Author Topic: Useful and Undervalued Units (Read 10048 times)

Revanchist · « **on:** August 29, 2013, 02:59:54 PM »

Well, we have a thread on useless and overpowered units, so I thought I would start a thread on the opposite side of the fence. Which units do you find to be the most useful (and why), and which units are the most undervalued (and why).

majorstoffer · « **Reply #1 on:** August 30, 2013, 12:54:38 AM »

Honestly, I've found Strike Cruisers immensely useful for defensive fleets.

They're mobile, well armed, reasonably durable and easily produced on most worlds. They're not a Star Destroyer, but they'll do.

The additional Fighter and Interceptor squadron also come in handy in keeping Quasarstorms pre-occupied.

Lord Xizer · « **Reply #2 on:** August 30, 2013, 01:16:14 AM »

Carracks. They do a multi job and are cheap and very fast. Fantastic support or patrol ships.
On land, pretty much ALL of the EotHs stuff

Blackout · « **Reply #3 on:** August 30, 2013, 01:33:01 PM »

Overpowered units are pretty useful

Mat8876 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 30, 2013, 02:46:07 PM »

Victory I's because they are equally good against fighters and frigates for land gilzean rgt or hailfires.

tlmiller · « **Reply #5 on:** August 30, 2013, 06:47:04 PM »

AT-PT's. I actually prefer them to AT-ST's after having used them with the PA (due to the PA not having the AT-ST), I now build them in preference to the AT-ST even as the Empire.

Lord Xizer · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2013, 01:05:09 AM »

Quote from: tlmiller on August 30, 2013, 06:47:04 PM

AT-PT's. I actually prefer them to AT-ST's after having used them with the PA (due to the PA not having the AT-ST), I now build them in preference to the AT-ST even as the Empire.

Eh I find the ATSTs to be better

Revanchist · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:13:39 PM »

Quote from: tlmiller on August 30, 2013, 06:47:04 PM

AT-PT's. I actually prefer them to AT-ST's after having used them with the PA (due to the PA not having the AT-ST), I now build them in preference to the AT-ST even as the Empire.

Really. What makes you like them so much?

tlmiller · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:21:59 PM »

Just seems like they take out infantry faster, and they're a little cheaper. Maybe it's because they leave less room between them, so they all just close in and start firing, whereas often only 1 or 2 AT-ST's fire, while the rest maneuver around to get close enough.

Revanchist · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:47:17 PM »

Quote from: tlmiller on August 31, 2013, 04:21:59 PM

Just seems like they take out infantry faster, and they're a little cheaper. Maybe it's because they leave less room between them, so they all just close in and start firing, whereas often only 1 or 2 AT-ST's fire, while the rest maneuver around to get close enough.

I can see that. 1 on 1 AT-STs are the superior unit, but en masse the AT-PT could be better. I use them both for different purposes as the IR. I happen to prefer AT-STs better because they have more armor than AT-PTs and they have Barrage which can demolish light vehicles pretty quick.

tlmiller · « **Reply #10 on:** September 02, 2013, 01:24:57 PM »

Ok, I played laste night, and the AT-PT is actually more expensive as the empire than the AT-ST. Still prefer them to the AT-ST though.

Against light vehicles as the IR, I generally use the 2M tank until era 3, when I switch to the XR-85 (now that it's fixed in the betas). I also have been playing as the IR, and have a newfound love of the SPMA-T. I always disliked it because of the need to deploy, but I've found that I lose far less of them because I deploy them, and they can't move until I tell them, unlike the Hailfires of the PA that are so much faster moving, but love to chase everything around the map and if you don't CONSTANTLY supervise them, will get themselves killed off.

Revanchist · « **Reply #11 on:** September 02, 2013, 03:50:57 PM »

For my IR strategies, AT-STs are always the backbone of my forces. Generally my base strategy is 2 NovaTroopers, 2 AT-STs, and an AT-AT (very rarely bring in more than one AT-AT). His leaves me with five slots that I can customize depending on the circumstances/ terrain. If the terrain is too narrow or has too many variations I just cut the AT-AT right out.

I have always loved SPMA-Ts; even in the Vanilla they were extremely useful. A leapfrog technique is most useful for them and fits the "slow and steady" mantra of IR ground.

I have also found a new love of TIE Crawlers since the Turbolaser has been fixed. They remind me of an IR counterpart to the Armoured Freerunner. They are also really tough units that can tank damage while defensively weaker units (2-M, XR-85) can deal more damage.

tlmiller · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2013, 04:55:16 PM »

I actually never build AT-ST's anymore. Once the initial ones are done that I start with, I don't bother replacing them. My garrisons are usually:

PA- 2 Hailfire, 2 Century tanks, 1 AT-AA, 1 AT-AT, 1 Pentastar Enforcer, 1 ITX company, 1 AT-PT, 1 A9 Fortress.
IR (Era <3)- 3 Century tanks, 1 stormtrooper, 1 plex trooper, 1 AT-PT, 1 AT-AT, 1 AT-AA, 1 SPMA-T, 1 2M tank
IR (Era 3+)- 3 Century tanks, 2 XR-85 tanks, 1 AT-AA, 1 AT-AT, 1 SPMA-T, 1 stormtrooper, 1 AT-PT

Although yes, I will customize depending on the planet.

Since fixing the turbolaser, the Century tank is possibly my most used unit in the entire game. My primary attack fleet has 10-12 squads of them.

Revanchist · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2013, 05:01:01 PM »

Yeah, when I'm garrisoning units I like the AT-PT a bit better because I think they are a bit faster and can control the map easier. I'm surprised that you never use AT-STs at all, I think they are one of the most effective units in the game, especially because of Barrage.

Mat8876 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2013, 05:05:23 PM »

Both At-pt's and At-st's are good in defence since the at-pt's can go hunt for enemys while the at-st's stay back at base to deal with light vehicles that get away from the at-pt's.

tlmiller · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2013, 05:30:00 PM »

Quote from: revanchist on September 02, 2013, 05:01:01 PM

Yeah, when I'm garrisoning units I like the AT-PT a bit better because I think they are a bit faster and can control the map easier. I'm surprised that you never use AT-STs at all, I think they are one of the most effective units in the game, especially because of Barrage.

They're one of my least favorite. They don't have long enough range to be able to get out of their own way. I can never get a squad to all attack something, 1 or 2 attacks while the other walk around lost. That also causes them to get crushed by anything stronger than a T2-B, as 1 or 2 attack, the others wander around while the first 2 get destroyed, and then it repeats. Reason I'm so happy about the Century tank being fixed, it's now the backbone of my armies.

Revanchist · « **Reply #16 on:** September 02, 2013, 06:39:56 PM »

Alright, we shall have to agree to disagree on that point. I very rarely have the walking AT-ST problem, maybe because I tend to micro my units more. I have used a single squad to take down a group of MPTLs and 2 groups of T4-Bs in a battle. That's why there are AT-STs, AT-PTs and TIE Maulers for the IR

Lord Xizer · « **Reply #17 on:** September 02, 2013, 11:17:50 PM »

It's all in how you use units

Revanchist · « **Reply #18 on:** September 03, 2013, 09:36:44 AM »

Man I'm really getting tired of the forums cutting my messages off. Anyway, can anyone tell me if the TIE Maulers are still the infantry glass cannons they were in vanilla? And if anyone has found a use for Chariots?

Singularity · « **Reply #19 on:** September 03, 2013, 02:23:13 PM »

I'm confused, why is the AT-PT more expensive than AT-STs when its older?