Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Revanchist on April 25, 2014, 01:52:12 PM
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http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html
So long EU, it's been a great 35 years :'(
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For fuck's sakes. Well, the mod's staying in Universe 1.
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FFS. :(
However, I'm still hoping that a good chunk of the existing Expanded Universe will be adopted by this new canon. I'd hate to see them push everything into this new "Legends" corner (like the what-if Infinities corner) and then create an entire new continuity for the 30 years between trilogies.
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So... do I even qualify as a star wars fan now? Most of the stuff I liked for years has been declared "unofficial" and I don't know what the official stuff is yet. My tastes haven't changed, but the food did. Does this make me a defacto Fanon fan? I don't know if I like the sound of that.
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So... do I even qualify as a star wars fan now? Most of the stuff I liked for years has been declared "unofficial" and I don't know what the official stuff is yet. My tastes haven't changed, but the food did. Does this make me a defacto Fanon fan? I don't know if I like the sound of that.
No you are a fan anyone who prefers the stories that Lucasarts/Disney make are not fans.
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Well, I think its a tad early to say that since none of us have seen or read any of Disney's new stuff. Mind you, it doesn't exactly look promising, but I'm willing to withhold judgement until I see what they have to offer.
Anyway, look at the bright side. Now that the EOTH is a completely fanon faction, there's no reason why they can't have an SSD!
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Just because it's now classed as non-canon doesn't mean the team will put it in.
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Well, Star Wars is basically dead to me now. It was nice knowing you guys.
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May the Force be with you EU!
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Copy-pasta from another forum 'cos I'm lazy.
Maybe the Vong War will be retconned as an in-universe Holo-Drama? :P
It will definitely be interesting to see how they deal with the content chronologically furthest from the new trilogy. The pre-prequel content (KotoR etc), the pre-original content (Han Solo backstory and all the Clone Wars Novels), and the early post-original content (Thrawn trilogy was within the first decade after all).
It's also interesting to note that all of the newly announced "canon" stories appear to be set in the close vicinity to the original trilogy. A backstory to some of the Star Wars: Rebels characters (which is set pre-IV), a Tarkin story (died in IV), a Palpatine/Vader story (died in VI), and a Luke first-person "Heir to the Jedi" story. There's nothing announced thus far that would directly lead in to the new trilogy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini comic series released in the latter half of next year like the "Star Trek: Countdown" and "Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness" serials IDW produced for JJ's Trek films.
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On one hand, I can understand the decision. These days, people are kind of clueless over the stuff in the EU compared to the films and mostly TCW (which already did certain changes to EU canon) and instead of making new fans read a Hell ton of books just to understand one certain thing (seriously, it's kind of hilarious just how much time and effort (as god knows how many stories) was done for the Death Star plans campaign for the Rebel Alliance as it was a massive joint effort made by many random spies and mercs while each believe they got all the plans yet it makes sense...It's a huge battle station...One person isn't enough).
On the other hand, this is kind of a middle finger to longtime fans. I mean I thought TCW was alright but I was kind of pissed they went on to change things when I read the Republic comic series before hand (and they were great stories). This whole thing renders a lot of the things I enjoyed about Star Wars kind of not exactly official...And that kind of stings.
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This inferiorates me beyond belief... I've read dozens of EU books and now apparently none of them matter! George Lucas can rot in a Sarlacc
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I reject Disney's canon in favor of true geniuses and visionaries like Tim Zahn, mike stakpole, aaron alston, james luceno and others who made the EU a great place of character and adventure that Disney cant hope to recreate.
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I reject Disney's canon in favor of true geniuses and visionaries like Tim Zahn, mike stakpole, aaron alston, james luceno and others who made the EU a great place of character and adventure that Disney cant hope to recreate.
Also...Let's face it, this is kind of a middle finger to these guys, despite whatever reaction we get officially.
They worked hard to make the Star Wars universe more than the films and they earned their fans. Now just hearing that their works are no longer valid and are stuck in some "legends" mode is kind of...Yeah.
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Before the Dark Times...before the Disney destroyed the EU continuity.
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So does this mean all that starwars Lego series crap is now official?
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And all the books which actually make sense are not official. That in itself makes no sense at all..
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Keep in mind, all they said was that they'd change canon to include what they like and the new stuff, and scrap the rest. We don't know what's getting axed exactly. At this point, statements like 'they're getting rid of the Vong' or 'they're undoing Chewbacca's death' or 'Zahn is non-canahn' are more or less all speculation.
Canon is kind of a weird concept that by no means is a component of every fictional universe. Most franchises don't even bother to acknowledge 'which fiction really happened'. The stories that are now non-canon can still be read and enjoyed, and for the most part they work well as standalone stories featuring characters from other stories, much like a massive crossover among dozens of writers.
Was 'The Star Wars' any less enjoyable because it was infinities? What about the Marvel Comics or the alternate ANH? Of course not. I think we all had a tendency to ignore the stupid parts of canon anyway, and if that happens to become the whole thing, so be it. The good parts still exist, amongst the what-ifs and could-have-beens.
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Canon is the fiction who ever said that the stories that Disney will make had to be canon because they are going over something that happened and they make a story completely different from it does not mean Disney will make a canon story.
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So is Wookiepedia going down now? Or parts of it being deleated?
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So is Wookiepedia going down now? Or parts of it being deleated?
It will stay up just anything that does change to Non-canon will be shown that it is.
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I've no doubt it's going to cause the Wookiepedia staff one or two headaches over the next couple of years! For instance, do they go down the route of having separate Luke Skywalker (Canon) and Luke Skywalker (Legends) pages, or continue with the current system of a single page with various elements labelled as out-of-canon (and then how do they distinguish between elements previously deemed non-canon vs the Expanded Universe and between Expanded Universe elements newly deemed non-canon vs the Story Group consolidated canon?).
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I've no doubt it's going to cause the Wookiepedia staff one or two headaches over the next couple of years! For instance, do they go down the route of having separate Luke Skywalker (Canon) and Luke Skywalker (Legends) pages, or continue with the current system of a single page with various elements labelled as out-of-canon (and then how do they distinguish between elements previously deemed non-canon vs the Expanded Universe and between Expanded Universe elements newly deemed non-canon vs the Story Group consolidated canon?).
Or Disney will just create their own and shut Wookieepedia down.
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Keep in mind, all they said was that they'd change canon to include what they like and the new stuff, and scrap the rest. We don't know what's getting axed exactly. At this point, statements like 'they're getting rid of the Vong' or 'they're undoing Chewbacca's death' or 'Zahn is non-canahn' are more or less all speculation.
Well it now seems pretty safe to say they're undoing Chewie's death!
Star Wars Episode 7 Cast Announced (http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-7-cast-announced.html)
The Star Wars team is thrilled to announce the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII.
Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.
EDIT: I wonder if Andy Serkis is going to be doing another motion-capture character?
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Still hoping he will only be in flashbacks
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Well it now seems pretty safe to say they're undoing Chewie's death!
That would be the cherry on the top of the cake if chewie lives on.
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Ill just treat this new universe as a one to avoid. I'll keep my wraiths, rogues, pellaeon, thrawn and vong adventures thank you very much
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If my expectations weren't at ******* below-sea level I might be getting hyped.
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Ill just treat this new universe as a one to avoid. I'll keep my wraiths, rogues, pellaeon, thrawn and vong adventures thank you very much
Agreed, I'm going to live my life and ignore everything from Disney-verse SW.
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Well it now seems pretty safe to say they're undoing Chewie's death!
Star Wars Episode 7 Cast Announced (http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-7-cast-announced.html)
The Star Wars team is thrilled to announce the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII.
Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.
EDIT: I wonder if Andy Serkis is going to be doing another motion-capture character?
If the Vong are erased, Legacy might be erased. Good riddance. Maybe they'll give Chewbacca a better death.
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If the Vong are erased, Legacy might be erased. Good riddance. Maybe they'll give Chewbacca a better death.
Or they could bait and switch and set the new trilogy right after the Vong War, with Chewie retconned to have somehow survived Sernpidal (hey, if Boba can escape the Sarlacc anything is possible!)?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0xUl_VRCmM
How I feel about the EU.
"I'm going to make them give back our past."-Master Miller
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And there we go, the Thrawn Trilogy is officially Star Wars Legends (https://www.facebook.com/starwarsbooks/posts/10152394718258713?stream_ref=1). :(
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Chaos take them all!
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Don't worry, Knickers and I are reworking all of our particles to add appropriate Abrams-Levels of Lens Flare right now.
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Don't worry, Knickers and I are reworking all of our particles to add appropriate Abrams-Levels of Lens Flare right now.
Wouldn't that be bad for our eyes?
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Don't worry, Knickers and I are reworking all of our particles to add appropriate Abrams-Levels of Lens Flare right now.
Do we need to add another disclaimer to the mod's readme too? Something along the lines of:
Note: This mod contains content from the pre-April 2014 Star Wars Expanded Universe and does not reflect canon as established by Lucasfilm's Story Group .
:P
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Note: This mod contains content from the pre-April 2014 Star Wars Expanded Universe and does not reflect canon as established by Lucasfilm's Story Group .
Yeah? Well...
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I think Wookieepedia's quote of the day is very poignant given the recent events; just thought I would share it with y'all:
"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians [...]."
―George Lucas in 1988
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Did Wookieepedia roll that quote out last time George meddled with the Original Trilogy for a special edition too? :P
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Did Wookieepedia roll that quote out last time George meddled with the Original Trilogy for a special edition too? :P
Should have. George has become the very thing he swore to destroy.
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So I was just looking at Wookieepedia, and came across these two lists.
Timeline of Legends media (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_Legends_media)
Timeline of Canon media (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media)
How long will it take for that second list to catch up with the first? Also, I'd never really considered how much of the Expanded Universe is contained within the various comics!
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And speaking of the "new canon," here is the Rebels trailer:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_soLH5MWGOg
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Looks HORRIBLE...
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Only part I liked was when the Imperial commander was like: "concentrate all your fire on . . . On the Jedi!"
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Clearly Order 66 failed since there are so many jedi that survived, also I really hope they haven't change the story of the rebellion doing this, If Disney take the creation away from the force unleashed i'm going to go mad.
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Wow, that was actually painful... The stormtroopers are so dumb, they don't even know what a thermal detonator is. And they couldn't hit a guy standing all of six feet away from them, who wasn't even dodging.
I apologize for my earlier optimism, I should have known better.
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Wow, that was actually painful... The stormtroopers are so dumb, they don't even know what a thermal detonator is. And they couldn't hit a guy standing all of six feet away from them, who wasn't even dodging.
I apologize for my earlier optimism, I should have known better.
Apology accepted, Waffle Wagon.
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And again a show for the children which portrays the "evil" Empire being nothing more that bunch of stupid soldiers who don't know their own equipment led by a person who has elaborate schemes and plans which are always foiled by the heroes one way of another. And this makes me so sad.
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Clearly Order 66 failed since there are so many jedi that survived, also I really hope they haven't change the story of the rebellion doing this, If Disney take the creation away from the force unleashed i'm going to go mad.
Well to be fair it had a 99% success rate, so less than 90 Jedi survived, and of those most were killed within a few years by Vader, the Inquisitors, or the Empire and bounty Hunters in general so by Episode IV only Obi Wan and Yoda remained. I'd say order 66 was quite successful.
Oh wait...I forgot all the intervening years are now NON CANON, maybe your right, maybe order 66 just killed the dozen or so jedi in episode III and the other 8,982 survived...Kriffing Disney
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Actually, in the Legends continuity, there were as many as 54 Order 66 survivors.
Many died or were converted during the Galactic Civil War, but a few managed to outlive Darth Vader.
Vima-Da-Boda and Empatojayos Brand are the two which come to mind, though there may be more. I don't think Dass Jennir was ever killed or converted, although I haven't read the end of Dark Times so he could have been. I think Quinlan Vos ran away and was never heard from again if that counts. Then you have Celeste Morne, who I think managed to survive for the longest time after Order 66.
Then you have the Order 66 survivors who turned Sith, but not because of any effort on the Empire's part. Notable examples include Vergere and A'Sharad Hett.
Not even Yoda and Obi-Wan survived as long as the above did. I'm sure the list gets much bigger when you include those who managed to survive nineteen years after Order 66 - I'm sure there's a few of those in the Force Unleashed games.
Now, hopefully, Lucasfilm Story Group won't let too many Jedi slip through the cracks. So far, none of the old jedi survive past 3 ABY, with the possible exception of the guy from Rebels.
Also, I'm just dying to hear that Inquisitor say something like "I'd be Emperor by now if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
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For what it's worth K'Kruhk would be the longest survivor since they didn't actually ever kill him, he's still kicking after the defeat of Krayt. But never fear Order 66 lovers since that is all legends now we know of no survivors outside of Obi and Yoda
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The fact that there were a decent number of Order 66 survivors didn't really surprise me, especially considering they spend a decent amount of time in episode 3 reversing the beacon, so it's not terribly unrealistic. What does seem kind of ridiculous is how few of them seemed to do anything for the next 60 years and that they pretty much took over the New Jedi Order sometime around where Luke's death would have been.
Eitherwho, had they just done what happened with Star Trek and essentially rebooted the entire franchise, it wouldn't be as bad, but with this there seems to be some weird selectivity with what does and doesn't get included so it's more of a split with a few connecting threads. Early EU had a problem with being too gung ho Monster of the Week with no real emotional weight or depth until the Vong War, which I maintain has the best overall setup of any Star Wars series. They'd even started developing nuances in what it means to be the bad or good guy. I was sort of hoping this new universe would start with that emotional depth and character nuance, but it seems like they're doing a complete 180 on that and amping up the cartoonish caricatures to 11, literally, and trying to make the whole universe into a more kid-friendly place because MERCHANDISING! while still trying to squeeze as much cash out of the pre-existing series as possible with the "legacies" title. It's absolutely double dipping. I'm honestly not terribly concerned about preserving the integrity of the lore here, because let's face it, the EU was a mixed bag and it's pointless to deny that; I've spent enough time dealing with this universe's stupid inconsistencies and utterly weird shit to know that first hand. If they felt it made more creative sense to reboot the universe, that's their call and it's something I could get behind; we've done similar thing ourselves with the mod, and despite some initial skepticism from the community, I feel like we've made the right calls there. Instead this just seems like a move out of laziness leading to unwillingness to incorporate existing material into the new movies, as that would cut into the inevitably gigantic lens flare budget which they're feeding by releasing new stories that can tread over the exact same events of the EU.
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It all comes down to money