Author Topic: Death penalty (Read 21159 times)

Meyer · « **on:** March 06, 2008, 12:49:38 AM »

And you can discuss other penalties on this topic. and if you are neither yes to the DP or no to the DP then don't add anything like don't care and that sort of stuff. just vote if you have an opinion.

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:32:09 PM »

While I say yes, I think it should be only used when there is NO other choice, unless you want more corpses to deal with.

vadereclipse · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:37:48 PM »

i agree in the case of criminal dictators eg. milosevic(although he died before he could be) but not on the public.

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2008, 05:06:38 PM »

Basically people who can't be reformed.

Enceladus · « **Reply #4 on:** March 06, 2008, 06:12:30 PM »

I agree with it to an extent. Some of these serial killers will never stop killing no matter how much you punish them and that is a fact. I don't mean it should be used on every murder. But like killing 40 people(refering to Pigton trial in Canada) it may be necessary to implement it. I think it's pretty harsh/inhumane but it is necessary at times.

Slornie · « **Reply #5 on:** March 06, 2008, 06:31:46 PM »

I dont agree with it at all. To my mind, killing someone for what they have done is to lower yourself to their level.

Also, in some ways, death is an easy way out, instead of having to live the rest of their life with the weight of their actions on their shoulders, they get ultimate freedom ("there is no one so free as a dead man").

Isamu · « **Reply #6 on:** March 06, 2008, 07:13:47 PM »

the person has to have done some pretty serious shit to need to be killed. it also needs to be proven that he would be a danger to other inmates

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #7 on:** March 06, 2008, 07:19:19 PM »

Basically, do it if they
1. They have no remorse from the deaths they caused
2. Are likely to kill more people later on
3. There is no hope of them reforming in jail
If they feel no regret from their murders, how would they have to "live with it"?

Isamu · « **Reply #8 on:** March 06, 2008, 07:22:16 PM »

live with it as in they regret it. for all of you who are religios the bible says

Quote

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

genesis 9:6

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #9 on:** March 06, 2008, 07:25:17 PM »

I said if they don't regret it.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2008, 09:54:13 PM »

Theres a couple of reasons i say death over life

1)Costs hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to guard/keep alive a murderer
2)There are numerous cases in which life sentences have been imposed but the inmates get out through either shortening of sentence or a temporary release (dont know what the official name is of that) and they ended up killing more people
3)Prisons are a joke compared to what they used to be

Isamu · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2008, 11:11:10 PM »

Quote from: Scarecrow63 on March 06, 2008, 09:54:13 PM

Theres a couple of reasons i say death over life

1)Costs hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to guard/keep alive a murderer
2)There are numerous cases in which life sentences have been imposed but the inmates get out through either shortening of sentence or a temporary release (dont know what the official name is of that) and they ended up killing more people
3)Prisons are a joke compared to what they used to be

i agree 100%
besides the death penalty is painless now with the new lethal injections.

Meyer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2008, 12:47:41 AM »

I don't think that a serial killer would worry much about what he/she has done. So it isn't propably so much oof an punishment to them.

And I totally agree with Scarecrow. death penalty is the best solution for society. Saves lot's of tax payers money. now someone can just do a crime, get sentenced for life, and spend the rest of his/hers life behind bars while common people do work and pay his living. Only one penalty there should be: Death Penalty.

And also it's true that prisons these days are too comfy. they're more like hotels than prisons. every prison should be Quantanamo. that would change things.

As for teh method of killing I think that firing squad or hanging are the best ones to go. hanging is also very ecological (so that environmentalist keep their mouths shut).

Isamu · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2008, 01:37:51 AM »

its simple what seems better? a 200 thousand dollar a year prisoner or a $.50 injection?

Meyer · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2008, 06:06:48 AM »

and it prevents overpopulation.

Razgriz · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2008, 06:39:58 AM »

I agree 100% with the death penalty if some murder beheads 20 people and ruins so many lives he should die for it.

Slornie · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2008, 09:22:47 AM »

Quote from: Scarecrow63 on March 06, 2008, 09:54:13 PM

2)There are numerous cases in which life sentences have been imposed but the inmates get out through either shortening of sentence or a temporary release (dont know what the official name is of that) and they ended up killing more people

And thats why i also think that a Life Sentence should mean just that - No probation, no parole, no "get out of jail free" card.

Quote from: Isamu on March 06, 2008, 11:11:10 PM

besides the death penalty is painless now with the new lethal injections.

Actually, the death penalty isnt guaranteed to be painless:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7183957.stm

Quote from: Meyer on March 07, 2008, 12:47:41 AM

I don't think that a serial killer would worry much about what he/she has done. So it isn't propably so much oof an punishment to them.

And I totally agree with Scarecrow. death penalty is the best solution for society. Saves lot's of tax payers money. now someone can just do a crime, get sentenced for life, and spend the rest of his/hers life behind bars while common people do work and pay his living. Only one penalty there should be: Death Penalty.

Maybe a serial killer wouldnt feel remorse or guilt, but they lose their freedom (which is apparently something society feels is very important).

But if you have the death penalty, who decides what crimes befit death? Just murder? Or should accidental death be included? Or just not acting when seeing someone in trouble?

If you say that someone should die for killing someone, then every member of the armed forces, or police service who has killed should get the death penalty, and the executioner who performs the death penalty on others should receive it in return.

Meyer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:18:43 AM »

No. they aren't killing some innocent person just to benefit from it. and I think that death penalty should be as painful as possible. And being inside isn't probably so bad. no taxes, meals are made for you. And if someone is convicted for life it's a huge burden for the society. for people who work and live their lives according to law. for example. I do some big mass murder kill dozens of people. then what? I'll be sentenced for life life as we don't have death penalty (one day it will hopefully change) and the rest of my life all my expenses are paid by those whose loved ones I killed and even more of those who I have done nothing. Doesn't sound so great. And as I life on a country where nobody has ever sit his penalty for life but are all releases after 10-15 years, I'd be back.

Maybe all criminals from all over the world should be put on an isolated area which is cut from rest of the world by big wall and guarded 24/7. And they would get nothing but one set of clothes. and then we just sit back and wait for nature to do it's job.

Dane Kiet · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2008, 11:33:33 AM »

I agree that we should seperate those who deserve to die with those who don't. Someone who is a serial killer and won't change becasue of psycological reasons needs to die to prevent others from being killed. This isn't about punishing them, but about protecting others.

Slornie · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2008, 11:39:28 AM »

Quote from: Meyer on March 07, 2008, 10:18:43 AM

No. they aren't killing some innocent person just to benefit from it.

Oh, so all the people killed by police and soldiers deserved to die, did they?

And the executioner is killing someone just to benefit from it, since he/she is getting paid for it.

Also, what if the sentenced individual is innocent, and was falsely convicted for a crime they didnt commit? "Whoops, we killed an innocent individual, ah well".

Quote from: Meyer on March 07, 2008, 10:18:43 AM

and I think that death penalty should be as painful as possible. And being inside isn't probably so bad. no taxes, meals are made for you. And if someone is convicted for life it's a huge burden for the society. for people who work and live their lives according to law.

If, as a society, we promote universal human rights and the "humane" killing of animals, why should criminals be treated differently?

And if you think someone should be killed rather than be a burden on society, i suppose you also think that the elderly, the terminally ill, the mentally ill, and the disabled should be killed, so as to not burden the taxpayer?

Quote from: Dane Kiet on March 07, 2008, 11:33:33 AM

I agree that we should seperate those who deserve to die with those who don't. Someone who is a serial killer and won't change becasue of psycological reasons needs to die to prevent others from being killed. This isn't about punishing them, but about protecting others.

So, if someone has a mental illness, and kills someone, they should be killed, even if they couldnt help themselves?

Also, how is killing them not punishing them? And the "others" are just as protected with that person behind bars.

Poll

Do you support death penalty?

Author Topic: Death penalty (Read 21159 times)