(SPLIT) from sith empire discussion, Luke Skywalker

[vadereclipse]

ok. sion wasn't really alive in the same way. he was a twisted personification of the dark side of the force. as was nihilus.
i think a jedi could reach 200 years old at max. however, i know of no documented cases of this i only know from wookieepedia. krayt lived for 190, in part from stasis, in part from vord'unn crab armour, and in part from the dark side.
oh, and genetically, boba fett was 140 years old in 40 ABY.

[Slornie]

oh, and genetically, boba fett was 140 years old in 40 ABY.

What? 

[Isamu]

boba fett wasn't that old.

[vadereclipse]

he was 70 in 40ABY, but as a clone, aged twice as fast. therefore, he was 140, genetically.

[Slornie]

he was 70 in 40ABY, but as a clone, aged twice as fast. therefore, he was 140, genetically.

Nope, Boba was genetically identical to Jango - No alterations, and no age enhancement.

[Dane Kiet]

Apart from his pay, which is considerable, Fett demanded only one thing. An unaltered clone for himself

[Razgriz]

A'sharad Hett (Darth Krayt) is about 190, and he's still going.

Wait A'sharad Hett is Darth Krayt? I havent Been keeping up with the legacy series (Only the first one is at the Barnes and Noble near me.) I think he fought alongside Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars i read a comic about it.

Not knowing something doesn't make you weaker, just less experienced perhaps. 

And no, they were not jedi/sith more powerful than him, thats the whole point of a prophecy and such

The prophecy just stated he would bring balance to the force, not that he would be the most powerfull jedi of all time.

[Slornie]

He had the highest ever recorded Midi-Chlorian count of any Jedi - And the Midi-Chlorian's dictated strength in the Force.

[Dane Kiet]

Which is BS made up by Lucas after the fact to get whiners to shut up. And, here's another point; How do we know Anakin was at his full potential? After all, he had only been training for 13 years!!!

[aNaRcHiSt44]

Hmmmmm....this is a really tough one, considering alll the arguments you guys have stated. Yes, Anakin was not necessarily the most powerful Jedi ever due to him being the subject of the PRophecy, and that Midi-Chlorian fiction was invented by George Lucas to silence any objections or questions regarding the true power of each Jedi-naturally people would think that Yoda was more powerful due to his limitless experience, or even Palpatine and Obi-Wan because they were his masters.
Luke was slightly weaker than Anakin, I would imagine, though I dont think this has been proven. As I said, Luke probably only defeated Vader because Vader was in that suit, but that suit is central to half the story, and of course, if Anakin had not been stopped, there would be no Luke. It's similar to the General Grievous and Obi-Wan duel-Grievous had killed many Jedi single-handedly with little to no difficulty, but when he kidnapped Palpatine, his throat was crushed, which explains his racking cough. It also explains why Obi-Wan beat him, because I do not think Grievous would have lost if he wasn't injured. Come to think of it, Grievous was not a force user, but he still managed to kill hundreds of Jedi, which kinda leads me to believe that if Grievous HAD been a force-user, he would have easily been the most powerful,at least with a light-saber, and he would be nigh unkillable.

[Meyer]

throat crushed? Grievous had no throat that could have been crushed. His internal organs were damaged, that's the reason of his cough. And Grievous killed jedi because he has a part droid. that gave him un-naturally good reflexes. And to be fair Grievous would have won Obi-Wan had Obi not been able to use force to take the blaster. So more of a luck than skill.

And yes. A'Sharad Hett was a jedi during the Clone Wars but after it he fell to the dark side while plotting revenge to the sith. so he became one and found the new sith order.

And about those midi-chlorians. they're not BS. If Lucas says or does something that is related to SW it's real in that universe. Lucas created it. He is the God of SW. His word is the law. Midi-Chlorians were made up by Lucas, therefore they aren't BS just because you don't think they're good/right explanation to how much strength in force one has.

And yes Anakin wasn't up to his full potential at the time of Order 66. Palpatine said it: "Lord Vader will BEcome more powerful than either of us." referring to himself and Yoda. doesn't become mean like will be in the future.

[Isamu]

i disagree, if grievous had been a force user, he wouldn't have been mostly robot.

[Meyer]

well he got his injuries from a shuttle crash and when he seemed to survive with minor damage which could have been repaired, Dooku ordered that Grievous' body had to be damaged more so that he would be made a cyborg. and to keep him alive he used the force-rich blood of Sifo-Dyas. And I don't see how Grievous being force sensitive had made any difference.

[Isamu]

he wouldn't have been killed so easily by kenobi if at all if he were a force user. i dont think he would be super power ful. the most powerful sith and jedi have relied on the force more than a lightsaber.

[Meyer]

I wouldn't say that it was easy for Kenobi to kill Grievous.

[Slornie]

Even if Grievous had been a Force user, it wouldnt have made any difference after he became Cyborg - Remember how much Force power Vader lost after the Mustafar incident?  He had the highest Midi-Chlorian count of any Jedi (which being in the films, is 100% canonical) and still became so much weaker.  Also Grievous was much more Cyborg than Vader, so would have been even weaker in the Force.

Oh, and aNaRcHiSt, Lucas has apparently stated that Luke had exactly the same Force potential as Anakin before Mustafar.

[Meyer]

where did he state that? if someone wants to go and check.

And I also like to point that the idea of midi-chlorians is not a new one. It was first mentioned by Lucas in 1977!

[Slornie]

Apparently, in one of the DVD releases of The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas stated in a Directors commentary that Luke has the same Force potential as his father, which is why both Darth Vader and the Emperor were willing to turn on each other to gain Luke as their apprentice. Luke is said to represent Anakin's full potential, if Anakin had lived to achieve it rather than suffer the horrible fate that made him more machine than man. Lucas further measures that Luke's Force potential was twice as powerful as Emperor Palpatine.

[Dane Kiet]

I never said it wasn't canon, but it was the cheap way out. Why did he need to explain the force? It existed, get over it. It was like Jar Jar. Annoying.
And, here's another point. Could Anakin immerse himself in the force as far as his potential will allow? Doesn't it work like stretching, the more you do it, the further you go.

[vadereclipse]

get your words right. i hate that chewbacca died in the YV war, but i accept it as canon. same principle with jar-jar. midi-cholirans were force potential, not dirextly force power. anakin was not fully trained. had he been fully reained, he would be an incredibly powerful jedi. luke, as the son., also gotincredible force potential. and there seems to be something about twins which make jedi more powerful. i.e. jacen&jaina, luke&leia. soluke was very powerful.