Author Topic: (SPLIT) from sith empire discussion, Luke Skywalker (Read 54478 times)

GrndAdmrlPellaeon · « **Reply #140 on:** March 14, 2008, 07:58:04 PM »

This might take a while...

strike23 · « **Reply #141 on:** March 14, 2008, 09:16:46 PM »

Quote from: Dane Kiet on March 14, 2008, 02:57:29 PM

So, you think that Palpatine, who could easily have sensed Anakin and defeated Yoda, didn't let Mace win? And, i have seen no evidence that says Anakin, who has (as everyone agrees) tremendous force potential, can preform feats that Luke can't, while the opposite IS true. Luke can stealth. Name one book/movie/comc/game where Anakin can. I believe that, if Anakin had not fallen and the Jedi Order had remained intact, with Palpatine dying at aces hand (expecting Anakin to help him), then Anakin would have gotten more powerful than Luke is. But this isn't about "what if" , this is about what is.

no, im saying that while palpatine could do those things he wasnt as skilled with a lightsaber as mace is with vapaad... its showing that your logic is flawed... there is no good way to say 1 jedi is better than all others...

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #142 on:** March 14, 2008, 09:34:24 PM »

It was the Duskan league stuff where Luke could stealth. I believe (shifty eyes). And I never said Luke was better, just more powerful. Better would indicate who did the most good for the galaxy (that isn't as clear-cut). And, Mace was a test for Anakin. Palpatine had been preparing for the conflict, he just wasn't expecting it so soon.

aNaRcHiSt44 · « **Reply #143 on:** March 14, 2008, 10:14:30 PM »

I really need to do research on these topics....
Anyway, evidence is shown through words or images, so technically, I was showing evidence, even if it hasnt been proven. The proof? Look it up on Wookiepedia. Is it proven that force powers in games are exaggerated? For example; it seems in JA that you cant jump anywhere near as high as Jedi in the movies, which seems to undermine evidence from the movies. Just because lightning and grip and all that are so uber powerful, doesnt mean that they werent like that in actual canon.
Now back on topic; strike is actually correct-there isnt a good way to judge whether a Jedi is better than all others, unless you pit them against all other Jedi in a massive death match, but that would most definitely end up being degraded to chance. I think Luke did so much for the galaxy, and he is seen as one of the most heroic figures ever. Even though he fell to the dark side at one point (or so I have seen), he emerged as a pure person, uncorrupted by power.

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #144 on:** March 14, 2008, 10:17:17 PM »

This topic isn't about better, just more powerful! And the movies are the most canon sources there are, so the games are always undermined first, not the other way around.

aNaRcHiSt44 · « **Reply #145 on:** March 14, 2008, 10:28:12 PM »

I know, but people shouldnt rush to conclusions over it. It was merely an example.
The most powerful Jedi-that really is a tough one still, but like before, I go with Luke.

Meyer · « **Reply #146 on:** March 15, 2008, 03:10:16 AM »

Well Slornie has said it several times that Lucas keeps Anakin and Luke equally powerful. And what Lucas says is right. So that should end this discussion.

aNaRcHiSt44 · « **Reply #147 on:** March 15, 2008, 05:24:20 AM »

He said they were equally powerful? Well that does undermine any further arguments if it is true.

GrndAdmrlPellaeon · « **Reply #148 on:** March 15, 2008, 10:55:40 AM »

Im with Meyer. If Lucas said their potential is equal then they would have always been equal if Anakin didn't turn into Darth Vader. But if were talking about 'what is' then Luke. Vader never defeated Palpatine. But Luke defeated him (his clone, who was supposedly more powerful then before(Dark Empire)). Luke displayed so much power through out his life, did Anakin even come close to his feats at any point?

vadereclipse · « **Reply #149 on:** March 15, 2008, 12:31:06 PM »

EHEM
vader did defeat old man palpy

Meyer · « **Reply #150 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:59:14 PM »

Anakin also did great things during the clone wars. and he killed numerous jedi between 19 and 1 BBY. And it isn't sure that the clone dude was really Palpatine. that is mentioned in many sources. And there is always this talk about Luke doing many great things. but he hasn't really done anything very extraordinary. He has faced similar problems like many other jedi before him.

vadereclipse · « **Reply #151 on:** March 15, 2008, 04:09:04 PM »

luke killed shimraa! is tha not enough proof?
not to mention defeating lumiya and vader among other dark jedi.

Meyer · « **Reply #152 on:** March 15, 2008, 04:34:41 PM »

defeating lumiya, vader and other dark jedi and sith is no different from what others have done. and shimmra was mad. he was controlled by onimi and when he fled he couldn

Isamu · « **Reply #153 on:** March 15, 2008, 06:04:06 PM »

luke used the force on the yv when you couldn't even sense them in the force.

vadereclipse · « **Reply #154 on:** March 15, 2008, 06:07:42 PM »

they had the force. they were just confined to a subsector of the force not felt by jedi. qas shown by omini controlling shimraa using the force ( he could do this because he insertede yammosk tissue into his brain. (yammosks could use force on vong, as they effectively controlled them in battle.)

Isamu · « **Reply #155 on:** March 15, 2008, 06:18:00 PM »

well at least you knew what i meant.

aNaRcHiSt44 · « **Reply #156 on:** March 15, 2008, 08:57:09 PM »

Anakin did things Luke never did-Anakin participated in a full blown war as a General-Luke was more of a Commando, and he didnt even fight that much during the GCW.

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #157 on:** March 15, 2008, 09:01:40 PM »

Instead, he fought as a powerful leader against the Vong, who were far more deadly opponents.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #158 on:** March 15, 2008, 09:05:09 PM »

Are you kidding me? Luke has fought more wars than Anakin has, and was a more than a 'commando'

GCW
Thrawn Crisis
Correllian Insurrection
YV War
Dark Nest Crisis
Swarm War
Confederation-GA War

aNaRcHiSt44 · « **Reply #159 on:** March 15, 2008, 09:06:00 PM »

Woops I forgot about those. $:-\$
I cant believe I forgot all of that stuff, my memory must be really failing, and I am only 13!!

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