Thrawn's Revenge
Imperial Civil War [Empire at War] => Discussion, Suggestions & Feedback => Topic started by: Helix345 on June 15, 2016, 10:56:39 AM
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The problem is 1. Jerec is a ground hero and sometimes I forget that he is there, so I auto resolve the ground battle and lose a super star destroyer! 2. The vengeance looks really cool, but there is only 1! 3. The pentastar alignment (at least for me) relies too much on the praetor II (which is my favorite ship, but still) and it needs a bit more spice.
I don't need 50 of them, just let me build one or two please.
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The Reborn Emperor is also a ground hero but that doesn't mean we should have buildable Eclipse SSDs too!
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The imperial remnant can build SSDs though, not to mention the eclipse is more powerful.
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The pentastar can't build any SSDs. It starts with two and then it's done. If you lose those you have to rely on the praetors for the rest of the game. I'm not saying put them in in era 1, but I think that the pentastar need something. The imperial remnant can build Executors and sovereigns and praetors.
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Pentastar is getting Bellators in 2.2 to fill the later game supercapital. While I do love the look of the Vengeance I like that it is kept unique.
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As has been mentioned before, instead of making Vengeance buildable, I'd rather see Jerec become a ground hero only, and have the Vengeance be a space hero only tied to Sysco. IMO, that solves the problem with jerec's puny autoresolve, and the problem with him getting killed in ground combat, makes the Vengeance a little less terrifying to use in space (since you only lose the space portion if it gets destroyed and still have a ground hero) and Jerec less terrifying to use in ground combat (since you don't lose the Vengeance if you lose him anymore), and gives the PA an additional much needed hero unit.
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As has been mentioned before, instead of making Vengeance buildable, I'd rather see Jerec become a ground hero only, and have the Vengeance be a space hero only tied to Sysco. IMO, that solves the problem with jerec's puny autoresolve, and the problem with him getting killed in ground combat, makes the Vengeance a little less terrifying to use in space (since you only lose the space portion if it gets destroyed and still have a ground hero) and Jerec less terrifying to use in ground combat (since you don't lose the Vengeance if you lose him anymore), and gives the PA an additional much needed hero unit.
As things stand at the moment they will be separated. I once told the same Idea and Corey responded like this:
That would be true, Xizer, if the PA still didn't have access to their own buildable SSDs, but the Bellator changes that. The two irreplaceable SSDs was a decent trade-off to start with, however the PA ended up in this position where it ended up being much easier for (especially experienced) players to play, which you can see by looking at the GC ratings we've been asking for on both the forums and ModDB. Making the Vengeance buildable was another part of that which I already wanted to do, but I hadn't actually heard of Sysco before, and I like the idea of splitting it into Jerec as a base hero and Sysco/Vengeance as a recruitable one.
You can read the whole conversation here:
http://thrawnsrevenge.com/forums/index.php?topic=5791.0
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The problem is 1. Jerec is a ground hero and sometimes I forget that he is there, so I auto resolve the ground battle and lose a super star destroyer! 2. The vengeance looks really cool, but there is only 1! 3. The pentastar alignment (at least for me) relies too much on the praetor II (which is my favorite ship, but still) and it needs a bit more spice.
I don't need 50 of them, just let me build one or two please.
I wanted the same thing a while ago and vulcanus was nice enough to help me out:
http://thrawnsrevenge.com/forums/index.php?topic=4903.0
im not sure if it still works, but you can try.
Make a Backup Copy beforehand!
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Thanks Guderian!
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Thanks Guderian!
You are welcome.
But you should Thank Vulcanus, for making it xD
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Thanks for making it vulcanus!
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Didn't the Empire Build More Vengeance's. Like they talk about more of them being built. And by the way was their A Battlecruiser Version too or no?.
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The empire had atleast 3 built by the time of operation Shadow hand. no the only version was a 19km long. no battlecruiser version
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The empire had atleast 3 built by the time of operation Shadow hand. no the only version was a 19km long. no battlecruiser version
Then how come Their a Wiki Page About it then? And then People who make Mods to use that information in the Ship description then?.
Well if 3 worth Built By the time of Operation Shadow Hand then I like to see it Buildable in Era 3 as a Second Star Dreadnaught you can build as the Imperial Remnant and all so be able to build it In the GC Form The Ground Up as Imperial Remnant or the Pentastar Alignment or both. And if both now that would be an interesting fight to see.
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Then how come Their a Wiki Page About it then? And then People who make Mods to use that information in the Ship description then?.
Well if 3 worth Built By the time of Operation Shadow Hand then I like to see it Buildable in Era 3 as a Second Star Dreadnaught you can build as the Imperial Remnant and all so be able to build it In the GC Form The Ground Up as Imperial Remnant or the Pentastar Alignment or both. And if both now that would be an interesting fight to see.
Dude, it's not like:"it existed so into the mod with it". Consider balance and keeping everyone unique. If Remnant gets a third type of SSDs then they become overpowered. They already have Executors which were more common and iconic, so it would be a bad choice to replace them with the Vengeance either. They have Sovereign which is a category on it's own and you want to add Vengeance too. Not to mention that in Era 3 they also have Palpatine in the Eclipse.
If for players, they can have 6 SSDs in Era 3. For AI, already unlimited since AI doesn't give a thing about build limits and this is a base game problem.
Even if we just say 1 buildable then players already have 7 SSDs available. That is TOO MUCH! Not to mention the AI.
You also have to consider what new does it bring into the game. As I said, it is a differently designed Executor. Their armament was largely the same, so it wouldn't bring anything new to the table.
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Dude, it's not like:"it existed so into the mod with it". Consider balance and keeping everyone unique. If Remnant gets a third type of SSDs then they become overpowered. They already have Executors which were more common and iconic, so it would be a bad choice to replace them with the Vengeance either. They have Sovereign which is a category on it's own and you want to add Vengeance too. Not to mention that in Era 3 they also have Palpatine in the Eclipse.
If for players, they can have 6 SSDs in Era 3. For AI, already unlimited since AI doesn't give a thing about build limits and this is a base game problem.
Even if we just say 1 buildable then players already have 7 SSDs available. That is TOO MUCH! Not to mention the AI.
You also have to consider what new does it bring into the game. As I said, it is a differently designed Executor. Their armament was largely the same, so it wouldn't bring anything new to the table.
Well. ... that acceptable and your right that would make things OVERPOWERED as hell so yeah sorry I was just thinking that When you Play the Galactic Conquest (GC) Operation Shadow Hand GC you build the Vengeance as a Third Option in building Ship for The Imperial Remnant or just just have the Vengeance in it meeting just one for the GC OSH AKA (Operation Shadow Hand)
And kucsidave I was all so thinking for not just Main Galactic Conquests but for FTGU (Form the Ground up) too as either The Imperial Remnant or The Pentastar Alignment as a Second SSD they can Build or third in the Imperial Remnant Case Because of how the GC is. But what do you think? I'm trying to think of something to give to the Factions in the Mod ok.
Merged posts ~ Slornie
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I know, but those roosters are actually filled out quite well. They are not set in stones and they are a subject to change. And we also tend to listen to others, but just giving everyone SSDs because why not is also not something we would want to do. Hence the moment when everyone begs for a hand SSD we all groan.
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I know, but those roosters are actually filled out quite well. They are not set in stones and they are a subject to change. And we also tend to listen to others, but just giving everyone SSDs because why not is also not something we would want to do. Hence the moment when everyone begs for a hand SSD we all groan.
I wouldn't give The Empire of the Hand an SSD at all hell no. But i'm just think about give more options in space battle like give the Pentastar Alignment both the Bellators and the Vengeances to build would nice to see and plus put a Vengeance Class SSD and a fleet on there plus two Capital shipyards worlds they get would not be a Bad idea well the Second one would need A Preator 2 defend the Planet. like Well you know two or three shipyards near the Pentastar Alignment. But anyway that's what I was thinking about the ships in the Factions for FTGU and I have other ideas for the other Factions too and no not just there ships but Ground units too.
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I wouldn't give The Empire of the Hand an SSD at all hell no. But i'm just think about give more options in space battle like give the Pentastar Alignment both the Bellators and the Vengeances to build would nice to see and plus put a Vengeance Class SSD and a fleet on there plus two Capital shipyards worlds they get would not be a Bad idea well the Second one would need A Preator 2 defend the Planet. like Well you know two or three shipyards near the Pentastar Alignment. But anyway that's what I was thinking about the ships in the Factions for FTGU and I have other ideas for the other Factions too and no not just there ships but Ground units too.
Finally someone can see the light with the Hand. And I see where you're coming from. I don't understand everythign you're trying to tell, but I have my guesses. Point is, I was in your shoes. Try to mod the game. I mean not like Andrew Hester who just messed around with some values, but really creating things from scrap and you will understand what 1 new unit means for the team.
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Finally someone can see the light with the Hand. And I see where you're coming from. I don't understand everythign you're trying to tell, but I have my guesses. Point is, I was in your shoes. Try to mod the game. I mean not like Andrew Hester who just messed around with some values, but really creating things from scrap and you will understand what 1 new unit means for the team.
Even Thrawn (The character I mean, not the user :P) said himself that having SSD's in The Hand is dumb so why is everyone wanting one?
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Finally someone can see the light with the Hand. And I see where you're coming from. I don't understand everythign you're trying to tell, but I have my guesses. Point is, I was in your shoes. Try to mod the game. I mean not like Andrew Hester who just messed around with some values, but really creating things from scrap and you will understand what 1 new unit means for the team.
Yeah I don't see the Empire of the Hand getting a SSD but what I talking about was that the Pentastar Alignment be able to build the Vengeance too as a Second Super Star Destroyer to use a Unique Dreadnaught for them but just for Form The Ground Up as the Pentastar Alignment and maybe it can be built for The Imperial Remnant as A third Option in building Ship for battle. but just in FTGU (Form the Ground up) I like don't to Overdo it for other Galactic Conquests for the mod ok. And Don't be like the Perkins killing Andrew Hester.
Even Thrawn (The character I mean, not the user :P) said himself that having SSD's in The Hand is dumb so why is everyone wanting one?
Yes I must agree with their I think it a Terrible idea to get The Empire of the Hand a SSD because A. they don't need them and B. It became they didn't have any Of them And Finally C. It would be Overpowered as HELL if they had them. I mean can imagine a Super Star Destroyer having the Weapons Systems of the Empire of the Hand on one talk about OP.
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Even Thrawn (The character I mean, not the user :P) said himself that having SSD's in The Hand is dumb so why is everyone wanting one?
Not sure, but with the team we discussed putting in a titan foundry for the Hand just so that when you build it it would explode and play a line:
"What about... No..."
I say it should play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT2X5b0tyDI
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That is a pretty hilarious idea. However, I could see making a build limit of 1 ship for the Hand (using the mechanics of the Titan construction) that wasn't an SSD. Some type of Interdiction Ship perhaps that had an ability to open a phase lane to its location, mimicking Thrawn's tactic of using Interdictors to pull his fleets right on top of the enemy.
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That actually sounds like a really cool idea
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Not sure, but with the team we discussed putting in a titan foundry for the Hand just so that when you build it it would explode and play a line:
"What about... No..."
I say it should play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT2X5b0tyDI
No that's dumb idea just have the Titan foundry make The biggest of the The Hands ships. But that is funny but dumb.
That is a pretty hilarious idea. However, I could see making a build limit of 1 ship for the Hand (using the mechanics of the Titan construction) that wasn't an SSD. Some type of Interdiction Ship perhaps that had an ability to open a phase lane to its location, mimicking Thrawn's tactic of using Interdictors to pull his fleets right on top of the enemy.
Yes I like that idea alot. But to stay on the subject of the Vengeance. Like I said in my last Comment about the Vengeance you should be able to build it for the Pentastar Alignment for when you play as them in both Thrawns Revenge II Ascendancy as them. And you be able to build the Vengeance when you play as the Pentastar Alignment in Form the ground up in ICW too.