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October 10, 2014, 01:06:32 PM

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Topic of canon calculation.
« on: October 10, 2014, 01:06:32 PM »
You already Know how SW canon work if you have read the Lucas Film magazine when you were kid. To anwser question about why ligth saber can't cut that, they just take the wiki and their mind. That's fine.. But on the story line ouch... Their many exeprt wich the same Knowledge than big fan and try to immagine they explain there own version and it's often wrong ! You Know star war live more in fan mind than canon... You can see that on the Revan story line :

It's written by different hands with different version and point of view of the character....

And there is more thing non canon than actualy canon even the v-155 ion canon seen in the episode V is considered as non canon... WTF?
Republic commando are non canon but all their apperence egender by the game and the books are canon... WTF?
Is george lucas :
"How many thing need to be reviewed and be determined to be canon or not?
-blablala
-Too many just put them legend...
-bablabla
-Ha exept this one we could make money on it."

Perhaps is true and SW is an extented universe... And I think George lucas con't own it because he don't creat everything !
And I particulary love this quote :
"The only canon mattering, is my personnal canon."
Thats true but sometime we really need canon calculations....
For example :
http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/star-wars-new-canon-calculations.297091/
Read this.
In nerd figth it migth help.
The same fore power of the shield and turbo laser depending of time line and factions....

Primary target Stouker rifle Fusil à concussion stouker in fren I prefer the french name because it's a concussion weapon...
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October 10, 2014, 05:07:30 PMReply #1

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Re: Topic of canon calculation.
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 05:07:30 PM »
This was basically why Disney decided on the reboot. The books in particular were vulnerable to retcon wars between authors, various media stepped on each other's toes, and it took years to establish cohesive timelines for projects like The Clone Wars and The Old Republic (the latter of which will forever remain undetermined, since the reboot came before any canon judgments).  Not to mention the only general canon guidelines: the movies came first and TCW second, and most of pre-ROTJ EU was in a lower tier, a lot of it was up for grabs. Also the bazillion plot holes: sure, most of the films' characters got names and backstories, but countless EU characters are one-scene wonders.

What we see here is the very ugly side of the EU and, ultimately, why Disney decided having the Story Team sort through 35 years of this wasn't worth it and decided to just scrap it and start over.

That, at least, is my opinion.
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October 10, 2014, 06:12:41 PMReply #2

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Re: Topic of canon calculation.
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 06:12:41 PM »
I believe I've stated my mind on canon before, but here goes anyway. I don't dislike the Story Group for bombing the EU into Legends, which they needed to do anyway for the sequel movies. I dislike them for restricting the number of future Star Wars stories that can be told because of their stranglehold on official timeline. Look at the original trilogy era EU. Starting with the Marvel comics, there are dozens of overlapping stories. There is some good, some bad, yet all of them have some of the best-loved Star Wars characters in their prime. Railroading the future canon means fewer stories by fewer authors.

The vast majority of reviews for A New Dawn have been positive. Tarkin is written by Luceno. I am going read both as soon as I can get my hands on them. That doesn't make any of the previous pre-ANH EU any less worth reading. And if they decide to rewrite the backstory for Han or Lando, I don't mind even though I loved both of their book trilogies. Living in a world where we are surrounded by societal rules and regulations, Star Wars should be about a wealth of stories, not canon wars.

October 10, 2014, 06:47:17 PMReply #3

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Re: Topic of canon calculation.
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 06:47:17 PM »
No matter disney. If the reboot is good we take it ! we are the fan of SW WE decide what's rtue or not. Disney cannot attack all points., espcialy about calculation about weapon's power like stouker rifle etc etc...... SO no matter...

TWC canon... We should take like Hideo Kojima tell to his fan to take MGS portable OPS as a partial canon.
Becaus ein te moovie General grievous already encounter Kenobi but they never figth because the figth between grievous and Kenobi, Grievous say "fool Doku train me to your Jedi arts." That's mean it was their first figth so all the figth between grievous and kenobi in the TWC II (Because to me the real TWC is the one which is made with real animted drawing... Not with PC texture even if that's the one which I've saw in first...)
Clone personality that's clear that clone never desobey.... Only the first generation of specs ops (most of them ARC that's why in Battle front the guy who tell his story have a personnality it's an first generation ARC Like the guys on muunlist Ten...) And second generation commando clones : Have a perssonality !!!
O.K they have implants in their brain... But that's to make them servil only

I'm more holonet than wookiepedia you know....

You Know most of the ugly EU can be review and reworked to be good !!!!! (Exept vong crap those.. Rhôô I like the idea of the weakness of democraticale regim thing, and be invade from outsider -well I admit the second one is not unanime-.. But be beaten by such primitiv crap and coruscant taken by those No simply no...)
I don't Like the Idea of remooving the sun crusher galactique gun ECLIPSE 2 WICH IS NOW MORE EMBLAMTIQUE THAN THE EXECUTOR !!!!
That's also mean JA non canon.. So no Tenloss disruptor and this weapon has became Iconic.... Comon it's coller than the binary rifle in Halo 4 !!!!
Because Byss is an ateroïd field in JA because it get destroyed by the galaxy gun !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comme on Now the new tendance is exterminatus does SW need to stay on base 0 and the death star? Why not axial super laser, cun crusher (XD so op, I like the Idea of size dosen't matter looke the video at 1:10 after you will know what I mean) Snip planet with cylone topedo like in warhammer 40 000 but those munition have shield and gun and the same effect than the little doctor
in ender game :
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YuGHxl_jpl4/UnQHxZFbh9I/AAAAAAAAhFY/kv7kYm26Ezo/s1600/FR_LittleDoc_Ilo_120517_HERO_RS+copy.jpg
See also the galactic torpedo assault sphre
Warhammer have also ton of maner exterminatus fleet virus bomb The cyclones torpedos.
Halo have the "vitrification", or glassification if you want... Hand the Halo !!!




I don't want that deasapearing !!!!!


Anyway this topic is about calculations like the umbarian long range missile stouker concussion rifle. Etc etc.. The power of protonic torpedo and shield go up with the time so dosen't matter..
Or just give a name to the venator energy beam wich is actually called nergy beam by canon, and venator super laser by fan.
(Because now axial super laser is popular...)
I also like the multiple version of storyline aspect... You Know like ocarina of time wich give 3 embranchements.... (2 at the begining....)
So we migth have calculation about ships from Forces of corruptions..
But here we are on forgoted weapon wich should be more iconic...
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October 10, 2014, 07:36:51 PMReply #4

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Re: Topic of canon calculation.
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 07:36:51 PM »
This was basically why Disney decided on the reboot. The books in particular were vulnerable to retcon wars between authors, various media stepped on each other's toes, and it took years to establish cohesive timelines for projects like The Clone Wars and The Old Republic (the latter of which will forever remain undetermined, since the reboot came before any canon judgments).  Not to mention the only general canon guidelines: the movies came first and TCW second, and most of pre-ROTJ EU was in a lower tier, a lot of it was up for grabs. Also the bazillion plot holes: sure, most of the films' characters got names and backstories, but countless EU characters are one-scene wonders.

What we see here is the very ugly side of the EU and, ultimately, why Disney decided having the Story Team sort through 35 years of this wasn't worth it and decided to just scrap it and start over.

That, at least, is my opinion.

No, the real reason always has to do with money and the feeling that they have to leave a "mark" on whatever they are working with. They can sell a whole new voluminous selection of books and it will be THEIR Star Wars, not someone else's. It lets them take all the credit.

To be honest, what irks me the most isn't that there is now Legends and Canon; it's that they are no longer supporting any additions to Legends material, something that they could have easily continued (Marvel has Cinematic and Comic Universes, which are supported equally).
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October 11, 2014, 02:15:42 AMReply #5

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Re: Topic of canon calculation.
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2014, 02:15:42 AM »
To be honest, what irks me the most isn't that there is now Legends and Canon; it's that they are no longer supporting any additions to Legends material, something that they could have easily continued (Marvel has Cinematic and Comic Universes, which are supported equally).

Indeed.

October 11, 2014, 06:19:54 AMReply #6

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Re: Topic of canon calculation.
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 06:19:54 AM »
Spread time-line, guys you have your own canon version and you can use spread time-line !!! Remeber choose dark side or ligth side and it happen something different !!!! Couldn't erase (But Yhea I'd like the vong story being erased...)

But look at this especialy the world devastator. I like what they said the comic was bad but the idea of world devastor was good !!!

http://starwarsdakota.blogspot.fr/2011/07/top-10-star-wars-super-weapons.html

That's why we should keep some ideas, even from bad prodcutions....
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October 11, 2014, 06:31:27 AMReply #7

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Re: Topic of canon calculation.
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2014, 06:31:27 AM »
P.S : The warhead of the galaxy gun is 75 hyper drines don't know if that's normal hyper-drive like he said, or realy fast...
I have a lack of notion about speed and hyper space motor in SW even if I've played to X-WA
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