The Number one Imperial Warlord

[Lord Xizer]

While the torpedo sphere probably played a large part in it, you should remember that Corellia has always been a very large and powerful system. The Corellian Sector Fleet is nothing to scoff at. Remember that most major shipyards planets had very large defense forces, as well as typically very large and powerful battlecruisers with limited hyperdrives that aren't seen anywhere else. There's a reason the Empire didn't try to mess with Corellia very much.

Also a good point. I just wonder how much damage Grunger did to the defending Fleet as his was annihilated.

[Settra]

Also a good point. I just wonder how much damage Grunger did to the defending Fleet as his was annihilated.

I would like to think it was an extremely close fight...though it is also possible that he was whooped so badly he went a bit  insane so ramming a Torpedo Sphere seemed like a good idea...

[Lord Xizer]

I would like to think it was an extremely close fight...though it is also possible that he was whooped so badly he went a bit  insane so ramming a Torpedo Sphere seemed like a good idea...

I think what happened was both fleets were badly damaged though Grunger's probably suffered much more. The loss of his armada would have been death to his hopes of galactic domination, proved he was able to be defied and beaten, and ruined his ability to rally others to his banner. Rather than live in defeat he decided to rob Pitta of his victory if nothing else.
With Grunger and Pitta's death whatever remained of their forces no doubt were absorbed by the Diktat who then declared their independence since they would have had a sizable fleet and the two largest Imp fleets near them had been destroyed.

[Settra]

I think what happened was both fleets were badly damaged though Grunger's probably suffered much more. The loss of his armada would have been death to his hopes of galactic domination, proved he was able to be defied and beaten, and ruined his ability to rally others to his banner. Rather than live in defeat he decided to rob Pitta of his victory if nothing else.
With Grunger and Pitta's death whatever remained of their forces no doubt were absorbed by the Diktat who then declared their independence since they would have had a sizable fleet and the two largest Imp fleets near them had been destroyed.

Reasonable enough explanation. But on the topic of the 12 original Grand Admirals I have a distaste of Rufaan Tigellinus. I'm not a fan of all the political maneuvering, they should prove their worth through an exceptional battle record, not who they make friends with.

[Lord Xizer]

Reasonable enough explanation. But on the topic of the 12 original Grand Admirals I have a distaste of Rufaan Tigellinus. I'm not a fan of all the political maneuvering, they should prove their worth through an exceptional battle record, not who they make friends with.

I agree.  Of the Original 12 I think in terms of tactical brilliance, strategic genius, and all around talent the list is as follows from 1 to 12(1 being best and 12 being worst)
1:Grand Admiral Teshik
2:Grand Admiral Zaarin
3:Grand Admiral Grunger
4:Grand Admiral Pitta
5:Grand Admiral Takel
6:Grand Admiral Tigellinus
7:Grand Admiral Makati
8:Grand Admiral Grant
9:Grand Admiral Syn
10:Grand Admiral Declann
11:Grand Admiral Batch
12:Grand Admiral Il-Raz

(Grand Admiral Thrawn obviously outclasses all the aforementioned Grand Admirals and Grand Admiral Pellaeon was probably the equal of Grand Admiral Teshik by the time of his ascendance to the rank if not a bit better.)

[Settra]

I do love Teshik! His story in the beginning of the Guide to Warfare was a good read. As for the rest of the Admirals...just a star crowd. From xenophobic to spice addict, the Emperor picked some interesting characters.

[tlmiller]

I'm actually a big fan of Zaarin.  Good at strategy, great at design, and had some HUEVOS GRANDES to try and overthrow the emperor while he was still alive.  Without him, we'd have no Tie Avengers, my favorite fighter.

[Settra]

I'm actually a big fan of Zaarin.  Good at strategy, great at design, and had some HUEVOS GRANDES to try and overthrow the emperor while he was still alive.  Without him, we'd have no Tie Avengers, my favorite fighter.

Quite true, Zaarin was one of the best on the list. I more of meant the Admirals starting with Pitta and moving down. Teshik, Zaarin, and Grunger each were deserving of the position

[Lord Xizer]

Quite true, Zaarin was one of the best on the list. I more of meant the Admirals starting with Pitta and moving down. Teshik, Zaarin, and Grunger each were deserving of the position

Yes Zaarin even gave Thrawn a run for his money for a time. He outfoxed vader and he Emperor both. He also gave the Empire it's best Starfighter TIE Defender.

[Lord Xizer]

On the topic of Grunger and Pitta is there ANY written version of the battle they fought?

[KommissarReb]

I truly do not mean to necropost, but I feel that making a clone of this thread would just be redundant.

Out of the mentioned Warlords and based on what I know of them (hadn't read books or comics) I'd say my favorite are Warlord Zsinj, Grand Moff Ardus Kaine, and Grand Admiral Josef Grunger.

Zsinj was IMO a great tactician who didn't really seem to care too much about the Galactic Empire, but saw it as a means to an end. I don't mind that at all since I'm not really that big of a fan of that faction either, but for different reasons for the most part. I'm also a fan of Zsinj because he liked to appear as non-threatening or comical to lull his enemies into a false sense of security that brings about a fatal arrogance in them. His strategies and the fact that he personally created some of the designs his empire used was also something I liked.

Ardus Kaine was into securing his own holdings and wasn't too concerned with conquest. His faction mostly fought pirates, and despite still being officially hostile to and not recognizing the New Republic, he didn't really launch any (major) offensives on them. He eventually did so in Operation Shadow Hand, but reluctantly.

I don't know a whole lot about Josef Grunger besides the fact that he was at odds with Danetta Pitta. That alone makes makes me happy because I hate Pitta so much for his usage of starships that functioned as extermination camps for specicidal purposes.

[Lord Xizer]

Excellent choices and glad the post got a revisit

[CaptainPogo]

Kaine really gets my vote as he more or less did the most success of securing his power and unlike the others, it wasn't picked apart from the other factions, and even his death didn't really diminish the strength he build up in the Alignment in my feelings over the matter.

Though the PA would eventually be annexed by Pellaeon into the IR, Kaine still has that respect in that his homeworld is now the IR's official capital. Zsinj may be an impressive SOB that required an enemy mine situation to tear down his power, but you don't see his homeworld being the capital of a powerful government.

[Lord Xizer]

I completely agree. The two I'd have served would have been Kaine and Zsinj

[KommissarReb]

Zsinj may be an impressive SOB that required an enemy mine situation to tear down his power, but you don't see his homeworld being the capital of a powerful government.

Fondor was nowhere near his territory, so obviously it couldn't be his capital. Zsinj was never really the sentimental type anyway.

[Lord Xizer]

Neat we have a vote for Teradoc and Harrsk

[Delta]

That moment you suggest Ysanne Isard when she was a warlord in Bacta War.

Prepared to take as many shots as the Lusankya did over Thyferra.