he could have, but at what cost? How far would he have gone, might he have embraced the power of the Dark Side to defeat Palpatine, not to defeat an enemy, but simply as a blind act of revenge?
Yoda was beaten because his hands were tied. He couldn't become what was necessary to defeat Sidious without betraying everything he stood for.
I agree that this or something very similar is probably what Lucas wanted people to take away from it, but it's just poorly handled in the movie. The book recovers the fight's credibility nicely, though.
P.S. Agreed on Dooku's begging for his life being uncharacteristic for him.
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I agree that this or something very similar is probably what Lucas wanted people to take away from it, but it's just poorly handled in the movie. The book recovers the fight's credibility nicely, though.
P.S. Agreed on Dooku's begging for his life being uncharacteristic for him.
Well said
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OOC for Dooku, maybe, but consider. He's just gotten his butt handed to him by somebody he clearly underestimated. His master has just thrown him to the wolves. It's right about now that he's realizing he means nothing to Palps. Any other man would be praying for Jedi mercy and a trial (though they could easily execute him after parading him across Coruscant, which would be even more embarrassing). Maybe the movie wasn't so clear on that, either, but this is the situation that could rattle even a Sith Lord.
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The reason I considered it OOC was because Dooku wasn't just Sith, and I don't think even primarily Sith - he was an aristocrat, full of belief that he was a superior being by his very nature. A Sith in that situation actually is completely justified in begging for mercy if he's got any reason to think it'll work, since the dead lose any ability to again turn things to their advantage - as Bane said, glory is for the living; dead is dead. But as an aristocrat? Begging for mercy just felt... beneath him.
On the flip side, he'd probably never been in a situation before that he honestly expected to die in, and that kind of shock and fear could easily erode one's aristocratic demeanor, so... *shrugs*
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Not really sure if he'd be able to turn this to his advantage. Again, surrender probably results in being marched to Coruscant, tried, convicted, and probably summarily executed over the (possibly half-hearted) objections of the Jedi Council. It might have been him realizing that he's just caught 22. No matter what happened, he was screwed. And that's not a good feeling at all.
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Him begging just glew in the face of every action and manor he had before, from comics, books CWs and movies. When he might have died byYoda he was still cold and aarrogant, when mace snuck up on him and might have stabbed him on geonosis he was surprised but there wasn't any fear, a few times he had glimpses of Anakins power there was shock but truly to the core of him i feel Lee nailed it perfectly. When he's about to get it he is just SHOCKED, so shocked that despite his own power, influence, loyalty and potential he amounted to nothing more than a placeholder to be tossed aside. Much like he cconsidered those beneath him, i think that and the actual act of being bested by someone he hated and looked down on were foremost in his mind. You can even see a kind of broken acceptance in his eyes right before Anakin kills him, an almost- "I get it fully and know how this ends."
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Given everything the EU has shown about Dooku...Yeah, I say a surprised yet cold acceptance to his death is much more fitting than begging to be spared. I see Dooku as lot of things but spineless coward at the face of death ain't one of them.
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Sidious may have warped his morals, Anakin may have broken his body but there is one thing Dooku always kept, his Pride
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That seems like a rather hollow victory in light of things.
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That seems like a rather hollow victory in light of things.
Not really, after all, eventually they all died, so at least Dooku died as the man he lived as.
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Not really, after all, eventually they all died, so at least Dooku died as the man he lived as.
Agreed, he's also the only character to NOT scream like a pansy when his hands were cut off or milk it....Mace I'm looking at you here...
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Yhea Love Freekin Mace 'motherfucker' windu. (You know who's the actor behind so you should probably Know what the motherfucker mean...)
Even the Dark Knigth in The monty phython of the holly grail is not match for him ! (Do your emeber when he get cut his arms and legs and survive...)
But he scream when sidious thraw his ligthning ! (Remember Revan against Vitiate how painfull it his....)
What you have to keep in mind is Anakin more oppen than the other Jedi.. The Jedi are alway we clean the job we just help in diplomacy don't care about politics.. And Anakin care about it he want a better world the perfect system !!! He doubt on the Jedi code from his childhood.... If you read
This :
http://www.images-booknode.com/book_cover/286/star-wars,-la-guerre-des-etoiles---les-apprentis-jedi,-edition-speciale---les-disciples-noirs-285762-250-400.jpg
And the other special edition... Anakin is pretty isolated he got no friends.. Obiwan have friend in his childhood... But Anakin keep isolated at expermient and build mechanics things.... The link between Obiwan and Anakin is weird...
After palpatine tell him and Jedi doesn't care about them self.. Errr actually yess they does !!!
Look at this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUrWyPJqeSk
Their is also the incident with this mother (I think that's sidious sending him those visions...) he swear that's he will be able to to protect anyone... Preventing them fro dieing..... (But you know plagueis the wise where wise and he where able to choose wisly who need to leav or die because you can't do this..)
Anakin cannot accept death... Exept for his ennemies...
So he really doubt about Jedi and begin to think siths are no so bad after all.... Jedis tell me don't fall to teh dark side etc etc all my life.. But they where wrong !!!
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Agreed, he's also the only character to NOT scream like a pansy when his hands were cut off or milk it....Mace I'm looking at you here...
Ah, dignity. When you have nothing else left, you can at least say you didn't go out like a small child.
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Agreed, he's also the only character to NOT scream like a pansy when his hands were cut off or milk it....Mace I'm looking at you here...
God I hated that. At least Luke's scream when he lost his hand felt natural, a short scream due to the sudden pain. Windu? He screams long enough that he has to take a breath and start screaming again.
Seriously, he made it through the ass-kicking he took in Shatterpoint without screaming...
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Maybe he finally lost his emotional control (and falling to your death is as good a time as any to rethink the Jedi code). Or more likely it was typical Samuel L. Jackson ham and cheese.
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Personaly I love star war with all the mistakes...
The Stortroopers let escape the rebels in the death star to lead the empire at the rebel base... But they become popular to bee great noob and that's why they were surrounded by Ewoks.... (I always find the battle between gungan and CSI more logical, the tactics of boths sides where more logicals and gungans were defeated... If you don't look at JarJar....)
I hate ewoks personaly.... But but in Galatique battle ground you can unlock ewoks with a cheat code, they have shield they are undestrible super fast have super range super power OP and the description is hilarous !!!!!!
In FoC they are kamikaze... And in a mod named super star war of EaW you can build simons from battle ground galactica, une squad of 3 = 1800 and they are totaly OP XDXDXDXD Hilarous joke and references to SW universe....
With windu I j=live the fact of being super warriored... O.K Jango fett V.S windu the most bad ass bounty hunter of all the time windu have no chance... Round 1 figth K.O Mace win Fatality.
Well if you don't love the fact than Jango Fett Die without showing all his abilities... You cannot Rewrite the moovie.... So....
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There's the rub: per Palpatine's design, there was no mechanism by which Order 66 could be rescinded. Even if a group of pro-Jedi Senators did succeed in seizing control, they would have to either rescind the order (impossible) or disband the GAR (practically impossible and inadvisable given that the CIS was still capable of causing trouble). We can perhaps take the moral high road in which the GAR disbands, the remaining Confederates are allowed to secede in peace, and the Jedi can come out of hiding, albeit very unpopular and minus the Temple. But then...
It really depends on what's in the other 145 Orders that we don't have any information on. Bearing in mind the obvious attention paid to the use and transfer of power it seems logical that there might be some subsection giving an interim Chancellor the authority to rescind or reverse actions taken by the previous post-holder. There's also the possibility that the Jedi Council may have had some level of authority or influence around declaring the Chancellor unfit for duty or identifying him as a traitor and any related Orders/protocols.
If Yoda had succeeded in defeating Palpatine in the Senate Chamber and could provide evidence that Palpatine had been a threat/traitor to the Republic then you might have a temporary deadlock. Order 4 would have taken effect transferring control of the GAR to Mas Amedda in his role as Vice Chair of the Senate, but you'd have two conflicting messages - the Jedi are traitors and have assassinated the Chancellor, but the Jedi were acting on information that the Chancellor was a Sith Lord and his orchestration of both sides of the war made him a traitor to the Republic.
Although Amedda was obviously aligned with Palpatine did he have sufficient support, charisma and ambition to try and continue implementing Palpatine's plan? Could he have been pressured into rescinding Order 66 pending a full investigation? With Vader off killing the Separatist leaders on Mustafar and shutting down the droid armies the war would also come to a sudden and unexpected end generating even more confusion in the Senate.
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Yhea palpatine posses a mind control... You know.. "Palpatine is taking power enormous pwoer that's strange..." "We can fell the dark side from the senate..."
Exept Yoda is very old.... He god difficulties to walk without using the force (remeber the end in Metal Gear... He Run very fast etc... But need to sleep)
Using Ataru against palpatine to brek him down the most quickly as he can, I mean before he get tired.. Wasn't a good idea... Because It was so usless.. Palpatine is using his emotions to hide is real intentions, he let him be guided by is emetions but stay in control.... So Yoda couldn't break his defense.....
Sidious make physichals economies....
Amedda were plapatine's toy like many non-human... In the past he try to use this naïve palpatine before discovering the sith lord behind it and be seducced by the character.... He just follow blindy palpatine is intelligent clever.. But Sidious is more... So...
The Jedi have already being executed.. Yoda figth Palpatine after order 66 and the proclamations of a new galactic empire !!!
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It really depends on what's in the other 145 Orders that we don't have any information on. Bearing in mind the obvious attention paid to the use and transfer of power it seems logical that there might be some subsection giving an interim Chancellor the authority to rescind or reverse actions taken by the previous post-holder. There's also the possibility that the Jedi Council may have had some level of authority or influence around declaring the Chancellor unfit for duty or identifying him as a traitor and any related Orders/protocols.
If Yoda had succeeded in defeating Palpatine in the Senate Chamber and could provide evidence that Palpatine had been a threat/traitor to the Republic then you might have a temporary deadlock. Order 4 would have taken effect transferring control of the GAR to Mas Amedda in his role as Vice Chair of the Senate, but you'd have two conflicting messages - the Jedi are traitors and have assassinated the Chancellor, but the Jedi were acting on information that the Chancellor was a Sith Lord and his orchestration of both sides of the war made him a traitor to the Republic.
Although Amedda was obviously aligned with Palpatine did he have sufficient support, charisma and ambition to try and continue implementing Palpatine's plan? Could he have been pressured into rescinding Order 66 pending a full investigation? With Vader off killing the Separatist leaders on Mustafar and shutting down the droid armies the war would also come to a sudden and unexpected end generating even more confusion in the Senate.
Some real nice analysis here :).
The Jedi could still be in equally bad situation even with Sidious dead. Look at it this way: First the Jedi led by Mace Windu try to seize power and assassinate the good chancellor Palpatine but fail, only for Master Yoda to brutally murder him, in the Senate of all places, just days later. Then the public would learn that the heroic Anakin Skywalker single-handedly ended the war on Mustafar, only to end up dead himself together with his pregnant wife by the hand of the traitor General Kenobi. That's some seriously bad PR for the Jedi Order.
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There is yoda windu is dead + 3 or 4 Jedi master in the council....
Many Jedi where killed... The Jedi are quasi extinted....
An opposition... eeeeerrrrr in term of opinion.. They have assassinat eteh chancelor fore their pseudo pacifist idelogy, and try to acheieve what they think is good by taking the power and spread their greater good... (That's the idea of the Jedi scend by palpatine....), even if the real Jedi's thinking is : Let's politic do their shit we are here to clean after...
But if Yoda is defeated that's mean Kenobi is defeated (it's very complicate to explain but there is only one than can die it's the force will... The probably is to high to be denied)
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It really depends on what's in the other 145 Orders that we don't have any information on. Bearing in mind the obvious attention paid to the use and transfer of power it seems logical that there might be some subsection giving an interim Chancellor the authority to rescind or reverse actions taken by the previous post-holder. There's also the possibility that the Jedi Council may have had some level of authority or influence around declaring the Chancellor unfit for duty or identifying him as a traitor and any related Orders/protocols.
Possible, but I've the feeling Palps wouldn't do that because he had no intention of dying. Of course somebody may have taken a peek over his shoulder, so maybe he included it to throw off suspicion?
The Jedi could still be in equally bad situation even with Sidious dead. Look at it this way: First the Jedi led by Mace Windu try to seize power and assassinate the good chancellor Palpatine but fail, only for Master Yoda to brutally murder him, in the Senate of all places, just days later. Then the public would learn that the heroic Anakin Skywalker single-handedly ended the war on Mustafar, only to end up dead himself together with his pregnant wife by the hand of the traitor General Kenobi. That's some seriously bad PR for the Jedi Order.
In such a case the first thing you do is gather evidence that Palpatine was a Sith and allow somebody with standing in the Senate (Organa, for example) to present said evidence, while bringing Kenobi and Yoda to testify as to what exactly a Sith is and what really happened. If nothing else they can reduce the threat, if not eliminate it altogether. Of course they might end up kicked off Coruscant, in which case where would they go? Most of their other hideouts (Dantooine, Ossus, Telos, Tython) have fallen into disrepair.
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At that point, I think Bail and many others were kind of treading in hot coals in their standings in the senate and any one of them could easily have been accused of treason in my view. Hell, at that point, he's part of minority of senators who did notice something was wrong and was willing to speak out against it...And yet even at one point Padme says Bail was acting like a Separatist would when he made it clear how he felt the Republic is going.
I guess it's like use him or anyone willing to listen to Yoda and Obi-Wan...And expect some sort of backlash coming from Palpatine loyalists (aka a majority of the dumbass galaxy that would soon learn they just doomed everything) that could either destroy their career or at worst...Suddenly be killed and be accused of starting a rebellion of sorts.
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The senate is massivly under sidious dead....
That's mean many senator have been brainswah to stay loyal to Palpatine... They will be free to think by them self.. But they won't be ho now I'm clean of this brainwash.. They still believe in what palpatine write in their mind....
Sooooo The senate will be difficulte to convice.... And Remeber the Jedi are weaken... And if Yoda defeat Sidious why Anakin doesn't be able to beat Anakin????
When palpatine proclame the fall of the republic the majority of the senate says : "Yes" and cheers !!!! The opposants were minors.... Not only because the Jedi try to assassinate him....
The new galactic empire is already created. The Jedi are already considered as traitors.... So it will hard for the opposents to create a moral oppositions..
It will be quicly turned into a Galactic civil war...
Like it was after plapatine but earlier against a weaker empire !
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We are missing the true issue here...why are there no HUTT clone troopers? I blame speciesism. Resistant to Force and energy weapons, long lived and adaptable and cclearly intelligent. I want to see a GAR of Hutt clone troopers in a what if scenario!
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Because they are too slow XD !!!!!
Go legion of hutt cap the point !!! Ar The rebel are already at 30KM We are at 100 metters we will never gets there XD !!!
And Palpatine is racist....
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We are missing the true issue here...why are there no HUTT clone troopers? I blame speciesism. Resistant to Force and energy weapons, long lived and adaptable and cclearly intelligent. I want to see a GAR of Hutt clone troopers in a what if scenario!
Heh, that would be impressive.
Unless for some reason, they suffer the same reason why a Yinchorri, no matter how much Darth Plagueis tried, Clone Army doesn't fly...It just won't happen to their DNA or some excuse like that...Or you could argue the force is being rather pissy and screws any attempts for species other than humans to be cloned.
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A unit of Hutts wouldn't work alongside the GAR. They're too slow to travel on foot and probably too heavy to have more than two or three in a gunship. The entire army would have to be redesigned. Why not just have a Wookiee troop instead? Loyal to a fault, capable fighters up close or at a distance, and all you'd have to do is resize uniforms. Plus, Wookiees are just badass.
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Heh, that would be impressive.
Unless for some reason, they suffer the same reason why a Yinchorri, no matter how much Darth Plagueis tried, Clone Army doesn't fly...It just won't happen to their DNA or some excuse like that...Or you could argue the force is being rather pissy and screws any attempts for species other than humans to be cloned.
Well it takes like about a hundred years for a Hutt to reach adulthood. So it would take ages to grow a Hutt clone army, even if growth acceleration was achieved. I believe Wookiees would have similar issues. It would be a nightmare to commit to the upkeep of millions of hungry adolescent Hutts with extravagant tastes for decades. Besides, which Hutt would become the prime clone?
I do like the story potential of thousands of Hutts suffering from clone madness wandering around the Galaxy. Could have been a terrible yet funny Bantam-era book.
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Begun...the Hutt Wars have...hmmm yes. Wish i could see that. Maybe a Huttese Jedi Knight or Bounty Hunter just for amusements sake...
As to prime clone...Jabba's dad? He had a beard....so...he's superior in the facial hair area at least.
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I do recall there was a Hutt Jedi...Who apparently went to the dark side, ruled a planet, Jedi Order completely forgets his existence...And many years later got beaten by Leia who at the time was a very mediocre Jedi (as in before she devoted her training) and still engaged in politics thanks to years of laziness it seems.
...We need a better Hutt Jedi.
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Wookies need to eat a lot..
Chiss at the last limits but chiss won't be able to serve the empire if they are not treated correctly....
You Know when you have powerfull artiellery very precise long range etc... Infantrry became useless.... So useless...
XD Yhea have you seen an hutt using a ligth saber? Big body small arm.. And be force resistant do not mean be powerfull in the force.... (Like the tau who are resistant to chaos but don't able of psychic power....)
And palpatine is racist doesn't hire non human often....
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What about ewoks their smaller and proberly eat less and as their smaller and intelligent enough to use weapons and speeders their uniform would be cheaper being smaller that could be a good army.
Also people would get confused seeing a cute teddy bear pointing a rifle at their head.
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That would be hilarious. You'd be very reliant on gunships because they can't run very quickly, but just imagine Ewoks behind a T-21. I'd die just from laughing!
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Yhea ewoks in real are crap bt because they defeat the empire thgey are totaly O.P in all game (exept in battle front hopefully that's make me smiel to shot their face with storm troopers....)
Ewoks sucks but.... In battle ground they are OP....
But come back to the main topic with this video...
http://boards.plus4chan.org/pco/t162092.html
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I do recall there was a Hutt Jedi...Who apparently went to the dark side, ruled a planet, Jedi Order completely forgets his existence...And many years later got beaten by Leia who at the time was a very mediocre Jedi (as in before she devoted her training) and still engaged in politics thanks to years of laziness it seems.
...We need a better Hutt Jedi.
Beldorion the Hutt.
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Ooooopppppss did y copy a bad porn link???? Eerr sorry cannot edit I'm just a guest.....
I want to post that :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDvZUn2HfPw&list=PLCA0D920780F71349
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Beldorion the Hutt.
Yeah, that's him.
...Funny how he's the only known Hutt Jedi....So far.
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I'm just a guest.....
You can change that by registering.
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Seriously, dude. It takes like fifteen seconds. Also, a 4chan link is usually not good to post. Safe or not, it's 4chan.
On topic, however, we debated what would happen if Sidious were taken down. Let's take another what-if, and that is what if Anakin had died before Sidious arrived. That can be accomplished in one of two plausible ways: Anakin burns to death, or Obi's slash actually finishes him instead of taking off three limbs. The Emperor lives, but his top enforcer is gone. (This, of course, requires the massive step that Anakin is not the Chosen One. Maybe Luke is instead?) So, now what?
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That's a bit an ankward position.. But I don't have the physical ability as a guess and not a member to edit....
And I created this topic.... It was about the EU...What Eu have great...
And I think.. we should refocus on that...
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Seriously, dude. It takes like fifteen seconds. Also, a 4chan link is usually not good to post. Safe or not, it's 4chan.
On topic, however, we debated what would happen if Sidious were taken down. Let's take another what-if, and that is what if Anakin had died before Sidious arrived. That can be accomplished in one of two plausible ways: Anakin burns to death, or Obi's slash actually finishes him instead of taking off three limbs. The Emperor lives, but his top enforcer is gone. (This, of course, requires the massive step that Anakin is not the Chosen One. Maybe Luke is instead?) So, now what?
I don't think it would change the big picture that much. There are other ways to deal with fugitive Jedi, and from a philosophical standpoint Sidious was past the Rule of Two. He wouldn't be in a hurry to find an apprentice, instead waiting for the right one to appear. Maybe the Inquisitors would become a stronger institution and the Rebels could be more powerful without Vader around to choke them to death one by one.
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He could pick from the veritable litter of Dark Jedi adepts and Inquisitors but I'd bet on him taking Jerec as a Sith apprentice if Vader was out of the picture, well him or Sedriss.
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I see turning Anakin as more of a bonus for Palpatine and while he would feel a tad cheated of losing Vader, he would quickly move on since he still won after all.
Jerec (of his strength and knowledge) and Sedriss (basically a crazy strong but loyal brute) are potential candidates for sure.
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EEEErr did some moderator CAN correct my behavior???
And yhea we really love Jerec !
And a question about him.. Why is he with the pentastar alignement in the game?
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And yhea we really love Jerec !
And a question about him.. Why is he with the pentastar alignement in the game?
Jerec is my favorite Dark Jedi. He's with the PA because Kaine was his main financial backer and bankrolled Jerec's quest for the Valley of the Jedi. Jerec also swore fealty to the PA(as well as to the reborn Emperor on Byss and the Prophets of the Dark Side) butjust used tgem for his own ends as he was only loyal to himself. Jerec served in the PAs version of the Inquisitorus as a great Inquestor of Judgement and brought a lot of former Inquisitors and Dark Side adepts to the PA.
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I just love how everyone conveniently forgets about Starkiller, because no one likes him anyway. :D
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Eh, Starkiller to me is an okay character. Although the whole being a founder (or at least a major part of the founding) of the Rebels is quite the stretch, I did think he had a solid story.
...Only issue is that most people out there now think he's the most powerful force user bar none without really looking into the details and circumstances. I do say he's up there but he's no Luke or Palpatine with the way he is (maybe at full potential with actual decent training that doesn't involve life or death situations such as Yoda) at the moment. As a pure duelist, he's alright at best.
Also, like Ahsoka...I grew to loath the reverse hand grip they use on their lightsabers.
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Also, like Ahsoka...I grew to loath the reverse hand grip they use on their lightsabers.
Trust me, you're not alone. Not to mention hands-behind-your-back reverse hand grip. That kind of thing only works if you are Roy Jones Jr. and neither Ahsoka nor Starkiller are that talented.
EDIT: Krayt was reverse grip user as well. I thought that a sith lord would have known better. Guess not.
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Good point on Starkiller. If he is found and doesn't turn, he's probably even better than Vader. Remember that the guy curbstomps Vader twice. And Shaak Ti. Palps didn't know what he was missing.
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That's a bit an ankward position.. But I don't have the physical ability as a guess and not a member to edit....
Again... if you register (click the register button in the bar just below the forum logo at the top of the page, follow the instructions), then you will be able to edit your own posts without needing to bother the team here to do it for you. It's very, very easy. Also, I would recommend never, ever wasting your time by visiting 4chan.
If Vader had died... I suspect Palpatine would have rather quickly picked someone else to serve as his enforcer/apprentice/scapegoat. Vader's utility wasn't just in Jedi killing, but in having a highly visible symbol of Imperial might and fear that is not Palpatine himself. Palps I think preferred to present himself to Imperial citizens as being this quasi-mystical, near-perfect leader who managed to hold the galaxy together through its time of chaos and, while willing to do what needs to be done, regrets the lengths to which he must go. To sell this deception, he'd need someone else for the people to focus their negative thoughts regarding the regime toward - Vader. Vader kills this person, Vader kills that person, Vader exterminates this town... but Palpatine is above all that, aloof, using Vader only because he must to do what needs to be done to keep the galaxy safe and secure. I think having someone to fill this role would've been incredibly useful to him, and that he'd have tried to fill it fairly quickly - in the movies, he ALWAYS has someone else playing the antagonist role for him, whether it's the Trade Federation, Dooku, Vader or Tarkin.
P.S. I actually liked the Starkiller storyline (at least from the first game). I rather enjoyed the idea that he helped create the rebellion (you've even got all the Corellian Treaty members present), and it helped explain why the Alliance to Restore the Republic would choose a Jedi symbol rather than one directly associated with the old Republic govt. (though the need to distinguish one cog from another also does it).
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I will say, Force Unleashed did introduce one character I like, Rahm Kota.
...And I'm very annoyed Clone Wars didn't use him and his overall attitude towards clones...It would make a very interesting episode.
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I will say, Force Unleashed did introduce one character I like, Rahm Kota.
...And I'm very annoyed Clone Wars didn't use him and his overall attitude towards clones...It would make a very interesting episode.
Only 3 jedi ever had my respect and even admiration. Obi Wan, Kyle Katarn and Rahm Kota
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Only 3 jedi ever had my respect and even admiration. Obi Wan, Kyle Katarn and Rahm Kota
Fear the beard!
I largely despise the celibate monk Jedi of the prequel trilogy, but loved the Samurai Jedi of John Ostrander in the Republic and Legacy comics; Tholme, Wolf Sazen, Shado Vao and others.
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Fear the beard!
I largely despise the celibate monk Jedi of the prequel trilogy, but loved the Samurai Jedi of John Ostrander in the Republic and Legacy comics; Tholme, Wolf Sazen, Shado Vao and others.
The beard is powerful indeed!
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Fear the beard!
I largely despise the celibate monk Jedi of the prequel trilogy, but loved the Samurai Jedi of John Ostrander in the Republic and Legacy comics; Tholme, Wolf Sazen, Shado Vao and others.
Agreed with this. Hate the "stereotypical" Jedi as portrayed in the prequals.
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I dislike the Jedi Order as portrayed in the prequels. That said, more than a few really strong ones have emerged, and I actually admire those who are able to achieve that inner calm. It's not the Jedi themselves, although I never did like the dogma-quoting drones in any era (*cough* Bastila *cough*). Rather, it's the Order itself. Seems too...goody-goody. And restrictive. Jedi can, and should, be a bit looser while still remaining tied to the light side.
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I like the concept of Dark Jedi they have all the force powers they use them for their own means but don't have cult mentality like Sith and average Jedi. You could argue a Dark Jedi has the most open view.
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Yhea Kota such great general gave one good figther to thrawn Revan or mandalor the ultimate, and then the eclipse to Kota... Kota loose by fatality !
I mean such incompetent compare to Revan mandalore the utimate or thrawn... Or even cassus fett...
They want to introduce starkiller as an interesting character who never seen the ligth of the civilian life.. Who only know vader training.. Such undevlopped...
His training droïd cappable of betraying him at any moment and his best friend... Undevlopped.
Juno Eclipse, an imperial officer and a woman, interesting but undevlopped...
Next gen so...
Also Galen marek is an assassin.. So assassin = Infiltration etc using stealh force power... and nope....
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...And I'm very annoyed Clone Wars didn't use Kota and his overall attitude towards clones...It would make a very interesting episode.
You know, that would've been good to see. Sample plot: Kota's in some deep trouble, so the higher-ups send him reinforcements...another Jedi or two, with clones. Basically make him confront his mistruist head on. They so missed a good setup.
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Oh good grief, it appears Palpatine finally has his first name revealed by rumors involving the Tarkin novel and if its true this is gonna be canon.
...Sheev.
Sheev Palpatine...Somewhere in my head, I am both laughing and crying over this name.
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Sheev Palpatine, aka Darth Sidious. Hmmm...well, at least one of the new writers has a sense of humor. The second most unfortunate name for a Sith Lord. Anyone hear of a certain Alex Squinquargesimus?
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Oh good grief, it appears Palpatine finally has his first name revealed by rumors involving the Tarkin novel and if its true this is gonna be canon.
...Sheev.
Sheev Palpatine...Somewhere in my head, I am both laughing and crying over this name.
Explains why he became a Sith.
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So apparently the Sheev came all the way up from Lucas/Story Group.
"I haven’t rejected the dynasty I was born into. I’ve rejected the name I was given." -Palpatine in Darth Plagueis.
You have to wonder if Luceno already knew that Palpatine had a horrible first name when writing Plagueis and decided to leave a subtle hint there.
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Either way I certainly can't fault Palpatine or Luceno for rejecting that first name lol
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Heck, I know I would. I again cite the example of a certain Sith Lord from long ago. The trouble with Palps is that he gets his embarrassing name on the back end of the reboot. In other words, he's stuck with it. (For at least 35 years, anyway.)
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What do you think to the futur canon story line name "Shadow of Revan?"
I love Revan and I really glad he return.. But why the empire and the republic join them against him???? It's tempting to have Revan on your side, I think the react will be to accept some Revans ofers and try to use Revan against each others. I found that's weird but I find awnser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOMXGeSNG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7szur1TFre8
Ha miss that's after the anonce of the Revan return.
I'm chearching an audio document where the empire talk about the reborn of Revan when they learn that' Revan hold the foundry...
Brief I cannot find it But.. It say that's the sith don't believe that's Revan After the destruction of their empire won't let the republic in peace because this "false emperore" stay and will stay a sith.
Secondary Revan do not trust anyone.
And finaly The sith are in fact using the republic ! They are not really allied !
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Well, it's hard to say where this fits in. It's obviously not in Disney canon, and if I recall correctly there aren't going to be any additions to Legends (although TOR might get an exception).
The more I think about it, that's my issue with Disney. If they want to reboot the franchise, then fine. If they want to have "their own Star Wars", then fine. But to force every future work to fit into their vision? That's wrong. Writers should at least have the option to stamp their work as Legends material. Disney-canon material should be incorporated into Legends as it fits--Palpatine's first name, for one, in no way contradicts any old material, so why not let him be Sheev in both timelines? Let the fans have their Star Wars too--whichever one, or combination of the two, they want.
Now, to Revan...he just won't die, will he? We go from light to dark back to light and then apparently back to dark...and I presume a Republic storyline will eventually end with the man twice fallen and twice redeemed. And of course they have to force an enemy-mine situation between them and the Sith...well, suffice it to say this is going to be an absolutely crucial storyline for BioWare.
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Yhea fuck Disney Revan is holded by Bioware ! Fuck dinsey fuck disney all together !!! Com on !!!!!!!!!!
No seriously...
It's possible than Revan is posseded by Vitiate or Vitiate try to use Revan appareance, you Know Vitiate is a master of illusion and peharps he didn't die... They are many theories about this...
So at first the theroy of the reincarnation seam totaly... Wrong, because of Revan psychal resistance (it was say many time it was revan weakness but Know it have been prooved that the mental resistance is a point where Revan excel...) but if he still alive.. Why he don't take another body??
The theory is he use Revan body, some kind of clone (remeber starkiller) and with the connexion to Revan mind weaken in this clone (I believe the clone is not an empty shell) to control it But with his appareance it's more easy to him to take contrl of the Revanite more than on the empire... The war has been go down since his "death" the sith are more and more desogarnize each weak pass... He need something to regave intensity to the war !!!
It's only a theroy I'm not sure.. But the red eyes... Remeber someone where abusing of Revan Identity...