Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Meyer on March 27, 2008, 01:24:32 PM
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This should be interesting. at least I hope so.
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Wedge doesn't even NEED the force. Wedge wins.
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shouldn't maarek stele be on there? he was known for his talent.
i'd say wedge as well.
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wedge is hands down
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wedge is amazing, but anakin had the force and that gave him an extra edge. Anakin is a slightly better pilot.
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once again, wedge didn't need the force. he was also smarter than anakin
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once again, wedge didn't need the force. he was also smarter than anakin
your right, without the force, wedge would be much better than anakin but the force is such a huge bonus that anakin doesn't need wedges experience. he can fly on 100% instict.
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the thing about the force that overloaded pilots is it can distract you if another force user projects something only other forceusers could sense.
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Luke is the winner here, I mean he commanded Wedge in Rogue Squadron
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I voted for Wedge considering he did not need the Force to guide his actions in the cockpit, but both Luke and Anakin relied on their attunement to the Force.
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actually Anakin would have been a great pilot even without the force. and would have totally kicked Wedge in his ass. even as Vader and in his suit he was the better. remember episode IV anyone. the trench run. Wedge had to leave. And also only reason why Fel didn't kill Wedge was because somehow at the battle of Brentaal Wedge was able to get right out of the way when the Y-wing shot it's ion cannon on Fel. which was fairly stupid if you ask me.
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Doesnt matter; perhaps it was just chance that he got hit at the trench on the Death Star attack. Anakin was renowned as the best pilot, but remember; Darth Vader is part mechanical, and Anakin was as well, if not anywhere near as major, hence Vader had better reactions and thoughts pertaining to strategies and how to apporach the situation, and his force sensitivity allowed him to do much better than he would have normally. Wedge was just a normal person that got tons of experience from self-discipline and training; he cmae in to it though nautral skill, whilst Anakin probably derived most of his skil from his force-ablity. It doesnt say that he did well without using the Force, but neither does it say it is what won him races and made him do so well as a pilot, though it seems pretty obvious that the latter is triumphant.
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he nearly won the boonta-race even before he knew how to use the force. only reason he didn't was because sebulba wrecked his racer. that's quite an achievement from a human. even the fact that he could do it at all. and there have also been many times where wedge has just been lucky, not good.
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I voted on Anakin.
Remember, Anakin had high midiclorian count or what its called, even Yoda didn't have so much.
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I realize he nearly won that, but funny thing is that people could uncocniously use the Force and weave it around them, or the Force itself took a hand in his races. Wedge did get off lucky many times, but he is stillextremely competent no matter how you try to demean him.
And Vandar T, you vote Anakin best pilot simply because of his midiclorian count? Provide more valid reasons, such as; he is a skilled pilot, he did this/that, etc.
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so the fact that Anakin had force means that he can't be as good pilot without it than Wedge? how? what if we take of Wedges luck? that has saved him often and take it off he would be dead.
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Not necessarily-Wedge was about as good as Vader, not as good, but nearly up there. Without the Force, Vader's skill would most likely drop a large sum, and hence we would have to assume that Wedge would then be the better pilot. The funny thing is that you compare something that can be melded and used (Vader's force-powers) to something that isnt tangible (Wedge's luck). Vader also had luck, unless you hadnt noticed.
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no I hadn't. he was very unlucky if you ask me.
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Unlucky in points that are seen more often, but luck plays it's own gamble with every living thing, and frankly, Vader would have had positive luck many times; his survival at Mustufar for one.
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and forced to live with the fact that he had killed the only person he loved and encased in a metal suit. yeah. very lucky.
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Thats bad luck. Couple that with the good luck he has had.
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what good luck? he lost his mother, his children, his identity, he has to serve the man he believed but who betrayed him. where is there any good luck?
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what good luck? he lost his mother, his children, his identity, he has to serve the man he believed but who betrayed him. where is there any good luck?
I agree with this.
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He has survived countless fights that he nearly lost.
Ehem; the Obi-Wan duel on Mustafar and the duel with Darth Maul come to mind.
Those two are the perfect example of good luck.
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once again the duel on Mustafar cost him his humanity. not a very good luck. and he killed that maul thingy by stabbing himself in the chest. that doesn't need good luck. just that you're bold enough to do it. and propably stupid too.
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Topic Please
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the force is part of anakin, you can't justify wedge being better by taking away part of anakin and the only reason luke got down the trench was becasue Solo came out of nowhere to get vadar...
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I reckon the best is Wedge Antilles.
Anakin's ability was largely down to his Force sensitivity, Luke and Jaina's on their Force training.
Soontir Fel was the best Imperial pilot, and was better than Han in starfighter size ships (as Han admitted), but i still reckon Wedge had a slight edge over him. I think that Jag was probably about on Par with Han, maybe slightly better.
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I reckon the best is Wedge Antilles.
Anakin's ability was largely down to his Force sensitivity
i agree on this except anakins total ability (with force) was greater than wedges (who wasn't force sensitive). Maybe i misunderstood the topic but i thought this was who flew best not who would fly best if everyone wasn't force sensitive.
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Im working on pure piloting skill. By excluding the Force, it puts everyone on an equal playing field.
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and it should propably be: Who is the best pilot, your opinion?
and it really is tough one. Anakin is the best in my mind but Wedge comes very closely behind just like Soontir Fel. And as corellians they have that "corellian luck" so often mentioned to help them.
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Im working on pure piloting skill. By excluding the Force, it puts everyone on an equal playing field.
ok, in that case i would say probably wedge. altho no one really knows how good anakin/luke would be without the force.
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knowing that han was a swwop racing pro, i can bet he was a good pilot of fighters.
is he ever seen piloting a fighter?
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Yep in one of the han solo books han pilots a z-95 against pirates. from what i remember he held his own. 8)
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He's more of a star ship captain than a fighter pilot. In fact, he wanted to be a SD captain in his youth.
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he was a pro swoop racer. i iimagine he was a pretty good pilot based on that.
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wedge is still the best
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I reckon the best is Wedge Antilles.
Anakin's ability was largely down to his Force sensitivity, Luke and Jaina's on their Force training.
Soontir Fel was the best Imperial pilot, and was better than Han in starfighter size ships (as Han admitted), but i still reckon Wedge had a slight edge over him. I think that Jag was probably about on Par with Han, maybe slightly better.
Exactly; that is what I was aiming for before.
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funny thing on that list is that if jaina and jag get married, which I believe they do, everyone is related to each other.
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They would, wouldn't they? Maybe it's genetic. In which case, Jaina and Jag would have one badass child of a fighter pilot.
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well their child would be the emperor of the empire. i don't think he would have much time to fly on fighters. but he would propably be very good.
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in sw, emperors are not young when they come to power.
look at palpatine, thrawn etc. they are all old when in power. an emperor would have a youth. who says he didn't pilot then?
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Thrawn wasn't an emperor.....
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in sw, emperors are not young when they come to power.
look at palpatine, thrawn etc. they are all old when in power. an emperor would have a youth. who says he didn't pilot then?
he propably would pilot in youth. and if his parents are jag and jaina they propably insist that he does.
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so proving he would be a pilot
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Wait...when did it ever say Thrawn became Emperor?
I dont think piloting skills are genetic.......sure Anakin and Luke are blatant contradictions on that point, but seriously, I have never heard of skills being genetic. Cool idea however I must admit.
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Wait...when did it ever say Thrawn became Emperor?
I dont think piloting skills are genetic.......sure Anakin and Luke are blatant contradictions on that point, but seriously, I have never heard of skills being genetic. Cool idea however I must admit.
a lot of the skill of luke and anakin was the force.
and looking at the evidence.
han was a good pilot.
his daughter jaina, a great pilot.
jacen, a decent pilot. (well, he piloted a stealthx at least.)
soontir fel had jagged fel, a great pilot, and chak fel, a competent pilot.
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knowing that han was a swwop racing pro, i can bet he was a good pilot of fighters.
is he ever seen piloting a fighter?
He is quite a good pilot, but somewhere he admits that Soontir Fel is better with starfighter sized ships.
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is jacen actually a recognisably good pilot?
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Wait...when did it ever say Thrawn became Emperor?
I dont think piloting skills are genetic.......sure Anakin and Luke are blatant contradictions on that point, but seriously, I have never heard of skills being genetic. Cool idea however I must admit.
This applies unless Star Wars actually introduces the point of skills being genetic.
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it doesn't exactly introduce it in black and white.
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thrawns not a pilot.
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thrawns not a pilot.
nobody ever said he was a pilot.
i mistakenly thought the IR had an emperor.
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i thought anarchist was saying he was a pilot.
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can't spot where. and I don't think that flying skill is genetic but if parents are both excellent pilots I think that the kid(s) are propably being educated well in that area.
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piloting is not genetic, however the skills needed to excel in piloting are, such as reflexes and such
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That's what I meant....
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children are most likely to be told tricks by their pilot parents as well.