Author Topic: Who came closest (Read 32532 times)

Meyer · « **on:** October 14, 2007, 11:52:16 AM »

who came closest in your mind? My answer is Thrawn.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2007, 12:35:43 PM »

The Emporer, Thrawn did a wonderful job but the NR were still stronger than the rebs were after Hoth

Slornie · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2007, 12:44:29 PM »

Statistically, the Emperor was closest, since at that point the Rebel Alliance was very weak. But i feel that Thrawn was closest to destroying them, since his strategy was far more successful/destructive than Palpatine's.

Meyer · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2007, 01:23:14 PM »

yeah. Palpatine just trusted to super weapons like Death Stars. and both were destroyed. Thrawn would have defeated the rebels if he hadn't been killed in Bilbringi. And had Thrawn win the battle of Bilbringi the NR would have been weaker than rebels after Hoth.

Slornie · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2007, 01:42:17 PM »

Well, the rebels wouldnt have been weaker than Hoth after Bilbringi.. Sure, they would have suffered a massive defeat - but they would still have more resources and support than after Hoth.

Meyer · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:03:04 PM »

I think that many would have withdrew their support after that. and losing a whole sector fleet is quite disastrous. and you have to remember the internal problems between Ackbar and Fey'lya. Fey'lya would have propably wanted to get someone else to lead the fleet after that defeat.

Slornie · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:46:32 PM »

Even if a large number did withdraw their support, the NR would still have been in a much better position than the Alliance was after Hoth.

Im not all that sure that Ackbar would have survived the battle to command the fleet afterwards, even if Fey'lya had been willing to let him.. Although if he did survive, i would have thought the other members of the council would still support Ackbar - since he was pretty much the best tactician they had.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2007, 04:32:59 PM »

And you have to remember, after bilbringi the NR would still have had actual shipyards and planets and fleets, unlike the alliance after Hoth

Meyer · « **Reply #8 on:** October 15, 2007, 12:39:52 AM »

well alliance had none of those before Hoth either so. And you have to remember that remaining NR fleets were already fighting against Thrawn or imperial warlords all over the Galaxy. And wasn't it Thrawn's intention to let Ackbar survive the battle and act as an messenger of doom? And you have to remeber all the chaos there were conserning Thrawn and his attacks.

Slornie · « **Reply #9 on:** October 15, 2007, 04:47:22 AM »

But at Hoth the Alliance lost a lot of their heavy gear in the rushed evacuation.

Yes a lot of the NR forces were committed in other engagements, but there is always something left.

Yes, it was Thrawn's intention to let Ackbar's cruiser survive the battle and act as messenger - But (as Arbiter put it):

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You know how imperials are
"I destroyed the great Admiral Fishsticks, reward me!"

In the height of battle, it would easily possible for the Imperials to become overzealous and forget about that directive. And gifted as Thrawn is, he cant be everywhere at once, and doesnt have direct control of all his officers and crews.

Meyer · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2007, 07:47:02 AM »

good points you made. but after Hoth rebels lost only land gear. at Bilbringi they would have lost large number of their heavy star ships, including many MCCs. and without fleet to transport, the land gear is useless as it can be blasted from orbit. and at Bilbringi I doubt Thrawn would have permitted his troops to act on themselves and forgetting his plan.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2007, 06:53:55 PM »

But its not like the NR used all of their ships at Bilbringi

Sure it was most if not all of their offensive fleet elements, but they still had fleets

And also consider this is about who came closest, even if they had lost at Bilbringi, the NR would still have easily ten times the forces and resources of the alliance after Hoth

Meyer · « **Reply #12 on:** October 16, 2007, 12:42:14 AM »

but also different tactics, enemies and problems. The numbers aren't only factor on this equasion. during rebellion they had one enemy and guergilla tactics. now they have many enimies, including warlords and worlds they have to defend.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2007, 06:29:12 PM »

But they were still stronger, after Hoth was the lowest of the low not counting the beginning
After Hoth the only thing the Allaince had was pretty much a small fleet

GrndAdmrlPellaeon · « **Reply #14 on:** October 16, 2007, 09:40:05 PM »

All the officers adored Thrawn! Only a few would ever disobey his orders, no matter how abstract. Zahn demonstrated it many times in his books.

Meyer · « **Reply #15 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:35:11 AM »

and even if NR was stronger adter bilbringi than rebels after hoth they didn't face as good commander after hoth as Thrawn.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 17, 2007, 06:15:12 PM »

But thats not the point, what might have happened is theory and prediction, none of that really matters, and the NR won at Bilbringi might i remind you

Meyer · « **Reply #17 on:** October 18, 2007, 02:36:44 AM »

yeah. but this topic isn't about ho won bilbringi. this is about who imperial leader came closest to destroy NR during civil war. otherwise it would be YV who actually destroyed it.

GrndAdmrlPellaeon · « **Reply #18 on:** October 18, 2007, 07:42:41 AM »

We are talking about Imperials.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 18, 2007, 11:16:48 AM »

Quote from: Meyer on October 18, 2007, 02:36:44 AM

yeah. but this topic isn't about ho won bilbringi. this is about who came closest to destroy NR during civil war. otherwise it would be YV who actually destroyed it.

Exactly, its about who came closest, and I just dont see how after Hoth wasn't the weakest moment

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Which Imperial leader came closest to destroy the rebellion/NR?

Author Topic: Who came closest (Read 32532 times)