Thrawn's Revenge

Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Meyer on June 21, 2008, 07:56:37 PM

Title: redemption
Post by: Meyer on June 21, 2008, 07:56:37 PM
I have been reading some discussion about the goods and bads in Invincible and one think some have taken as a bad thing is that Jacen wasn't redeemd in the end. What is your opinion?
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Scarecrow63 on June 21, 2008, 10:17:11 PM
I personally think Jacen is a whiny n00b, so I'm perfectly fine with it
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on June 21, 2008, 10:54:16 PM
i wanted Han to kill Jacen that would have been  more dramatic and emotinal.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Meyer on June 22, 2008, 06:56:58 AM
I doubt han could have killed him.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: vadereclipse on June 22, 2008, 07:11:13 AM
few non-force-sensitives have ever killed an (active trained) jedi or sith. boa and jango. they are the only edi killers i know. and vong, or course.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Meyer on June 22, 2008, 07:53:52 AM
grievous?
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: grandadmiralbeck on June 22, 2008, 11:58:24 AM
yet han was like 10 times as badass as greivous, jango combined. and a little more badass than boba. harrison ford. come on now. and in star wars, it seems like the people are always redeemed, (cept for the emporer he got killed several times) and sometimes the bad guys just need to get what they deserve.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: vadereclipse on June 22, 2008, 01:58:03 PM
grievous?
of course. i forgot.
han wasn't 10x as badass as han and griievous,. i personally believe grievous to be more powerful than han or jango.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: grandadmiralbeck on June 23, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
HARISSON FORD! you can't get more badass than that. COME ON! he was the only actor in star wars that actually had a career in acting after that. besides alec guinnes who just cameo'd in alot of stuff.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: vadereclipse on June 23, 2008, 12:42:13 PM
i meant regarding SW.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: grandadmiralbeck on June 23, 2008, 03:54:01 PM
well han was played by harrison ford. so therefore han was indeed, a badass. and way cooler than some stupid bug in a robot. and a fururistic tin man.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Isamu on July 02, 2008, 03:47:10 PM
i feel jacen should have died
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: ARC-Trooper57 on July 23, 2008, 06:51:03 AM
of course jacen should have died he was an insane sith lord, plus he made it so boba and mirta and possibly venku can never go to mandalore again
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Slornie on July 23, 2008, 07:40:48 AM
I think Jacen dying rather than being redeemed was the best end to the series.  It shows a clear difference between Luke and Jaina's perspective.  Also, he wouldnt have had much of a life after being redeemed, i doubt the galaxy would have settled for penance like Kyp had after Carida..

One thing that did annoy me to some extent was the way the Jedi battles have become much more complex and violent as the canon extends further.  I mean, in the films and the earlier books, the battles were pretty straight forward, while in LotF they seemed to go a bit OTT with it all.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 23, 2008, 12:27:37 PM
I think the whole of the Jacen plot was idiotic. It was just like watching the movies again, except with alot more gays and gayness.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: vadereclipse on July 23, 2008, 01:31:51 PM
I think the whole of the Jacen plot was idiotic. It was just like watching the movies again, except with alot more gays and gayness.
the only "gay" person in LOTF was goran beviin, and so what? there's nothing wrong with it :p
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: ARC-Trooper57 on July 23, 2008, 02:24:19 PM
I think the whole of the Jacen plot was idiotic. It was just like watching the movies again, except with alot more gays and gayness.
the only "gay" person in LOTF was goran beviin, and so what? there's nothing wrong with it :p
exactly, plus he was a badass mandalorian
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: vadereclipse on July 23, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
exactly. the best type of gay, not that either are wrong.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Re4_wesker on July 24, 2008, 12:14:26 AM
Jacen thought by turning to the dark side he could end the continuous war and such. bad idea. He killed some good star wars characters and hurt many of them. The fool walked the same path as anakin skywalker in many ways and the end result wuz basically the same. the only difference was that jacen was a fool and highly disrespectful to the ways of the light side of the force. the fool deserved nothing for his deceiving and traitorous ways. In fact he wuz even said to be a "pawn" for other sith to use as a distraction. So no Jacen deserved nothing.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 24, 2008, 07:35:09 PM
All these noobs love the LotF. THAT IS NOT STAR WARS!
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: grandadmiralbeck on July 24, 2008, 10:15:59 PM
ok, well LotF is star wars, it says so on the front =D. And let people have their opinion.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Re4_wesker on July 25, 2008, 01:05:48 AM
All these noobs love the LotF. THAT IS NOT STAR WARS!

well they kill characters that were never meant to be killed like in the vong war (chewie r.i.p.). then mara (r.i.p.), and kyle katarn was badly hurt  >:( . like i never got into the series. all i did wuz look up jacen solo on wookie and i basically got the whole lotf story in one hour :laugh: .
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Slornie on July 25, 2008, 05:42:33 AM
All these noobs love the LotF. THAT IS NOT STAR WARS!
LotF is just as much a part of Star Wars as the newly invented Warlord Shadowspawn, in Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker_and_the_Shadows_of_Mindor).. Personally i think i much prefer the idea of the former (aside the annoying similarity to the prequels, etc).
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: ARC-Trooper57 on July 25, 2008, 06:52:22 AM
All these noobs love the LotF. THAT IS NOT STAR WARS!
LOTF is one of the best star wars series, however legacy comics series is completely terrible
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Meyer on July 25, 2008, 08:57:32 AM


LotF is just as much a part of Star Wars as the newly invented Warlord Shadowspawn

but Shadowspawn isn't a new character. he is mentioned before.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Slornie on July 25, 2008, 09:40:13 AM
Sorry.  First mentioned in the Dark Empire Sourcebook, then in The Essential Chronology.  Shadows of Mindor is his first in-canon appearance though.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Meyer on July 25, 2008, 12:35:14 PM
yes it is.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Dr. Knickers on July 25, 2008, 01:53:51 PM
Woo hoo! Jack Sparrow comes into Star Wars!  -_^
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Delta 07 on July 25, 2008, 02:46:00 PM
Wat? Jack Sparrow in starwars? i dont get that ???
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: vadereclipse on July 25, 2008, 03:57:38 PM
he's joking. POTC and SW are at best, incompatible.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Dr. Knickers on July 25, 2008, 04:24:46 PM
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/c/c5/ShadowSpawnZoom.jpg

Title: Re: redemption
Post by: vadereclipse on July 25, 2008, 04:27:03 PM
oh.
were they darksabers he used?
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Corey on July 26, 2008, 10:59:21 AM
Darksaber was a half-assed Death Star by the Hutts. Those are just lightsabers with more stuff on the handle.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Delta 07 on July 26, 2008, 11:46:54 AM
Whats with the black stormtroopers in the pic. I thought they were only white(not intended to be a racist comment)
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 29, 2008, 01:44:38 AM
quick paint job, i mean, what kind of sith wants white stormies around? in order to be truly bad-ass you must complete the dark side picture with black henchmen
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 31, 2008, 10:42:17 AM
All these noobs love the LotF. THAT IS NOT STAR WARS!

well they kill characters that were never meant to be killed like in the vong war (chewie r.i.p.). then mara (r.i.p.), and kyle katarn was badly hurt  >:( . like i never got into the series. all i did wuz look up jacen solo on wookie and i basically got the whole lotf story in one hour :laugh: .


My sentiments exactly.
Title: Re: redemption
Post by: Corey on July 31, 2008, 10:48:44 AM
They're the Blackhole Troopers. Back on topic.

On topic: I do think Jacen should have been killed, but I also think that since he tried to warn off Tenal Ka and Allana instead of defend himself, he'll reappear as a force ghost to either Jaina or his parents in the Millenium Falcon book.