Author Topic: Pollution and Energy (Split from Obama) (Read 17048 times)

siegfried1 · « **on:** September 04, 2008, 08:32:02 PM »

Quote from: Dr. Nick on September 04, 2008, 08:00:30 PM

Pulling out of Iraq before it completely stabilizes is a bad idea. Country would have a civil war between Sunnis, Shi'ites, and Kurds. They would probably split Iraq into different regions for each group, disrupting the flow of oil from Iraq and negatively impacting the global economy.

First of all, who cares if they have a civil war, i mean, we do nothing about it in Africa, so what's another one (note, this is sarcasm). Second, there is enough oil for us and the west, and that's all that matters.

Dr. Knickers · « **Reply #1 on:** September 04, 2008, 08:42:00 PM »

How would you like a price hike on oil? How would the rest of the world?

siegfried1 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 04, 2008, 09:36:59 PM »

Well, there's a lot more oil than just that in the middle east. There's probably trillions in Canada.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 04, 2008, 10:10:00 PM »

Good idea, tomorrow at eight we'll shut down all pipelines from the middle east and all go pump oil outta canada! Oh wait, that won't work.

Delta 07 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 05, 2008, 12:17:02 AM »

iraq having a civil war would suck. i dont care about the iraqis, just the oil prices. and we dont stop the civil wars in africa because its not worth sending a squad of marines. half of africa's civil wars start because some guy stole a pig or goat from a person in another country

Meyer · « **Reply #5 on:** September 05, 2008, 12:43:16 AM »

Quote from: Delta 07 on September 05, 2008, 12:17:02 AM

iraq having a civil war would suck. i dont care about the iraqis, just the oil prices. and we dont stop the civil wars in africa because its not worth sending a squad of marines. half of africa's civil wars start because some guy stole a pig or goat from a person in another country

so USA didn't go to Iraq to bring it's people democrazy and freedom?

Delta 07 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 05, 2008, 10:26:27 AM »

In my opinion, it was oil first, and while were there lets set up a democracy. another world super-power like china would just take the oil and let the iraqi people fend for themselves. ( I have nothing against china, just saying what I think they would do)

s-t-n · « **Reply #7 on:** September 05, 2008, 02:16:24 PM »

hmmm...im torn between the two.

Obama would be perfect, but the one thing that makes me dislike his policies is the "pull out of Iraq" stuff. The US (and us in GB) should never have gone there. but now we have a responsibility to clean up the mess we caused and ensure Iraq is stable.

However, i could never like McCain or his decisions either, bar Iraq. The republicans seem to stand for the exact opposite to what i believe is right. luckily, as i live in good 'ol Britain, i dont have to worry about that. i just have to worry about Brown or Thatcher Mkll...

Slornie · « **Reply #8 on:** September 05, 2008, 02:54:13 PM »

Now ive looked into things, i think i'd actually like Ralph Nader to win. Unfortunately, there's no chance of that happening =[

vadereclipse · « **Reply #9 on:** September 05, 2008, 03:08:28 PM »

with nader, the only bad thing is, he's technically the reason bush served 2 terms, or even 1, for that matter.
in both 2000 and 2004 he took votes from mainly democrats, meaning republicans had an advantage. however, nader seems like a civilised american politician.

siegfried1 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 05, 2008, 05:00:49 PM »

Quote from: Scarecrow63 on September 04, 2008, 10:10:00 PM

Good idea, tomorrow at eight we'll shut down all pipelines from the middle east and all go pump oil outta canada! Oh wait, that won't work.

Okay smart ass, i just meant there's more than just what's in the Middle East. It was just an alternative idea.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 05, 2008, 05:05:02 PM »

The problem is, most of it is in the Middle East, at least whats usable right now. So like it or not, the world relies on the middle east for oil right now.

vadereclipse · « **Reply #12 on:** September 05, 2008, 05:37:18 PM »

also, you don't pump oil as soon as a rig or pump is assembled. it takes a long time for any substantial supply of oil is pumped. While i believe iraq should be gradually pulled out from, i am not against the ides of temporary bases with garrisons of troops, similar to in Cyprus.

Delta 07 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 05, 2008, 06:57:42 PM »

who cares about oil, ethanol is the best. which just happens to be supplied by Brazi or most of it.

Slornie · « **Reply #14 on:** September 05, 2008, 07:07:30 PM »

Except, in many cases, bioethanol creates just as much CO2 as oil (through deforestation, etc). Also, the land used to grow the ethanol crops cannot then be used for growing food crops, pushing up food prices.

vadereclipse · « **Reply #15 on:** September 05, 2008, 07:13:08 PM »

bioethanol in the USA is made through corn. this has led to a shortage in food supplies of both corn, and livestock, and as it has taken pressure off oil, has been kept in place, and heavily subsidised, wasting taxpayer's money. biofuels in the USA are a failure.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2008, 12:15:04 AM »

In my opinion, ethanol is the bigget scam just about ever. Its marketed as a way to help the environment, but thats just a big lie. The process ends up producing more co2 than normal gas, costs more than normal gas, requires more expensive engines to run on, drives up food prices worldwide, and devastates rain forests.

Delta 07 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 06, 2008, 01:08:43 AM »

Hey, its an alternative fuel. though expensive and costly to your wallet and the enviorment. and scarecrow, it produces a little less co2 than normal gas. and all the global warming crap is BS anyways so who cares

Meyer · « **Reply #18 on:** September 06, 2008, 03:01:39 AM »

and ethanol is made by slave labor. wasn't that abolished few hundred years ago? but this is going way out of topic right now.

vadereclipse · « **Reply #19 on:** September 06, 2008, 04:42:57 AM »

Quote from: Scarecrow63 on September 06, 2008, 12:15:04 AM

In my opinion, ethanol is the bigget scam just about ever. Its marketed as a way to help the environment, but thats just a big lie. The process ends up producing more co2 than normal gas, costs more than normal gas, requires more expensive engines to run on, drives up food prices worldwide, and devastates rain forests.

i totally agree. i don't see anything good about biofuels.
sure it's renewable, but it's not very environmental.
plus, it has caused huge inflation of meat prices in the USA, as all the crops are being reserved for bioethanol.
this causes inflation, and causes people to not be able to pay, and may eventually cause farmers to lose their livelihood.