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October 01, 2017, 07:10:31 PM

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Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« on: October 01, 2017, 07:10:31 PM »
Check the attachment I have because apparently the First Order is still using AT-ATs. Can I just ask why? They are so weak now and even if they were upgraded with better armor or weapons aren’t they still inherently flawed because of toe cables? I can’t understand why.
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October 01, 2017, 09:59:37 PMReply #1

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2017, 09:59:37 PM »
answer: WRONG.

while they may be morons, these AREN'T AT-ATs. these are "gorilla walkers" with Massive cannons on top. the things can kneel for stability and(shock) they are over twice the size.
do you know what really makes me mad? that the NR didn't make as many different SSDs as the empire. they would have won much faster had they done so. it's just not fair. but, if their were more NR SSDs, they would be absolute SUPER-CARRIERS.

but, i'm a member of the PA at heart, and my wish here is to join the ranks of grand admirals... sorry, the elite imperial alignment

October 01, 2017, 11:08:30 PMReply #2

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2017, 11:08:30 PM »
answer: WRONG.

while they may be morons, these AREN'T AT-ATs. these are "gorilla walkers" with Massive cannons on top. the things can kneel for stability and(shock) they are over twice the size.
did you not look at the image? it has a AT-AT in it. This is concept art from the Last Jedi, and their is another from the Battlefront 2 website that talks about this dlc.

I was saying why are they Still using At-Ats if they have these At-M6s?
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October 02, 2017, 03:37:01 AMReply #3

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 03:37:01 AM »
did you not look at the image? it has a AT-AT in it. This is concept art from the Last Jedi, and their is another from the Battlefront 2 website that talks about this dlc.

I was saying why are they Still using At-Ats if they have these At-M6s?

The AT-M6 do look a lot like the AT-AT's
what you have there are definitly AT-M6, but i do get the confusion.

If you look at your screenshots and look at that "Hunchback" you can tell those are AT-M6.

This is the AT-M6


Though i think the real Question is why they are still using TIE/LN Starfighters and not Interceptors, or Defenders or something even more advanced....
« Last Edit: October 02, 2017, 03:39:59 AM by Guderian »

October 02, 2017, 07:38:03 AMReply #4

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2017, 07:38:03 AM »
Guys that isn’t what I meant. Here look at this it is from Star Wars hq. You can see clearly that their are both AT-M6s and At-Ats
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October 02, 2017, 10:09:03 AMReply #5

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2017, 10:09:03 AM »
because the small faction put all their resources into snoke's destroyer, Starkiller base, a few Resurgent's and all the rest of their fleet is imperial tech. as much as disney LIKES to make massive fleets, at least after 7 they are doing the fringe group justice lore wise

my bad the pictures where small and i couldn't see them
do you know what really makes me mad? that the NR didn't make as many different SSDs as the empire. they would have won much faster had they done so. it's just not fair. but, if their were more NR SSDs, they would be absolute SUPER-CARRIERS.

but, i'm a member of the PA at heart, and my wish here is to join the ranks of grand admirals... sorry, the elite imperial alignment

October 02, 2017, 03:37:27 PMReply #6

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2017, 03:37:27 PM »
Guys that isn’t what I meant. Here look at this it is from Star Wars hq. You can see clearly that their are both AT-M6s and At-Ats

Well: Why didn't you post that earlier ^^
I only ever saw the At-M6 on those pics from earlier.

I think i will have to go with DarthRevansRevenge
They have to use whatever they can get their hands on. (Just like in the Six-Day-War of 1967 where the Syrian Army actually used a German Panzer IV from World War II
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/2surlq/captured_syrian_panzer_iv_tank_from_1967_six_day/)

Even though they have ridiculous large Super-Mega-Ultra-Monsterstardestroyers, which they shouldn't have in the first place because there is no way in hell they could get the ressources for those.

Though there is one more explanation:
This is from a time where they were going from AT-AT to AT-M6.
You can't immediatly replace an entire arsenal of Weapons you will have to slowly replace Material and Equipmet.

October 02, 2017, 05:46:01 PMReply #7

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 05:46:01 PM »
Even though they have ridiculous large Super-Mega-Ultra-Monsterstardestroyers, which they shouldn't have in the first place because there is no way in hell they could get the ressources for those.

Though there is one more explanation:
This is from a time where they were going from AT-AT to AT-M6.
You can't immediatly replace an entire arsenal of Weapons you will have to slowly replace Material and Equipmet.
Well the first order military is bullshit. According to wookiepedia they have been amassing weapons, ships, and humans in the unknown regions for decades. The other problem I have is how will we find out about the time gap between Return of the Jedi and TFA in battlefront 2 when Iden is 20-25 in the book inferno squadron. Add up the time gap between the book and the start of the game she is about 25-30. Add the gap between the Return of the jedi, and force awakens she will either be in her late 50s or early 60s. I don't see us fighting up to that point. Also their was a screenshot of a dice monitor showing flame troopers on vardos(it was some concept art)

Also did anyone notice that on Vardos, Aliens seem to actually enjoy the Empire, and some are even in high imperial positions of political and military power.
Also does Vardos and the rest of the Galaxy still think Iden is a traitor?
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October 02, 2017, 06:06:40 PMReply #8

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2017, 06:06:40 PM »
Well the first order military is bullshit. According to wookiepedia they have been amassing weapons, ships, and humans in the unknown regions for decades. The other problem I have is how will we find out about the time gap between Return of the Jedi and TFA in battlefront 2 when Iden is 20-25 in the book inferno squadron. Add up the time gap between the book and the start of the game she is about 25-30. Add the gap between the Return of the jedi, and force awakens she will either be in her late 50s or early 60s. I don't see us fighting up to that point. Also their was a screenshot of a dice monitor showing flame troopers on vardos(it was some concept art)

Also did anyone notice that on Vardos, Aliens seem to actually enjoy the Empire, and some are even in high imperial positions of political and military power.
Also does Vardos and the rest of the Galaxy still think Iden is a traitor?
To put in a realistic perspective we still use aircraft from the 50s and so on. So its not out of the realm of possibility. And if people need a commander it doesn't matter how old they are, as long as they can still fight and lead.
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October 02, 2017, 10:54:29 PMReply #9

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2017, 10:54:29 PM »
Dreadnaughts were used for centuries
Invincible dreadnoughts of the CSA lasted for millenia
Venators, Victories, ISDs, MC80s, all where used LONG after their initial conflict
Guardian last through 3 major galactic wars and existed after 44ABY, 40 years into her life

not uncommon, even in star wars
do you know what really makes me mad? that the NR didn't make as many different SSDs as the empire. they would have won much faster had they done so. it's just not fair. but, if their were more NR SSDs, they would be absolute SUPER-CARRIERS.

but, i'm a member of the PA at heart, and my wish here is to join the ranks of grand admirals... sorry, the elite imperial alignment

October 02, 2017, 10:59:12 PMReply #10

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2017, 10:59:12 PM »
Fair point, but why use a weapon your enemy can easily counter? I mean the only time old technology has been shown to beat new is in the Thrawn book, specifically when Thrawn fought in the skirmish over Umbara. Though to be fair that was quickly counter by Thrawn. I not saying it doesn't make sense form a resource perspective, but I saying from a military, and logical stand point it just seems tto dangerous and a waste of good tank crews when we have these AT-M6 Gorilla Walkers.
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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2017, 11:59:55 PM »
Fair point, but why use a weapon your enemy can easily counter? I mean the only time old technology has been shown to beat new is in the Thrawn book, specifically when Thrawn fought in the skirmish over Umbara. Though to be fair that was quickly counter by Thrawn. I not saying it doesn't make sense form a resource perspective, but I saying from a military, and logical stand point it just seems tto dangerous and a waste of good tank crews when we have these AT-M6 Gorilla Walkers.
Well it takes 3 crew to man an At At. So there's not much manpower they're wasting. Second its probably a good escort walker and a great siege platform regardless of any weaknesses. There is also another instance in new canon where old tech beats New. Leia and the Queen of Naboo take old N1 star fighters and take them to destroy the sats that are virtually destroying Naboo by changing its climate.
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October 03, 2017, 06:46:40 PMReply #12

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2017, 06:46:40 PM »
Well it takes 3 crew to man an At At. So there's not much manpower they're wasting. Second its probably a good escort walker and a great siege platform regardless of any weaknesses. There is also another instance in new canon where old tech beats New. Leia and the Queen of Naboo take old N1 star fighters and take them to destroy the sats that are virtually destroying Naboo by changing its climate.
Fair enough I will take that as a example but still wouldn't they still be outdated? Unless their armor is upgraded, resistance ground forces would crush them easily.
Also I don't really remember much from Shattered Empire except for the Darth Maul thing Leia has. I generally hate.... with a passion a one year easy wipe out of the Empire. A thirty year gap should be use to its full potential, buts it isn't. You could have the Empire offically surrender 5 years later(with some Imperial Warlords making fortress worlds) and I would honestly be fine with that. Hell go one step further, and say members of Imperial High Command Fled into the Unknown Regions, and have them slowly round up small Imperial fleets to join them. That I would actually believe is more realistic, and also allows for new stories to be told and give the Empire a great fall.

Star wars dream movie: Battle of Jakku with Kit Harington playing a Imperial Captain that Commands a Raider Corvette called LongClaw (Nice Game of thrones reference)
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October 03, 2017, 06:58:02 PMReply #13

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2017, 06:58:02 PM »
Fair enough I will take that as a example but still wouldn't they still be outdated? Unless their armor is upgraded, resistance ground forces would crush them easily.
Also I don't really remember much from Shattered Empire except for the Darth Maul thing Leia has. I generally hate.... with a passion a one year easy wipe out of the Empire. A thirty year gap should be use to its full potential, buts it isn't. You could have the Empire offically surrender 5 years later(with some Imperial Warlords making fortress worlds) and I would honestly be fine with that. Hell go one step further, and say members of Imperial High Command Fled into the Unknown Regions, and have them slowly round up small Imperial fleets to join them. That I would actually believe is more realistic, and also allows for new stories to be told and give the Empire a great fall.

Star wars dream movie: Battle of Jakku with Kit Harington playing a Imperial Captain that Commands a Raider Corvette called LongClaw (Nice Game of thrones reference)
They do have Imperial high command escape into the unknown regions though. And they brought whatever they could. And the one year thing is fine. You had both the Rebels and the Imps working to take down the Empire so it makes sense it would collapse so quickly.
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October 03, 2017, 07:14:23 PMReply #14

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 07:14:23 PM »
They do have Imperial high command escape into the unknown regions though. And they brought whatever they could. And the one year thing is fine. You had both the Rebels and the Imps working to take down the Empire so it makes sense it would collapse so quickly.
But even with people working above in shadow it shouldn't be that swift. How would everyone feel if the legends story Dark Empire took place one year after Endor? That doesn't work neither does this. Also No, It is specifically stated that No memebers of Imperial High Command Joined the First Order, infact most were murder by rouge teams of terrorists the New Republic paid to hunt down and kill Imperials. Most of the Future council is dead at that point, and we still also don't know the fate of General Veers.(Rae Slaone Doesn't count, she was evicted of her precision as a member of Imperial High Command, Also neither of the Brendal or Armitage Hux count) to quote wookiepedia "[13] In response, many Imperial nobles, technologists,[14] warlords,[4] and officers fled into the Unknown Regions in an effort to escape the prying eyes of the New Republic. They used information derived from Grand Admiral Thrawn[13] who hailed from the Chiss Ascendancy,[15] and the survey teams and droids that the late Emperor Sheev Palpatine had sent to explore the Unknown Regions"

Btw what happened to General Veers?
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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 07:36:21 PM »
But even with people working above in shadow it shouldn't be that swift. How would everyone feel if the legends story Dark Empire took place one year after Endor? That doesn't work neither does this. Also No, It is specifically stated that No memebers of Imperial High Command Joined the First Order, infact most were murder by rouge teams of terrorists the New Republic paid to hunt down and kill Imperials. Most of the Future council is dead at that point, and we still also don't know the fate of General Veers.(Rae Slaone Doesn't count, she was evicted of her precision as a member of Imperial High Command, Also neither of the Brendal or Armitage Hux count) to quote wookiepedia "[13] In response, many Imperial nobles, technologists,[14] warlords,[4] and officers fled into the Unknown Regions in an effort to escape the prying eyes of the New Republic. They used information derived from Grand Admiral Thrawn[13] who hailed from the Chiss Ascendancy,[15] and the survey teams and droids that the late Emperor Sheev Palpatine had sent to explore the Unknown Regions"

Btw what happened to General Veers?
Well you just stated from that wookiepedia quote that they did escape into it. Maybe no one has important, but still various members of the Empire. Plus The NR took Coruscant in what 2 years after Endor, considering it was the most important planet to hold in legends. That was super fast.

Also Dark Empire doesnt happen a year after endor because it wouldnt work in legends. But the empire falling in a year in canon does because of the events that take place.
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October 04, 2017, 11:11:05 AMReply #16

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2017, 11:11:05 AM »
i'm pretty sure that in Disney Cannon the Empire was never as strong. they put all their eggs in 15 baskets(each individual DS and Executor) and when those where being demolished the empire turned on itself. rather than in legends where they split into 5 major and 30+ very minor factions, in this NO ONE is loyal to the central government anymore, so they all eat each other and flee into the unknown regions when the most of the NR, now the most powerful faction in the galaxy bears down on them. also, the NR never takes the Core region, it is still the headquarters of an imperial rump state, not the first order
do you know what really makes me mad? that the NR didn't make as many different SSDs as the empire. they would have won much faster had they done so. it's just not fair. but, if their were more NR SSDs, they would be absolute SUPER-CARRIERS.

but, i'm a member of the PA at heart, and my wish here is to join the ranks of grand admirals... sorry, the elite imperial alignment

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Re: Why is the First Order still using At-Ats?
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 04:22:48 PM »
Well their are still Imperial Remnants: Governor Adehard's Iron Blockade, Mas Amidda's IR (Technically the true Empire), The First Order(The Largest, and technologically advance) and Various fortress worlds. It has also been stated that most of the other Remnants do not like the First Order, and refuse to join them
mostly because the First order is more of a terrorist group, less of a actual government.
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