lightsaber duelist

[vadereclipse]

I'll admit grievous was an astounding duellist for being non-force sensitive. however, as most are jedi, he really can't be thought of as the best. he was one of the best non-force sensitive duellists, though.

[Slornie]

While a Master of Form III( I will concede this point), it appeared to me that even though Obi-Wan was able to parry Anakin's attacks, he lost his ground with every strike.  Not only was Anakin pushing the battle as is a defining characteristic of Form V, but he was also controlling where the battle went.  Obi-wan was always back peddling and try to find a way to fight defensively.   A master of Form III should be able to hold his ground to a degree unless faced with a far superior practitioner of another form.

Yes, Obi Wan was pushed back by Anakin, but i thought the point of Form III was to allow your opponent to exert their energy while you wait for an opportunity?  I always assumed that Obi Wan was letting Anakin drive the fight to wear him down, and wait for that "opportune moment".

[Dane Kiet]

and Grievous was a great duelist. you say he had four lightsabers and his droid body. jedi had the force!!!! you don't think that helps them? and Grievous almost killed Obi.

Only after losing his saber when landing on the side of the building too hard. When he wasn't even fighting him. Until that happened, he was kicking Grievous' ass!

[rebel82785]

While a Master of Form III( I will concede this point), it appeared to me that even though Obi-Wan was able to parry Anakin's attacks, he lost his ground with every strike.  Not only was Anakin pushing the battle as is a defining characteristic of Form V, but he was also controlling where the battle went.  Obi-wan was always back peddling and try to find a way to fight defensively.   A master of Form III should be able to hold his ground to a degree unless faced with a far superior practitioner of another form.

Yes, Obi Wan was pushed back by Anakin, but i thought the point of Form III was to allow your opponent to exert their energy while you wait for an opportunity?  I always assumed that Obi Wan was letting Anakin drive the fight to wear him down, and wait for that "opportune moment".

The big thing to me saying that Obi-wan was overmatched was the amount of force he was having to defend with.  Anakin was PUSHING him back.  I feel(and this is me personally) that had Obi-wan been the superior technician, Obi-wan would have slowly been stepping pack.  Obi-wan was doing everything he could to survive, let alone defeat Anakin.  By chance(or the force) the fight gave Obi-wan the ability to gain, the high ground and thus the advantage.

[Isamu]

grievous had his magnaguards do a lot of the fighting for him anyways.

[aNaRcHiSt44]

It seems I didn't realize this was a poll. My favourite lightsaber duelist is still grievous, but I chose Darth maul; the only reason Anakin beat him was because Maul was being stupid and underestimating Obi-Wan. Plus, you have to take in to account that Maul had a dual-sided lightsaber, which only really powerful jedi/sith can construct, which means he was very powerful, but then again that conflicts with the question at hand, so once more; I vote Darth Maul.

[strike23]

It seems I didn't realize this was a poll. My favourite lightsaber duelist is still grievous, but I chose Darth maul; the only reason Anakin beat him was because Maul was being stupid and underestimating Obi-Wan. Plus, you have to take in to account that Maul had a dual-sided lightsaber, which only really powerful jedi/sith can construct, which means he was very powerful, but then again that conflicts with the question at hand, so once more; I vote Darth Maul.

anakin didnt beat darth maul... obi-wan did, Qui-gon died then obiwan leapt up and sliced darth maul in half.

[Isamu]

and darth maul wasn't being stupid, obi-wan not only got pissed, but qui-gon was slower than maul on account of age. obi-wan wasn't hindered by age.

[Meyer]

and building an dual-sided blade propably isn't more difficult than just one. you just need more parts and those crystals.

[aNaRcHiSt44]

strike23 obviously I meant Obi-Wan; look at a later part in the sentence, and common sense also kind of dictates that your post was really unnecessary. Darth Maul was being stupid in the way that he was too arrogant to believe that Obi-Wan could beat him, hence under-estimating, hence a subject of stupidity. Qui-Gon was slower because of age but much more experienced, yet he got killed by a far younger person with much less experience. Either QUi-Gon was a really shit duelist, or Maul was in general very good; either way benefits my view. And apparently only really powerful force-users could construct a lightsaber that is dual-sided and master it. It is much harder to use a dual-sided lightsaber, and consequently very easy to kill yourself with it, so in actual fact, and I don't know why people always oppose me for no reason whatsoever even when their points are conviluted; Maul was powerful, no matter what way you slice it, or Qui-Gon was exceptionally weak.

[vadereclipse]

obi-wan also broke one side of maul's saber. he was used to juyo, and was forced to use other forms.

[Slornie]

Qui Gon was another of the best duellists of the Jedi Order, particularly in his signature Form IV.  Its said that he could match Mace Windu in sparring matches, and would have been able to defeat him in his youth.  Part of Qui Gon's problem in the fight with Maul, was that Form IV is less suited to prolonged combat and confined spaces (that latter of which was a particular problem in that battle).  His age might have been an issue to some extent, however Ataru users constant use of the Force in their fighting can allow them to overcome their weaknesses (such as Yoda's height AND age).

[Isamu]

okay it was just a thought

[aNaRcHiSt44]

Were some posts deleted? Because Isamu's doesnt really appeal to me logic-wise.

Where are you going with this Slornie? If Qui-Gonn could match, or perhaps even best Windu then surely Maul must have been very talented to defeat both a Master-Duelist and his apprentice; Darth Maul was too arrogant to believe he could actually be killed, and that is probably the only real reason Obi-Wan killed him.

[Slornie]

I was explaining that Qui Gon wasnt a shit duellist, and then went on to explain how the situation of that fight was against him, in terms of his preferred form of lightsaber combat.

Maul was undoubtedly a skilled duellist, as the use of double bladed lightsabers is difficult to master.  However, being such a rare form of combat, his opponents will not have had much (if any) prior experience against its use.

[vadereclipse]

ma used juyo, righti think one of theman reasons he lost was because towards thend of the battle, one end of his lisaber was damaged, and it did not project a saber beam, making im have to modify his attack to a yle he was unfamliar to.

[grandadmiralbeck]

wow so many typo's

[rebel82785]

The Jedi of the Old Republic(and the New Order) focused more on their Force powers and knowledge. Darth Maul focused almost entirely on his saber fighting. Yes, the Jedi were unaccustomed to the dual blades, but they were some of the best technicians the Jedi had.  He was defeated, but only Palpatine was able to stand his own(indeed defeat) more than one top Jedi swordsman at time.  Maul, therefore, should be considered one of the higher level saber artist in recorded history.

[Isamu]

ma used juyo, righti think one of theman reasons he lost was because towards thend of the battle, one end of his lisaber was damaged, and it did not project a saber beam, making im have to modify his attack to a yle he was unfamliar to.

english please

[Enlil]

See I'm from the school of thought that thinks that Maul was nothing more than a weak tool used by Palpatine.  Sure the guy could fight but he was never meant to be anything more than a weapon.  I give him points for his strategic thinking and for those of you who think that he was retreating stop and think...you never let someone who outnumbers you secure the area and attack in force, so he kept moving waiting for an opening.  Jinn and Kenobi's fighting styles were used to open ground and the fighting in there played heavily against them.  Maul just played it smart, for a little while.

Maul doesn't qualify to rank as high as a Windu or a Dooku or a Yoda.  He is skilled and maybe if he had time to develop himself he would rate so high, but Obi-Wan cut him short...