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December 22, 2013, 01:15:11 PM

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If Thrawn was able to convince the Pentastar Alignment and the various warlords join his attack on the New Republic I believe it is safe to say the Rebels would have burned.  My question is could they survive Operation: Shadow Hand if the Clone Emperor decided to take offense to the replacement Empire or would they be absorbed into the Dark Empire? Furthermore, which of these Empires would fair better against the Yuuzhan Vong invasion?
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December 22, 2013, 06:03:37 PMReply #1

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 06:03:37 PM »
There is only 1 truth.  Plot Bunnies.  Because of these, he would have still lost because the writers wanted him to lose.  Someone would have left a screw loose in the Reaper that would have caused the targeting computers to malfunction and turn on Thrawn and then it would have rolled over and caused the engines to explode.  Then they would have discovered a hive-like virus in the entire Enforcer production line that would cause every one of them to beging to attack their own starbases.  Once that was complete, Delvardus would have hyper jumped the Night Hammer into a star while attempting to attack the Rebels and the other warlords would accidentally hyper into a black hole.
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December 22, 2013, 10:45:05 PMReply #2

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 10:45:05 PM »
What if we sic plot wolves on the plot bunnies?
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December 23, 2013, 01:46:35 AMReply #3

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2013, 01:46:35 AM »
If Thrawn was able to convince the Pentastar Alignment and the various warlords join his attack on the New Republic I believe it is safe to say the Rebels would have burned.  My question is could they survive Operation: Shadow Hand if the Clone Emperor decided to take offense to the replacement Empire or would they be absorbed into the Dark Empire? Furthermore, which of these Empires would fair better against the Yuuzhan Vong invasion?

Well, he'd have to be absorbed by the Dark Empire as Palpatine would have had more force just above Byss than Thrawn and the PA had all together, not to mention Palps IS the Emperor. Personally every time the Empire united it devastated the NR only to fall to plot bunnies in the end. That said I think Thrawn's ideas were better vs the Yuuzhan Vong as Reborn palps planned to make everything Dark Side to the point he didn't need weapons.
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December 23, 2013, 02:32:28 PMReply #4

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2013, 02:32:28 PM »
Oh yeah, those plot bunnies pretty much just saves the day for the NR as a whole against a massive reunification of Imperial Forces during the brink of disaster.

Otherwise, Thrawn with mass resources backing him up added with the resources he has during his campaign means NR is screwed...If those plot bunnies simply wouldn't find ways to sneak in because yeah, with those, Thrawn's campaign would be effective as Hell...then expect very little details that were overlooked to bite him in the ass.

December 24, 2013, 03:40:17 AMReply #5

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2013, 03:40:17 AM »
Indeed
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January 04, 2014, 09:10:31 PMReply #6

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Honestly, when I look at the EU, particularly Thrawn Trilogy and the Dark Empire, I think three things...

For starters, lets look at the latter.  The Dark Empire, in my opinion, was created to fill the void left by Grand Admiral Thrawn's death.  If Thrawn had lived, if he had destroyed Admiral Ackbar's Assault Fleet and the Smuggler's Alliance at Bilbringi, then I have no doubt that he would have convinced the other Imperial Warlords and factions to finally submit themselves beneath him and pretty much annihilate the New Republic.  However, while I think the Dark Empire was an interesting series in itself, I still believe it was dumb because all they did was reincarnate Sidious and have the Empire turn on itself again. 

Next is the events of Dark Force Rising and The Last Command, or more importantly the Noghri.  The Chiss did not believe in the concept of slavery and Thrawn was no exception.  When you read the Vision of the Future Duology and books like Choices of One and Outbound Flight, you will know that from his own personal beliefs and the way he views other species with practical equality rather than servitude shows that he would not willingly make the Noghri slaves.  I mean Vader did that and all I thought after reading the other books about Thrawn was 'Why were the noghri slaves under Thrawn?'  I'd call it a hole, but Timonthy Zahn doesn't make holes or at least he doesn't write himself into a corner.  I do not see why Thrawn wouldn't try to move them off the planet to a new one where they can grow and still have them serve beneath him as his Commandos, let alone move them into the Empire of the Hand instead. 

Look at them now though.  They practically worship Leia and she 'uses' them for her family's own protection.  I call that slavery and the worst thing is they do it because she is Vader's daughter and because she 'helped' them. 

And lastly, possibly the best thing, is Thrawn himself.  He was a strategic and tactical genius and unlike Palpatine and Vader, he inspired the men under his command and gave them actual hope for victory and reformation of the Empire.  He was charismatic, pragmatic, cunning and patient, who used everything to his advantage and wasn't above accepting the suggestions and ideas of his men to achieve his goals, which were to prepare the galaxy for a war unlike any other and ultimately bring about peace.  While yes, there were indeed multiple events that occurred which even his genius would not be able to process all at once, such as the destruction of Mt. Tantiss and Rukh's ultimate betrayal of him, I do not doubt for a single minute that if Thrawn had lived and if the Dark Empire never happened, then the galaxy would very well have had a new Chiss Emperor as their leader.  Not without resistance mind you, but still it would have occurred. 

And while my name may suggest biased opinion, its still my opinion overall.  You all may have something different to say, but I would welcome them because its fun to talk about what I love with other people who share my interest.  I don't have that out here, even though my homies are there for me and we chill and go clubbin and shit, and I love knowing that I can talk about this stuff with you all. 
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January 06, 2014, 08:47:26 AMReply #7

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You make excellent points Emperor Thrawn, and had Thrawn won at Bilbringi Kaine would have committed his entire Alignment...including Reaper to the War effort
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January 10, 2014, 05:06:37 PMReply #8

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Yeah, without any factors that goes against Thrawn (like say he was ruthless enough to off the people who would eventually be part of his downfall off the bat), he gets the Galaxy back in Imperial hands fairly well on track.

And various factions would no doubt commit to Thrawn's forces had he won at Bilbringi, he's fighting a very effective war against the NR and unlike those before him, Thrawn is doing this with limited resources and manpower.

Course, I do think once Palpatine emerges from Byss will Thrawn step down and hand Palp's the reins. I do believe for Thrawn, the Empire of the Hand is his baby and he only needed to head back to known space just to get the Empire on track. Once Palpatine, whose pretty much already an effective leader, is back will Thrawn be heading back to the Unknown Regions to continue working on the Empire of the Hand.

And since the NR is severely weakened thanks to Thrawn, Palp's and his superior forces will be doing what the NR has been doing to the Empire; mopping duty.

Again, if Thrawn was willing to be ruthless towards certain people, this is a possible scenario.

January 10, 2014, 06:30:10 PMReply #9

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I think Thrawn would get rid of the crazy clone palps


January 10, 2014, 06:41:11 PMReply #10

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2014, 06:41:11 PM »
I think Thrawn would get rid of the crazy clone palps

lol good point.

To be somewhat fair, it's only until he kept dying and switching bodies did Palp became quite crazy.

He was fairly stable compared to C'Baoth's clone until the heroes kept killing him. From then on, it's nothing but using that Galaxy Gun on them NR before the Plot Bunnies caught up to him :laugh:

January 11, 2014, 11:06:55 PMReply #11

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2014, 11:06:55 PM »
lol good point.

To be somewhat fair, it's only until he kept dying and switching bodies did Palp became quite crazy.

He was fairly stable compared to C'Baoth's clone until the heroes kept killing him. From then on, it's nothing but using that Galaxy Gun on them NR before the Plot Bunnies caught up to him :laugh:


He was planning to grow clones of C'baoth come to think of it....
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January 11, 2014, 11:07:45 PMReply #12

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2014, 11:07:45 PM »
Yeah, probably not the wisest of his plans.  Clone an already unstable clone...
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January 12, 2014, 12:28:47 AMReply #13

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2014, 12:28:47 AM »
...That came from a Jedi Master whose already mentally unstable before ever being cloned.

Okay, that I have to ask the logic of why C'Baoth being cloned at all was needed.

He's a strong force user for sure but...He sure as Hell is a handful.

January 14, 2014, 06:39:34 AMReply #14

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Re: What if Thrawn was able to unite the entire Empire against the Rebels?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2014, 06:39:34 AM »
There is only 1 truth.  Plot Bunnies.  Because of these, he would have still lost because the writers wanted him to lose.  Someone would have left a screw loose in the Reaper that would have caused the targeting computers to malfunction and turn on Thrawn and then it would have rolled over and caused the engines to explode.  Then they would have discovered a hive-like virus in the entire Enforcer production line that would cause every one of them to beging to attack their own starbases.  Once that was complete, Delvardus would have hyper jumped the Night Hammer into a star while attempting to attack the Rebels and the other warlords would accidentally hyper into a black hole.
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