Rebellion/NR Vs Empire/IR which would you live under?

[Illidan Stormrage]

So I thought about maybe what would I want to live under.

The some what corrupt but powerful Empire?
Or the chaotic Corrupt NR?

My vote is Empire since as long as I do my part I would feel safe especially when Pealleon Called the shots. I also want to live out my fantasy commanding a simple ISD or Raider Corvette.

IN THE NAME OF THE EMPIRE!!!!

[tlmiller]

Was there any doubt what I'd choose?  Give me Kaine/Pelleaon/Thrawns/even Dalla and I can live in the Empire without any major issues.  Palp's I would definitely have my reservations, but IMO, still better to follow a Sith than Jedi IMO, even if I disagree with a lot of said Sith's beliefs.

[Bucman55]

At least the New Republic isn't xenophobic and does not support slavery. Those are flaws too big to look over when choosing sides. The Remnant may be better than the GE, but the NR is still the better option at the end of the day.

EDIT: Regarding the poll, the Rebels/NR are not terrorists. They don't use terror tactics, that's the Empire.

[tlmiller]

They sabotage and kill agents of the legal government and it's citizens to push their agenda...nearly the definition of terrorists.

[Illidan Stormrage]

EDIT: Regarding the poll, the Rebels/NR are not terrorists. They don't use terror tactics, that's the Empire.

Blowing in up a military space station
Posing as pirates attacking the world of Halmad
intentionally causing violence

And it is more brutality then fear with the empire. I mean yes the empire is using fear but so dos batman. Is batman a terrorist? NO.

But to the point the Empire is a more stable regime and not all imperial leaders agree with the tactics the empire uses like Yularen, Pealleon, Dalaa, and Thrawn

[Bucman55]

Blowing in up a military space station
Posing as pirates attacking the world of Halmad

Both military targets. The Rebels never intentionally targeted civilians, unlike the Empire.

intentionally causing violence

Against oppressive Imperial military targets.

And it is more brutality then fear with the empire. I mean yes the empire is using fear but so dos batman. Is batman a terrorist? NO.

No, but Batman doesn't murder and enslave innocent people. Batman makes the criminals fear him, the Empire makes its citizens fear it.

But to the point the Empire is a more stable regime and not all imperial leaders agree with the tactics the empire uses like Yularen, Pealleon, Dalaa, and Thrawn

That's the problem with the Empire. Despite various leaders disagreeing with their actions, there's nothing they can do about it without having direct control of the Empire.

[Grand Admiral Rufaan Tigellinus]

Empire, of course. Basically what TLMiller said, I share his opinion. As for NR, part of the reason why the "Alliance to Restore the Republic" wanted to "restore" it, was to bring back its corrupt ways, which eventually happened. People like Borsk Fey'lya benefited much more during the rule of the NR, than he ever would in the Empire, humanocentrism aside. And just look at what the NR was comprised of. What was Han Solo doing, before becoming the hero of the Rebellion? He was delivering drugs (spice) for a druglord/mobster (Jabba). And that's just one example. Also, think about this: there were more than 2 million people aboard the first Death Star, including families of the entire crew. So hundreds of thousands of women and children. While on Yavin 4, which was an uninhabited world, there were only several thousands of rebels, all of whom were soldiers. So, if Yavin 4 was actually destroyed, as planned, there would be a lot less innocent lives lost, and also the Galactic Civil War would be over then and there. As it happened, though, the Alliance continued to destabilize the galaxy, and to challenge imperial rule. If anything, they were the aggressors in the conflict. Later, during the NR years, the NR was always fighting in wars against someone, namely because many factions didn't trust their political regime and government. With imperial rule the galaxy wouldn't crumble the way it did, the war would end earlier, a lot less people would die, including the civilians. Yes, the Rebels/NR never purposely attacked civilians, but much more people died as result of their direct actions, as opposed to the Empire, who were the custodians of peace and order in the galaxy, while most of the NR members were ex-criminals who became influential people all of a sudden, under the new regime. Much like what happened in Russia when the communists took over. I'm exaggerating a little, but it's a lot closer than you think.

[Mr.Puerto]

If I had to choose only between the two it would be the NR. I rather not live under an Empire that subjugates people.

[Illidan Stormrage]

Both military targets. The Rebels never intentionally targeted civilians, unlike the Empire.
No, but Batman doesn't murder and enslave innocent people. Batman makes the criminals fear him, the Empire makes its citizens fear it.

Wraith Squadron Intentionally targeted Halmad's population by:
Robbing Banks
Blowing up spaceports
Attacking airfields in urban centers
Hijacking simple merchants who were selling to the Empire
stealing fighters


And you miss understood the batman thing

EDIT: Regarding the poll, the Rebels/NR are not terrorists. They don't use terror tactics, that's the Empire.

Batman use fear tactics against the crooks he fought

[DarthRevansRevenge]

1. get out all who say the NR were terrorists. BOTH sides didn't do well, but the rebels didn't build superweapons(how many did Palpatine and his successors make?), the didn't support slavery, they didn't BOMB THE CRAP OUT OF PLANETS BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T OBEY EVERY SLAVE LAW IN THE BOOK, and when the wanted to restore the republic, they wanted a democracy like the Republic SHOULD have been. however, Borsk Feylya screwed it up by carring only about himself and his home.... and destroyed the NR in the process. but the Alliance wanted the democracy back, not the corruption. corruption was one thing they tried to clear OUT of the governments.

now, the empire? until Daala/Pellaeon came around, they were UNDOUBTEDLY Tyrants/Terrorists, with the exception of Kaine. they blew up planets, enslaved any non-human, and focused on spreading terror to get what they wanted.

now, as for who i would live under? i would carve my OWN democratic empire out, with some democracy(like the Senate and Courts), but with the military/administration being in my hands/that of the supreme commander, elected/appointed by the senate

[Lord Xizer]

Depends for me, Imperial Remnant under Pellaeon, the Alignment under Kaine and the Empire under Thrawn I would be very content to live in, but I'd hands down turn against a maniac like the Emperor or Vader who rule through fear and intimidation for their own benefit. I never viewed the NR as terrorists and a lot of their people were worthy of honor and respect, Bel Iblis, Cal Omas, Wedge, Mon Mothma and Leia. There were good senators as well as bad ones. The corruption would sicken me but I can respect that they give more freedom to their citizens to determine their own fates.

[Grand Admiral Rufaan Tigellinus]

I dislike the Rebels/NR, but I agree that we shouldn't label them as terrorists, that wasn't my point. They utilised the tactics which worked best against a superior enemy, and managed to win, which is a respectable achievement. I might not like them, but I do respect them. Simply referring to them as terrorists only is a bit immature, imo.

I just don't think they fared well as a political regime, so I would rather live under the Empire, with more stability and safety. I would probably not be saying this if I wasn't human, though, I recognize that.

[Mr.Puerto]

Someone spends a lot of time on the subreddit The Empire Did Nothing Wrong.

[Slornie]

there were more than 2 million people aboard the first Death Star, including families of the entire crew. So hundreds of thousands of women and children. While on Yavin 4, which was an uninhabited world, there were only several thousands of rebels, all of whom were soldiers. So, if Yavin 4 was actually destroyed, as planned, there would be a lot less innocent lives lost

And what about Despayre and Alderaan?  Yes the populace of Despayre were criminals, but their sentence was life imprisonment on a penal colony, not death.  And that's without going onto the many other atrocities deliberately committed by the Empire, including Caamas and Krytos.

[DarthRevansRevenge]

that was my point

[Pali]

For all that the NR govt. was called corrupt, the word applies far more to the Imperial government.  Every Moff was incredibly rich and used their positions to benefit themselves, often at the expense and pain of their citizens.  They almost never make decisions based on anything close to the public good, but are laser-focused on maintaining or growing their own power.

Democracies will have corruption, that is a brute fact of human affairs - but dictatorships have significantly more because they lack internal, systematic checks on the power of state officials.  NR all the way for me.

[GreyStar]

A. The Rebellion was not a state of government. The Rebellion was a movement to create a new government. Unless that Corellian Treaty or whatever lebeled themselves as government.

B. The metholody of a terrorist does not lable them terrorists. It is the intent of that metholody. They seek to inspire fear and they do so through wide media attacks on military and civilian buildings. Many politicans who drum up non-existant threats in spectular conferences and bombastic speeches are the same thing, trying to incite terror. The Rebellion sought to UNDO the terror the galaxy lived in. There's a reason the Death Star was called a Terror Weapon and the Tarkin Doctrine called for rule by fear. Seriously. The Empire were the terrorists, and the tryanists.

C. The Empire destroyed planets, the New Republic didn't. Stupidly high taxes on both sides, but I don't lose my entire planet because the guy next door complains.

D. Batman is in fact, a terrorist. He made himself so effective at fighting crime to inspire fear into criminals to destroy crime as a way of making a living in Gotham. And around the world. This is best shown in the Arkham series where the stealth "Predator" segements, the better you do, the more terrified the goons are. In Arkham Knight, the more destruction you wreak on the Arkham Knight's Militia, the more terrified they are, and it involves attacking paramilitary bases.

[Mr.Puerto]

Terrorism is one of those words that truly doesn't have a definitive definition. However, I don't think that the general Rebellion was terrorist group, that's just playing into the supposed "in depth" look saying the Republic/Empire is the US and the Rebellion is Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. It's a nice thought but leave it in middle school English class.

[Illidan Stormrage]

Here is a question to prove it.
If a country uses a fear tactic against terrorists does that make them terrorists?

And Another question.
Is subjugation terrorism? that what the Empire does right? they do major imperial occupation of worlds that SUPPORTED the terrorists of the confederacy!

And As Tyber Zahn said about the NR "I always wanted to own a senator" this explains their corruption and incompetence.

I rather Die in My raider corvette serving the EMPIRE then KNEELING TO THOSE NEW REPUBLIC DOGS!
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!! !
LONG LIVE THRAWN!!
LONG LIVE PEALLEON!!!!

[GreyStar]

To be fair the Empire's first act as a government was to kill an entire religious order responsible for solving countless disputes and defending the innocents.

Also, if we are going by the NR's tactis making them terrorists, the Empire used the same tacits on them, so yes, using terror tactics on terrorists makes the second party terrorists as well.