Imperial Remnant vs. New Republic

[Admiral Gabriel]

I always thought that if the IR would have united the NR would have been crushed easy. Cuz they did have more firepower then the NR

[Slornie]

I always thought that if the IR would have united the NR would have been crushed easy. Cuz they did have more firepower then the NR

The Empire was united during the Galactic Civil War.  If you remember, it still lost

[clone13538]

yea tru they did still lose

[Admiral Gabriel]

YEa but that only cuz the people from the empire were arrogant and stupid and didnt know how to fight. if they would have had 12 thrawns or smart people at leaders they would have won with out use of super weapons and ships

[Slornie]

So the Empire lost the GCW because it was led by arrogant idiots who didn't know how to fight?

Seeing as most of those "arrogant idiots" died during the war, and were presumably replaced by even less suitable people, how do you suggest the Empire could have won against the New Republic and the hope/freedom it represented?

[Admiral Gabriel]

Well yes in a way. leaders are the foot and head of a fraction in this case. So if they would have taken the rebels more serious we would be seeing the end of the rebels not the empire. Think about it what was the reason the death star I was destroyed it was because the commanding officer was like " This station is now the Most POWERFUL weapon in the galaxy and the rebels can do shit about it"  if lets say they had a fleet around it yavin 4 would have been the end of the rebellion.  And to answer your question NR would have been crushed had it not been for the change of heart of Thrawn's bodyguard. And hell If there were no rebels no NR = EMPIRE FOR EVER. or until Vader would be like DIE OLDY 

[General ONeill]

I think you underestimate the power of the Force. I'm starting to sound a little bit like Obi Wan!

[Slornie]

Think about it what was the reason the death star I was destroyed it was because the commanding officer was like " This station is now the Most POWERFUL weapon in the galaxy and the rebels can do shit about it"  if lets say they had a fleet around it yavin 4 would have been the end of the rebellion.

Not necessarily.  If you recall in Death Star, the gunner in control of the superlaser was uncomfortable with his role, and was hesitating before firing (the "standby" bit).  What if he decided he couldn't live with the deaths of more people on his hands and messed up the targeting?

Besides, the Death Star didn't need a fleet to support it.  It had plenty of guns and fighters of its own.  Maybe the commanders were overconfident in not launching so many, but if they had launched more the Rebels would have had an advantage in targeting.

And to answer your question NR would have been crushed had it not been for the change of heart of Thrawn's bodyguard.

How do you work that out?  Luke, Leia, etc were on Wayland destroying Thrawn's cloning factory, so he would have lost that advantage.  He had also lost his intelligence source in the Grand Corridor.  Also, as the Battle of Sluis Van and his death at Rukh's hand show, he wasn't infallible.  Perhaps he didn't anticipate the concerted effort by the smugglers at the Battle of Bilbringi either?

[Meyer]

If Thrawn hadn't died in the battle of Bilbringi, I believe he would have destroyed the rebels. Thrawn would have destroyed most of their fleet in Bilbringi. True he would have lost his cloning ability but I don't think that would have stopped him.

[Admiral Gabriel]

Well Slornie a fleet always helps. And there are alot of thing that could be debated about what could have happen in star wars but i stand by my choice in saying that the empire would have won if it wasnt for there BIG ASS ego.

I think you underestimate the power of the Force. angel I'm starting to sound a little bit like Obi Wan!

Didnt vader say that in the death star?

[Corusca Fire]

Even when Daala "united" the warlords, the empire still lost.

[Corusca Fire]

Think about it what was the reason the death star I was destroyed it was because the commanding officer was like " This station is now the Most POWERFUL weapon in the galaxy and the rebels can do shit about it"  if lets say they had a fleet around it yavin 4 would have been the end of the rebellion.

Not necessarily.  If you recall in Death Star, the gunner in control of the superlaser was uncomfortable with his role, and was hesitating before firing (the "standby" bit).  What if he decided he couldn't live with the deaths of more people on his hands and messed up the targeting?

I dont know how you reached that conclusion. He was just saying "standby" as an acknowledgment of orders, because the weapon doesn't fire instantly, and a warning to brace for firing, i think...

[Fixed the quote ~ Slornie]

[Slornie]

I dont know how you reached that conclusion. He was just saying "standby" as an acknowledgment of orders, because the weapon doesn't fire instantly, and a warning to brace for firing, i think...

I come to that conclusion from what Death Star says in the sections written from the chief gunner's point of view (Tenn Graneet).

In chapter 71:

Tenn Graneet watched the graphic on his screen. The target would be within range in another couple of minutes.
His mouth was as dry as desert sand, his belly churning like a heavy sea. He couldn't do this. He couldn't murder yet another world. But he couldn't stop it, either. Were he to stand down, another gunner would be up here to replace him in mere minutes, and he would be in the brig with a military death mark against him.
What was he going to do?"

In chapter 74:

Tenn heard the order as if he were at the bottom of a deep mine shaft. It echoed over him: "Commence primary ignition."
His crew threw switches, adjusted rheostats, pushed buttons. The status reports came in one by one, like pronouncements of doom.
All too soon, it was down to him. Slowly, Tenn lifted the incredible tonnage of his right arm. His hand trembled on the lever. He saw his CO watching him through the smoked lens of his blast helmet. He could read the man's mind: Shoot, Chief! Shoot!
Tenn wasn't a believer in anything more than he could see and hear and touch, never had been. But now he prayed for a miracle - for something, anything, to deliver him from the burden of so many more deaths. For something to stop it, somehow. With his free hand he activated the comm. "Stand by," he said, hardly knowing why he was saying it, seeking only to delay the inevitable as long as possible.
"Stand by..."

[Death Star Explodes]

[Isamu]

If Thrawn hadn't died in the battle of Bilbringi, I believe he would have destroyed the rebels. Thrawn would have destroyed most of their fleet in Bilbringi. True he would have lost his cloning ability but I don't think that would have stopped him.

good thing i read through this because i would've said the same thing. thrawn was a tactical genius well beyond anyone in the new republic jedi included. he possibly could've single handedly defeated the nr as long as he had the resources to do it. remember he took out an entire confederate battle group with what amounted to corvettes at the time

[Ruostenyrkki]

The empire would had won the battle of endor, but palpatine didn't let Piett attack the rebelfleet with all their force because he wanted to "play" with them.
I readed it from wookiepedia.

[fFoxfire]

Well at the space battle at Endor lets see the Empire's Commanding Officer for the Fleet Piett gets killed by a A wing kamikaze, BAM the CO is dead and all aboard his ship, then the Flagship the Super Star Destroyer is destroyed, yeah at this point the Moral is Gone and most of the "Smart Captains" i doubt they had any but most naval captains Care about there ship and if there not to devout to the cause would retreat and every man for him self comes into play. Then the 2nd Death Star goes BOOM!

I will say without Thrawn the Empire lost any chance of ever having galactic control and since many of them separated... they were doomed they pulled a 1940;s Germany Too many enemy's to much land. Yes they have the most power but they could not afford to amass a huge fleet at will without the threat of them being attacked and showing Venerability.

[capshades]

We'll here's the thing, if that A-wing had not gotten through, or even if the Auxiliary Control Room aboard the Executer had been able to retake control of the ship, the Rebelion would have been finished.  As said in "A Truce at Bakura,"  the Alliance fleet had suffered severe damage even though the Imperial fleet ran shortly after engaging.  With the Command and Control facilities and the firepower the Executer could have provided, the Alliance would have been routed and some level of order restored.

[fFoxfire]

Well if the empire won the battle here are the important people to Rebles/NR who may or may not had surrvied the fight.

Ackbar,Mon,Mothma,Leia,Han&Chewie,Luke,Lando,General Nadieen.

Just with out one of thoes would tottaly change the outcome of the SW future.

Also if the empire did win At this time Zann is taking control of the Eclipse. Zann would either scrap it or take thus making him a huge threat as Zann now would have control of a SSD that can destroy a planet in 1 shot as decimate a fleet with ease, as well as his own personal Pirate fleet, Personally Would love to see an Executor face an Eclipse however it more then likely wouldn't even get in range and would explode due tot he Eclipse's main gun.

[TheExile]

The Eclipse super laser wasn't powerful enough to destroy a planet. It could make the planet uninhabitable though.

[Slornie]

Also if the empire did win At this time Zann is taking control of the Eclipse. Zann would either scrap it or take thus making him a huge threat as Zann now would have control of a SSD that can destroy a planet in 1 shot as decimate a fleet with ease, as well as his own personal Pirate fleet, Personally Would love to see an Executor face an Eclipse however it more then likely wouldn't even get in range and would explode due tot he Eclipse's main gun.

I don't think Zann had 88,000 people even to reach the skeleton crew requirement of the Eclipse.  Its all very well sneaking on board and hijacking Palpatine's control panel (incl. superlaser), but actually manning the ship was way beyond his means.