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September 01, 2008, 11:39:51 AM

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Obama (please read this thread before assumptions of this thread)
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:39:51 AM »
Please watch this video. These are all facts, I hope that this will cause some of you to rethink your opinions. The connections that Obama has are very suspicious and also made me think. Please note that I support neither McCain or Obama.


http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
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September 01, 2008, 12:38:17 PMReply #1

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 12:38:17 PM »
connections- you mean that rezko guy and religious nut?

September 01, 2008, 07:36:01 PMReply #2

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 07:36:01 PM »
Here's my take on that video, and its "facts".  For some of my points, remember im speaking as a non-american.

1]  What is it with people and their obsession with Obama's name?  Would it make him any more/less electable if he were called Harry Potter, Bill Gates, or Jesus Christ?

2]  Obama is a Christian, the fact that one of his parents is Muslim, and as a young child he attended an Islamic school doesnt change that.  In fact, that he is knowledgeable in Islam could be beneficial, what with all the furore about Islam, etc.  Also, since America has no official religion, and freedom to practice any religion is enshrined in the Constitution, i dont see what difference it would make if he were Muslim.

3]  The not-wearing a US flag pin is a complete non-entity.  Does not wearing it make him "less patriotic"?  People say he is "indoctrinated" by Rev. Wright against America, i say America is indoctrinated to a false belief in its own importance.  Also, im sure those "home grown" terrorists that are starting to be mentioned in the news all wear said pin in public, it doesnt stop them wanting to attack their country..

4]  Not saluting the flag is again, in my opinion, a non-entity.  The obsession with saluting the flag strikes me as particularly odd in a nation defined by freedom and liberty, surely being forced to recite the pledge of allegiance and salute the flag is a limitation of the people's freedom?

5]  Obama's 20 years of attendance at the United Trinity Church of Christ show his religious beliefs (denying those who claim he is Muslim), and doesnt necessarily mean he agrees with Rev. Wright's politically agitative sermons.  I mean, do you always agree with the people who lecture to you (teachers, religious leaders, etc)?

6]  Michelle Obama's statement doesnt mean she doesnt love her country, rather i think she's referring to the historic significance of Barack's campaign, as the first successful Black Presidential nominee.  Also, how many people can truly say they are 100% proud of their country, and what it does?

7]  Those clips from Rev. Wright's sermons show only a tiny glimpse of his teaching (most would probably be perfectly suited to any other church across America, and the world), and personally i think the "God damn America" statement was more aimed at making a point (that America, and the US government isnt perfect) than actually trying to incense hatred, etc.

8]  What is wrong with National Healthcare?  Ensuring that everyone has equal access to good healthcare is surely included within the remit of government, as part of the "general welfare of the United States" (mentioned in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution)?  Paying slightly higher taxes to ensure the health of you, your family and your fellow citizens is surely reasonable?  And it would remove the need for such expensive health insurance (which many millions are unable to afford).

9]  Welfare is a major aspect of what the government is for, to provide for those in need, for those to whom circumstances have been unkind.  At the moment the US has the highest poverty levels of all industrialised nations, yet Americans claim it to be the richest, most powerful nation in the world?

10]  I wont argue Gun Control here, but i dont believe the Second Amendment enshrines the right for citizens to own and carry a firearm, so gun control is actually legal, and (in my opinion) desirable.

11]  Talking to terrorist groups isnt necessarily a bad thing.  Diplomacy is a more powerful weapon than the armed forces.  As such, talking to them could be a way forward towards a peaceful future.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2008, 07:44:29 PM by Slornie »
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why do u hate america? if it were not for us u guys would be lost. i mean we invented the tv, we invented the internet, cars and we even went to the planet moon. we won all the wars and we always help the little countries who cant fight and we give food to poor people.

September 01, 2008, 07:55:47 PMReply #3

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 07:55:47 PM »
i agree with everything you just said.
the problem with the USA is it's filled with bigots who hate Obama because he's not republican
(no offence meant)
the worst of this obama paranoia was when obama and his wife bumped fists together and people thought it was a terrorist thing.
one tabloid called it "Hezbollah hand-slapping."
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September 01, 2008, 07:57:03 PMReply #4

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 07:57:03 PM »
That was a long post Slornie. but personally, i think McCAin and Obama both have their goods and bads. i would rather have McCain lead the US because i dont trust Obama with Iraq. if the war is over by the next election, I think Obama may be better suited for the job. But during war, McCain all the way

September 01, 2008, 08:00:33 PMReply #5

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 08:00:33 PM »
the problem with mccain is that he is simply another Bush. he claims to be a war hero, but what did he do? get made a POW for half the war. he's a veteran. not a hero.
also, even if he was a war hero, that does nothing but make you electable. it isn't a true sign of political ability.

September 01, 2008, 08:10:30 PMReply #6

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 08:10:30 PM »
Also with McCain, his policies will put us more indebt than ever before.
And just drilling for more oil will make OPEC increase the prices on oil making gas prices go up, while Obama's could decrease/stabilise the price.
And McCain being a war hero?  I'd barely even call him a veteran.  He was a crappy pilot and got treated very well by those commie bastards because he'd give them information.
But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility.
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September 01, 2008, 08:11:44 PMReply #7

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 08:11:44 PM »
he crashed his plane and got caught. that's the end of his vietnam experience.

September 01, 2008, 08:21:19 PMReply #8

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 08:21:19 PM »
Which doesn't really count as "war experience"
But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility.
Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning.
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September 01, 2008, 09:35:13 PMReply #9

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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2008, 09:35:13 PM »
Getting captured by the enemy and being tortured is more war experience then he needs.  For you guys to sit there and claim hes hardly a veteran is just sickening, before you can say that why dont you go spend a couple years in a communist prison camp?  He and the rest of the pows are more veterans than anyone else.
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September 01, 2008, 09:49:26 PMReply #10

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2008, 09:49:26 PM »
Torture?  Hardly.  not from what my dad said, who was also in Vietnam.
But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility.
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September 01, 2008, 10:52:30 PMReply #11

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 10:52:30 PM »
He was subject to beatings several times per day, i'd call that torture
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September 02, 2008, 01:11:32 AMReply #12

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2008, 01:11:32 AM »
the same thing americans do in Guantanamo. but on topic. personally I prefer Obama. McCain is only going to be a puppet for Bush. And Obama is going to bring american forces out of Iraq. I think that alone makes him way better than his opponent who wishes to continue something that is completely futile.
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September 02, 2008, 02:41:15 AMReply #13

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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2008, 02:41:15 AM »
in the end it doesnt matter what non-americans think (no offense meant to you guys you guys have valid and acceptable points and good ideas and i know he asked for all opinions) the fact is that whether or not McCain is a war hero or not is not for you to decide, sure your dad says he was treated good...but does your dad's opinion matter in the long run? not really, no offense meant to your father i am speaking on basic principles here, the fact is we have two men running for an office, two MEN and i stress that fact because human can be perfect and the way you can say one man is not a war hero or not doesnt matter, the end fact is you choose one or the other for personal reasons and you alone control your vote. it doesn't really do anything to spread around your opinions no matter what they are.

September 02, 2008, 04:49:15 AMReply #14

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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2008, 04:49:15 AM »
Getting captured by the enemy and being tortured is more war experience then he needs.  For you guys to sit there and claim hes hardly a veteran is just sickening, before you can say that why dont you go spend a couple years in a communist prison camp?  He and the rest of the pows are more veterans than anyone else.
being tortured doesn't make you a hero.
i didn't say he's hardly a veteran. he's definitely a veteran, but not a war hero.
and war experience is not political experience.
i believe john mccain said he would stay in Iraq for 100 years if that's what it took. That alone is enough to make him a bad choice.

Junot, we're all entitled to opinions.
all i'll say is Mccain wouldn't get elected in any country other than the USA. In polls, only 15% of the UK would vote for Mccain. and international relations is an important thing. we may not vote, but it indirectly affects us. For example, under  Blair, he pretty much sucked up to Bush. this led to us going into Iraq, amongst other things.

and just a passing comment, do you control your vote? the last time i checked, the electoral college just votes who they want, regardless of voting. e.g. 2000.
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September 02, 2008, 09:00:41 AMReply #15

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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 09:00:41 AM »
It's just my opinion of McCain and all, but some of my Dad's friends who came out of Commie captivity do not look nearly as good as McCain does and they're only in their mid-fifties.  Now if you want McCain in office, that's fine, you'll regret it in about 2-3 weeks.
But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility.
Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning.
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September 02, 2008, 10:13:58 AMReply #16

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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 10:13:58 AM »
It's just my opinion of McCain and all, but some of my Dad's friends who came out of Commie captivity do not look nearly as good as McCain does and they're only in their mid-fifties.  Now if you want McCain in office, that's fine, you'll regret it in about 2-3 weeks.
well, Mccain is unable to lift his own arms above his head.

September 02, 2008, 11:15:56 AMReply #17

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 11:15:56 AM »
I'm not saying he didn't get tortured, just not nearly as bad as he makes it out to be.
But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility.
Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning.
In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine.
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September 02, 2008, 03:42:37 PMReply #18

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 03:42:37 PM »
He doesnt make it out to be anything, unlike what others do he doesn't use that as his basis, he uses being in captivity a useful bonus
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September 02, 2008, 04:00:05 PMReply #19

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 04:00:05 PM »
i don't see what being in captivity has to do with politics.
it's the media who allude to all the "war hero " and captivity more than mccain, although i haven't seen much of mccain's speeches.
however, what i have heard from the past is a bit worrying seeing he may be the next president.
a few years ago on the radio, he was asked "what is your opinion on Iran?
to respond he sung "bomb Iran" to the tune of "barbara ann by the beach Boys.
he's also told a new mexico senator to fuck off for criticising one of his policies.

 

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