Obama (please read this thread before assumptions of this thread)

[GrndAdmrlPellaeon]

Being in captivity and fighting a war gives you experience. He knows what it feels like to be a warrior and to be captured. Also, were you or your dad with McCain at all in Vietnam? Also as I said earlier I do not support McCain or Obama, he would change his opinion to get 1 vote in an instant, if he could.

Have you ever been to Guantanamo? How do you know what happens there? Not that I know (because you could be right) just don't make such accusations about other people's countries.

Finally, it is a fact that Obama's budget increase is 60% larger than any other President before.

[vadereclipse]

Being in captivity and fighting a war gives you experience. He knows what it feels like to be a warrior and to be captured.

it doesn't mean anything politically. it makes you electable, but that's it. and only in the USA.

[siegfried1]

Can i hear your reasoning Scarecrow as to why you support McCain, because, i want to hear this.  And don't give me the "Obama's not experienced enough" crap, i want to  hear what McCain has to offer.


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Also, were you or your dad with McCain at all in Vietnam?

Sorry, hadn't noticed your post, had to modify this.  first off, i'm fifteen, couldn't have fought in Vietnam.  I asked my dad if he remembered seeing McCain in Vietnam, and he said yeah and then just kinda stared off and i could tell it was a bad memory, so i left it at that.

[Scarecrow63]

What makes you think I support McCain? Because I defended a veterans war record?

And why is the "Obamas not experienced enough" view crap? Tell me, what experience does he have that qualifies him to be the leader of the country?

[siegfried1]

Sorry, just that's what i had thought from reading your posts.
I will admit, Obama does not have an above average amount of experience, but that's what Biden and the rest of his cabinet are for.  Experience is not everything when you have a great idea.

[Scarecrow63]

I'm sorry, but in my opinion the leader of the country should have above-average experience. 

And whats this "great idea"? Change? what change?

[GrndAdmrlPellaeon]

Biden does not make decisions for Obama and I am sure that Obama will "change " what he wants without considering others opinions. Also, Obama does have experience with something McCain does not have... DRUGS.

[Slornie]

Being in captivity and fighting a war gives you experience. He knows what it feels like to be a warrior and to be captured.

I dont see how being held in captivity gives McCain any useful experience for high office, its not like the Oval Office is a prison cell..

The only benefit i can see from McCain's wartime experience is his commitment to fair treatment of prisoners (including those in Guantanamo Bay) and military personnel.  McCain has also stated that Waterboarding is a form of torture, and hopefully would have it banned if he attained office.

And why is the "Obamas not experienced enough" view crap? Tell me, what experience does he have that qualifies him to be the leader of the country?

Obama's experience:
- A BA in Political Science (specialised in International Relations).
- Worked at Business International Corporation and the New York Public Interest Research Group.
- Director of the Developing Communities Project for three years.
- Editor, then president of the Harvard Law Review while studying there (graduated with a JD in Law).
- Director of Illinois Project Vote for six months.
- Lectured at University of Chicago Law School for eight years.
- 11 years with a law firm.
- Founding member of the Public Allies non-profit organization.
- Served as a director for the Woods Fund of Chicago, the Joyce Foundation, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, among others.
- Eight years in the Illinois Senate, now three in the US Senate.

McCain's experience:
- A BS from the US Naval Academy (no major/specialism).
- Military service from 1958 to 1981, as a naval aviator.
- Combat duty from '67 to '73 (including 5 1/2 as a POW).
- Graduated from National War College.
- Three years with a training squadron, including one as CO.
- Four years as Navy liason to US Senate.
- One year as VP of Public Relations at Hensley & Co.
- Chairman of the International Republican Institute.
- Board member of Project Vote Smart.
- Four years as a US Congressman, then 21 in the US Senate.


In terms of who i support, i am somewhere between McCain and Obama, because i support a mixture of their policies.

[vadereclipse]

the worst thing about mccain is Palin. she is the physical embodiment of every negative republican stereotype i can think of.
-Fundamentalist christian
-anti-abortion in ALL cases (including rape and incest)
- lifelong NRA member.
-denies global warming
-on,and on and on.
she even threatened to sue a wildlife organisation for classifying polar bears as endangered so she couldn't hunt them.
PLUS, republicans are fucking hypocrites for criticising obama for a lack of experience when palin has been in a high-up place for only TWO years.
I dislike mccain. i despise palin.

[Dr. Knickers]

But under current law, all the tax cuts expire and the deficit disappears completely. Democrats in Congress have vowed to preserve the Bush tax cuts only if they can cover the cost and keep the budget in balance. Measured against current law and against the promises of his fellow Democrats, Obama would rack up huge deficits. According to a recent analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Obama's tax plan would add $3.4 trillion to the national debt, including interest, by 2018.

Something from early August that you might wanna keep in mind

[Slornie]

Yeah, but McCain's budget plans are just as bad, from the Washington Post article your link was sourced from:

According to the Tax Policy Center, McCain's tax plans would increase the national debt by at least $5 trillion over the next 10 years.

[Dr. Knickers]

One of Obama's main selling points is the fact that he is excellent in economics and will bring positive changes to America. I don't see a positive sign next to him. McCain's specialty isn't in economics; it lies in foreign policy and national security. Now who would this damage more then? We know McCain will spend more to protect us from foreign threats. We know that Democrats dislike the military and the use of military force. The money will be put to better use with McCain.

I agree about Palin though, she is just dragging McCain down.

[Slornie]

You mean McCain will tax less, and try to spend less.

As for foreign policy, like i mentioned in an earlier post, Obama specialised in International Relations in his politics degree.

Palin certainly doesnt enhance McCain's foreign policy expertise - She's only been outside of the States twice in her life!

[siegfried1]

McCain's just gonna end up dragging this country farther down then his predesessor has.

[Delta 07]

This is a comparison of Obama's and McCain expierience.
 Obama- black guy with good speech.
McCain- 20 or so years in senate and vietnam.

(not to be racist about the obama comment. im about as black as him since im part brazilian

[Meyer]

McCain's specialty isn't in economics; it lies in foreign policy and national security.

what policy? attack every country that doesn't like USA? And McCain is a supporter of american double standards.

[Slornie]

This is a comparison of Obama's and McCain expierience.
 Obama- black guy with good speech.
McCain- 20 or so years in senate and vietnam.

Again, what use is McCain's experience in Vietnam?  I dont see how being a POW for 6 years makes him suited to lead a country.

Obama has had a much more varied career: in politics, law, education, business, community groups.  Surely this gives him a better grounding for the many and varied issues that a President faces?

The VP's on the tickets balance the experience off considerably in any case:  McCain has Mrs Palin with only two years experience as a governor, while Obama has Mr Biden with 35 years experience in the Senate.

[Delta 07]

Well, obma going to law school doesnt mean anything when we are currently in a war. And if we pull out of iraq like what obama wants us to do, things could fall apart in iraq again and who knows how stupid the U.S. is going to look if we have to go to iraq again because we didnt finish the job the first time.

[Slornie]

I dont see that McCain's 6 years as a POW is any better than Obama's legal expertise.  You cant exactly say that Obama is any less qualified than George W Bush was when he achieved high office, either.  Anyhow, i thought the President has an army of military analysts, strategists and commanders in the Pentagon to advise on matters of security, etc?

As for Iraq, Obama's timetable of withdrawal (all combat brigades out within 16 months, depending on the situation) is pretty close to the desires of the Iraqi government (who are in the process of drafting a security agreement with the US) - They want all US forces to be out of urban areas by 2009, and a full withdrawal by 2011.

[siegfried1]

Well, obma going to law school doesnt mean anything when we are currently in a war. And if we pull out of iraq like what obama wants us to do, things could fall apart in iraq again and who knows how stupid the U.S. is going to look if we have to go to iraq again because we didnt finish the job the first time.

Okay, you think pulling out of there is a bad idea?  How idiotic can you be.  Have you ever heard about the Soviet occupation of Afganistan?  This is the exact same thing.  And on another note, Invading Iraq had nothing to do with Terrorism, it was Bush finishing his old man's dirty work.  And finally, who cares about Iraq, it's just a place for the US to destroy itself, as of right now.