Problems in Africa

[Meyer]

can't really understand what you try to say, kalo.

And yes USA sells guns to government but still they end up in the hands of guergillas. And personally I don't care if every last man in Africa dies. I'm just sick of the news feeding bullshit to us. It's always said it's our fault. Why don't they do something themselves. All I have ever seen is some refugees just sitting on their asses while they receive foreign aid. Which also ends up to guergillas. And corruption is easily removed. People just have to say no. If it doesn't work use force. Don't just accept all shit what the "upper" class people throw on you.

[Enceladus]

1. Please spell guerrilla right.
2. Stop stereotyping.
3. They can't f*cking do anything in a f*cking refugee camp. They are under armed guard and are kept there to protect them from the dangers of their country. They can't do anything in te camp because there is the danger of rebels and other dangerous people geting in.
4. You can't discern who recieves the aid, they all live together and for most rebels it is a side life to be fighting. They work and then if it is needed they fight.
5.Corruption is not easily removed, it never will be removed. Greed is part of the human nature and we can try but we will never fix that problem.
6. Force does sh*t all. It screwed up in Iraq against guerrilla warfare, it sure as hell will fail in Africa.
7. You realize you just said that you don't give a flying f*ck if 832,000,000 people die. That is just despicable

[Meyer]

you think so? Would you rather have them all to brought to western world where they will be safe from guerrillas? Would you rather have us send them aid every year so they can waste it to something useless? You say I'm despicable. I say I'm realist. I realize that it doesn't matter how much aid we send, they always want more. As I said before they benefit more when they receive aid than trying to do something themselves. Besides, human being is, as you said, greedy and always looks out for the number one: himself. I don't want that problems in Africa spread to other continents as well. Which they I believe if this goes on long enough. If it means that everyone in Africa has to die to ensure that Europe survives, so be it.

And I still say they brought it on themselves. Everything started to go downhill after they received independence. And now they scream our help to solve it.

[Enceladus]

I don't remember at all saying I wanted all of them brought to the Western world. Could you please point that out in my post? Being a realist is not letting millions die. That's a lazy ass that doesn't even try to acomplish something in this world. There are logical ways to solve this but it will take time.

[Meyer]

I didn't say you said that bring to western world. but that's what is happening all the time. Or do you plan to keep them on the refuge camps forever? They seek shelter from, for example, Europe. If we turn them away we are the montsters. If we take them they get fax free living. And I should like them because they messed things too bad in their own country that they come to live in mine, while working population pays their living by paying taxes? I think not. Prize of independence is that you have to solve your own problems.

And why should I try to accomplish something to make world a better place? the global warning is going to destroy Earth in few decades they say. Not that I believe but it's a good excuse.  

And now that I have proven I can write guerrilla correctly, I think I start writing it wrongly again just to annoy you Enceladus. Because that's the kind of a guy I am: pain in the ass.

[vadereclipse]

I didn't say you said that bring to western world. but that's what is happening all the time. Or do you plan to keep them on the refuge camps forever? They seek shelter from, for example, Europe. If we turn them away we are the montsters. If we take them they get fax free living. And I should like them because they messed things too bad in their own country that they come to live in mine, while working population pays their living by paying taxes? I think not. Prize of independence is that you have to solve your own problems.

And why should I try to accomplish something to make world a better place? the global warning is going to destroy Earth in few decades they say. Not that I believe but it's a good excuse.  

And now that I have proven I can write guerrilla correctly, I think I start writing it wrongly again just to annoy you Enceladus. Because that's the kind of a guy I am: pain in the ass.

does it not even disturb you that you have a humanitarian record similar to josef stalin? killing innocent people means shit to you. if i were you, i would want to be locked up for fascist, borderline-nazi views. and america taking over africa? you are a misguided idiot, politicaly.

[Scarecrow63]

All you do Meyer is blame every world problem on the US

[Kalo]

Global Warming hasn't even been prooved to be so dangerous, More like it's been proved but it's not doing shit.



And i'm saying shut up because you really don't know what you're talking about.

And Scarecrow nailed it, That's what every Foreign Country likes to do i've noticed. (Most of them)

[Slornie]

Well, seeing as the USA is supposedly the most powerful nation in the world, with the largest economy.. Who better to blame?

[vadereclipse]

usa are guilty of a lot, but they are not responsible for africa' problem. my opinion, it is mainly british fault (empire) but also french (also empire) and netherlands (also empire). my point? empires are bad.

[Scarecrow63]

I'd say it is mainly the fault of those who attended the Berlin Conference in 1884, thats where they decided how they were going to divide up Africa between themselves

[Meyer]

All I do is talk. That's my way of getting attention. I don't care what USA does as long as they leave me alone.

And you Scarecrow are wrong. I don't blame everything on USA. I also blame jews, muslims, russians, immigrants and most importantly EU. Although I mostly blame EU on their doings in Europe because that's the place where it operates. But as Slornie said, USA is supposedly the most powerful country. And why don't I blame someone else than USA in these forums? Which one of you cares what happens in EU?

Kalo, you are absolutely right. The effects of Global Warming are exaggerated. And why do you think most countries blame usa on most things? Look in a mirror and you find your answers.

And vadereclipse. first you call me equal to stalin for some unknown reason and then you say I'm a nazi. A bit weird if you ask me. And if I were to cause the death of everyone in Africa at least I would be remembered in history books. Maybe with some added name like "The Butcher of Africa".

And to all three of you, I have one question. If you had to choose wheter you cause the death of everybody in Africa or USA, which one would you choose?

And if you don't like my idea of what to do about Africa, please tell me your suggestions. Should we all send them money?Should we allow them to slave us to "repay" for what was done to them? I'm all ears.

[Slornie]

Which one of you cares what happens in EU?

I care what happens in the EU, since it directly affects me here in the UK.

If you had to choose wheter you cause the death of everybody in Africa or USA, which one would you choose?

I would choose neither.  There is no reason for causing the death of anyone anywhere.  Killing does not solve anything.

And if you don't like my idea of what to do about Africa, please tell me your suggestions. Should we all send them money?Should we allow them to slave us to "repay" for what was done to them? I'm all ears.

We should continue providing aid to those in need (which isnt exclusively those in Africa); food, water, education, healthcare, infrastructure development, etc.  Without such aid they will be locked into poverty, unable to develop in the modern, globalised world.

We should write off their international debts, since the odds are we wont get the money back anyhow, and at the moment, any money they do make tends to be barely sufficient to cover the interest on those loans.

We should encourage economic, cultural and political development; promoting free trade (without any strings or provisos attached), encouraging local customs (rather than pressing "western" ideas onto them), supporting democracy (and the human rights those people deserve).

Sure, this costs money, but the developed world has far more wealth than it needs - It isnt the people in the poorer nations who are greedy as you suggest, it is those in the affluent developed countries, who consume and dispose without a care for others, or the environment.

[Meyer]

Which one of you cares what happens in EU?

I care what happens in the EU, since it directly affects me here in the UK.

If you had to choose wheter you cause the death of everybody in Africa or USA, which one would you choose?

I would choose neither.  There is no reason for causing the death of anyone anywhere.  Killing does not solve anything.

But in here don't live in EU area and that question was pointed to them. but good to know there is someone who cares for things done in EU. And for the other the whole point of the question is you have to choose one.

And you just said the most important reason why aid send to Africa doesn't affet so greatly as it could. Those who have money, living mostly in Europe and USA, don't want to give it up. So the burden is on the tax payers who can barely make a living themselves. And that's my point. People have enough problem in Europe and USA to care about Africa.

I fixed the quoting Meyer.
~Enceladus~

[Scarecrow63]

you just quoted his post quoting your post?

[Slornie]

And for the other the whole point of the question is you have to choose one.

Perhaps, but my point is that, apart from the inconceivable possibility of causing the death of all those in the USA or Africa, deliberately causing the death of even one person, be it through accident or design, is something i consider to be morally wrong.  And that killing anyone does not actually solve anything, and is just a pointless waste of life.

So the burden is on the tax payers who can barely make a living themselves.

Yet, the "barely make a living" as you call it, is a considerably improved state of existence to that of many people in less developed countries.  Those who "barely make a living" in developed countries dont starve, and have access to education, healthcare, fresh and clean water supplies, which is the norm in many less developed countries.

People have enough problem in Europe and USA to care about Africa.

Yet people do care.  All the numerous charities raising money to help people in Africa, the appeals after major disasters, the broad news coverage.  Then there is the high position afforded to Africa, international development, and aid in both national and international politics.


EDIT:

you just quoted his post quoting your post?

No, he is replying to my post, but has accidentally put the quote formatting in the wrong place.  I would fix it, but Beta Testers dont have mod powers.

[Scarecrow63]

No, he is replying to my post, but has accidentally put the quote formatting in the wrong place.  I would fix it, but Beta Testers dont have mod powers.

Neither do bad kittys 

[vadereclipse]

And vadereclipse. first you call me equal to stalin for some unknown reason and then you say I'm a nazi. A bit weird if you ask me. And if I were to cause the death of everyone in Africa at least I would be remembered in history books. Maybe with some added name like "The Butcher of Africa".

no, i said you are as about as humanitarian as stalin, and have political views not far away from hitler at all. it  disgusts me.  EU has only had major power since late 60s. there were famines then, genius. amnd what about christian missionaries? have they not stirred up trouble?

[GrndAdmrlPellaeon]

Im so sorry I missed the debate.



Vadereclipse could you rewrite your post. I mean no offense, you were probably in a hurry.

[vadereclipse]

done.