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Is the Star wars galaxy doom to keep being at war

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Yes, unless another Empire Steps in going all out to keep peace
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June 02, 2017, 11:26:30 PM

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So in the arguments over the Rebels Vs the Empire I realized something
honestly the star wars galaxy is doom to almost always be at war one way or another.
the sith wars, the mandolrains wars,The clones wars, The Galactic Civil War, the Imperial Civil War, the Vong war, Second Galactic civil war, the second imperial civil war. It keeps going on with no end in sight.
Both in legends and cannon.
Is the galaxy doom to be this way always at war?
OR do we need a another Iron grip Empire that kept peace for 19 years and beyond?
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June 02, 2017, 11:41:04 PMReply #1

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 11:41:04 PM »
As long as it keeps making the mouse $$$$, it'll always be at war.
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June 03, 2017, 04:10:21 AMReply #2

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2017, 04:10:21 AM »
OR do we need a another Iron grip Empire that kept peace for 19 years and beyond?
No, you need another Old Republic which kept the peace for a 1000 years and more!
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June 03, 2017, 05:05:53 AMReply #3

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2017, 05:05:53 AM »
Is the galaxy doom to be this way always at war?

Strange as it may seem given the news we usually hear, IRL the world right now is the most peaceful it has ever been - people kill each other less than they ever have, and civil rights of varying degrees have been extended across racial, gender, religious, sexual orientation, and class lines in most of the world to a degree never before seen; in many places, including most of the West, lesser rights have even been extended to other sentient animals.  This trend has been a fairly consistent one across the arc of history, as civilizations progressed both technologically and socially.  So why don't we see something like this in Star Wars?

Well, for one, the writers like to write conflict in a medium called "Star Wars". ;) But let's stick to in-universe explanations, but viewed through the lessons of reality.  I tend to think there are two main factors at play:

1) The Force.  In reality, one person may be stronger than another, but only to a point - in Star Wars, that point doesn't truly exist, as you will have one person with the sheer physical and mental power of millions or billions, able to annihilate them with his mind alone.  Superpowers being possessed by individuals throws off the balance of power that helps regulate normal interactions between various beings, as well as instilling a sense of superiority in the wielder of such powers when compared to those who lack them; just think of the various comic book universes with superheroes and how rarely they find long-term periods of peace and happiness for all.  Throughout history, as the power of the state to regulate violence within itself has grown, that violence has diminished because no matter how strong you personally are you can't take on the cops or the army by yourself, and they will remain a check on your actions - but this does not apply to a sufficiently powerful Force-wielder.  Add to this the personally corrupting and addictive effects of long-term use of Dark Side powers, and you have a perfect recipe for brewing beings that will constantly throw society into upheaval.

2) Stagnation.  Both technologically and socially, the galactic society has been almost exactly as it is for thousands of years.  If anything changes technologically, it is usually not some new invention but some old tech that has been lost over time and is rediscovered, such as cloaking devices or cloning.  But in reality, technological growth has been a constant driving force behind social changes, especially communications technology - and in Star Wars there is no true technological growth.  The GA fought the Vong with pretty much the same technology that the Old Republic fought the Great Hyperspace War with: hyperspace drives, blaster weaponry, energy shields, holocommunications, combat droids of equivalent complexity, etc.  And the social situation largely reflects this stagnation: with the exception of the Imperial period after Palpatine converted the Republic, for 20,000 years the Republic had remained largely democratic (at least at the intersystem scale), with democratic norms such as freedom of the press, abolition of slavery and legal equality between species, religious tolerance, etc.  While these aren't bad social norms, they also don't really change except for some small periods of regression to less civilized norms, most notably the Imperial era under Palpatine, which then are largely bounced back from - there's no progress towards a yet "better" society, no sense that rights are continually being expanded to those that deserve but do not yet have them (such as droids, for instance, whose rights largely remain unchanged for millennia).  In short, they're not learning and improving socially, so whatever structural problems the society has are going to continue to express themselves at intervals over time, usually in the forms of civil war or other social upheaval.  Those upheavals tend not to last, and the democratic norms reinstate themselves across most of the galaxy, but they cause a lot of damage before they're done.

June 03, 2017, 07:51:52 AMReply #4

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2017, 07:51:52 AM »
In terms of not being in a state of outright war, the old republic was doing very well (1000 years of peace) until the Sith showed up. The fact of the matter is, that until the clone wars (guess who's fault) most of the galaxy was undivided (unknown regions are cheating by not being accessible) in the last 20'000 years of galactic history conflict has been mainly a) Sith (why can't they ever stay dead)
B) Mandolorians (though they've been getting weaker as time goes on)
C) pirates and stuff
The Vong are kind of an exception to all this, and are likely a one off threat.
If the Sith just all died in the yuzan Vong war for some reason. Galactic peace would have been restored pretty much indefinitely.
No need for another empire at all. Seriously, why not democracy?

June 03, 2017, 12:10:37 PMReply #5

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2017, 12:10:37 PM »
Well it IS the Star WARS galaxy lol not the Star Peace galaxy. It's kind of in the name.
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June 12, 2017, 07:17:18 PMReply #6

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2017, 07:17:18 PM »
I dont just look at the galaxy at war, I kind look at the whole sith jedi thing. For example.....When you consider their whole history, Darth Vader, Chosen one, prophecy. It does not seem quite as meaningful knowing its all one big album on replay.

July 03, 2017, 03:20:29 PMReply #7

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2017, 03:20:29 PM »
well, may not be an answer related to canon or lore, but yea. War is interesting, keeps the cogs moving, easier to create content and storylines. a star wars universe in perpetual peace would inevitably mean stagnation. there's only so many, "hunt pirates, mercenaries, bandits, corrupt bureaucrats, etc" arcs before you start running out of ideas.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2017, 02:16:14 AM by Snafu3 »

July 07, 2017, 09:55:40 PMReply #8

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 09:55:40 PM »
bureaucrats.. The true rulers of the republic....in the pockets of the trade federation..

July 09, 2017, 06:10:20 PMReply #9

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2017, 06:10:20 PM »
eh I don't know about that. how much inflluence did the Trade Federation even have after the establishment of the empire? I assume they took a pretty big hit, and were nationalized like the Banking Clans were, right?

July 10, 2017, 05:17:15 PMReply #10

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2017, 05:17:15 PM »
eh I don't know about that. how much inflluence did the Trade Federation even have after the establishment of the empire? I assume they took a pretty big hit, and were nationalized like the Banking Clans were, right?

Actually, I just like that quote/line . palps says it to Padme in the phantom menace.

July 11, 2017, 02:26:29 PMReply #11

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 02:26:29 PM »
Actually, I just like that quote/line . palps says it to Padme in the phantom menace.

oh lol, haven't watched the prequels in a long time

July 11, 2017, 07:57:09 PMReply #12

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2017, 07:57:09 PM »
Well I mean it's IN the name, Star WARS, not Star Peace lol. It's even called the Star Wars galaxy, kinda predicates war in it
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July 11, 2017, 11:36:20 PMReply #13

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Re: Is the star wars Galaxy curse with a war that never needs
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2017, 11:36:20 PM »
Well it IS the Star WARS galaxy lol not the Star Peace galaxy. It's kind of in the name.

Well I mean it's IN the name, Star WARS, not Star Peace lol. It's even called the Star Wars galaxy, kinda predicates war in it

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