Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Lord Xizer on October 19, 2013, 11:49:57 PM
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Though I am a Loyal Son of the Empire I have some great admiration for a few New Republic Commanders even if I deplore their rebel affiliation.
So who would you serve with, who of these rebels earned your respect?
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Wedge, because he's the bestest!! Eating A'Boat would be a close second though, probably. Ackbar has too high a failure rate to serve under him.
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Wedge, because he's the bestest!! Eating A'Boat would be a close second though, probably. Ackbar has too high a failure rate to serve under him.
I had to go with Wedge too. He's all around a great commander and a generally likeable character.(Plus who can hate on the Rogues and Wraiths?) Though I'd serve with Bel Iblis or Nantz too as close seconds to Wedge with A'bhat running a near third. Both are tough old soldiers who earned my respect in the novels and comics. Never liked Ackbar too much(What is with him and traps anyway? I mean Endor, Bilbringi, Ciutric, Metellos, Yavin, come on man!) and while Dodonna was touted as a great tactician we really don't get to see much of his abilities save for the Death Star attack which resulted in 97% casualties for the rebel attackers(Not my IDEAL concept of a good plan). Cracken and Drayson were more sabotage and assassination(Which ironically they used Imperial Methods in their 'pure ideals') Sien Sovv in my opinion was a joke and Krefay was a decent front line commander but we only saw him against the Vong and he didn't really win too many victories there to be honest.
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Obviously it'd be Wedge, although Bel Iblis might also be interesting.
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Wedge. So good even the imperials respect him. Bel Iblis would definitely be in second place though. I know almost nothing about the other guys, and Han and Luke never really impressed me as being skilled commanders.
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Iblis reminds me of Pellaeon so id probably chose him :laugh:
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Garm, with Wedge a close second. After that, I'd mutiny before I served with any of the others.
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Bel Iblis would be my choice as he is the only one I could respect and who has shown genuine skill. Ackbar is the most overrated commander there is having won both Endor and Bilbringi, his greatest victories, with dumb luck and Wedge, while excellent pilot, seems like another rebel who just happens to be great at anything he does.
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Garm, with Wedge a close second. After that, I'd mutiny before I served with any of the others.
Why mutiny? You know that in the EU the NR is never allowed to lose, no matter how boneheaded its commanders are.
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Why mutiny? You know that in George Lucas's Star Wars the NR is never allowed to lose, no matter how boneheaded its commanders are.
Fixed to make sense.
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Ackbar is the most overrated commander there is having won both Endor and Bilbringi, his greatest victories, with dumb luck
What about masterminding Ebaq 9? Although not necessarily a tactical genius, Ackbar definitely demonstrated a strong grasp of military strategy and during the Rebellion was a key player in building up the Alliance military on less than a shoe-string budget.
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Ackbar is only good for one thing, to pop up and point out the obvious "it's a trap!!"
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Even so, he always seemed like a fairly capable commander. I'm surprised to see he hasn't gotten a single vote thus far. Mind you, I haven't read all the books, so I only know a few snapshots of success from his career.
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What about masterminding Ebaq 9? Although not necessarily a tactical genius, Ackbar definitely demonstrated a strong grasp of military strategy and during the Rebellion was a key player in building up the Alliance military on less than a shoe-string budget.
Okay I'm just going to throw this out there, everyone KNEW by the time of Ebaq how the Vong behaved and a child could have lead them into traps(I cite Borleias, the Well of the World brain and other occasions where the Vong's personality was used against them as examples) The book characters just all of a sudden acted like Ackbar had this epiphany no one else could understand. They are fanatics that don't retreat? They are obsessed with Jedi? They don't question orders? Hello! Etahn knew this, Wedge knew this, Pellaeon knew this, Bel Iblis knew this, but it takes a retired fish to put it into a plan and suddenly it's original and brilliant?
And lets face it Tsavong Lah was NOT a military genius. His battlefield success had more to do with overwhelming force and political interference in his opponents than any innate tactical ability of his own. Coruscant by all accounts was atrocious, his micromanagement of Borleias killed his own father, and his blind obsission and reverence for gods led him to his death when early in the battle it was clear EVEN to his SUBORDINATES he had gone into a trap.
It was rumored Fey'lya didn't recall ackbar due to his old rivalry, but I wouldn't have called him back due to his LOVE of falling into enemy traps himself!
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I agree with Lord Xizer, Ebaq was won by the "good" guys because the Vong and their believes prevented them from adapting to changing situation. As for Ackbar's role in building the rebel military, didn't that take something like 20 years and was only complete after Bastion Accords were signed. And the rebel strategy to win the Empire was simply take down one warlord at a time. A wise strategy, I agree, but hardly brilliant.
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I agree with Lord Xizer, Ebaq was won by the "good" guys because the Vong and their believes prevented them from adapting to changing situation. As for Ackbar's role in building the rebel military, didn't that take something like 20 years and was only complete after Bastion Accords were signed. And the rebel strategy to win the Empire was simply take down one warlord at a time. A wise strategy, I agree, but hardly brilliant.
And let's face it, the NR's successes against the Empire and it's successor states owed far more to the Imperial Civil War(and plot bunnies) than their own military prowess.
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I always found Wedge a brilliant commander. That's why i choose him.
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Plot bunnies, the evil things.
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I always found Wedge a brilliant commander. That's why i choose him.
I chose him for his adaptability and creativity. He practically revolutionized small unit tactics, snubfighter techniques and then applied those to capital ships successfully.
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Although he did get his ass handed to him by Pelleaon using the Reaper....
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This wasn't entirely his fault, it could be blamed more on faulty NR Intelligence that stated the Reaper was the last SSD left. Still, the fact that he managed to retreat with the Lusankya stands for something, especially given the 6 Interdictors the Remnant had.
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This wasn't entirely his fault, it could be blamed more on faulty NR Intelligence that stated the Reaper was the last SSD left. Still, the fact that he managed to retreat with the Lusankya stands for something, especially given the 6 Interdictors the Remnant had.
Agreed, though Pellaeon did a great job of luring him into that situation. Also while I harp on Ackbar I will give him some credit, his battle with Krennal above Ciutric IV was actually very well run.
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This wasn't entirely his fault, it could be blamed more on faulty NR Intelligence that stated the Reaper was the last SSD left. Still, the fact that he managed to retreat with the Lusankya stands for something, especially given the 6 Interdictors the Remnant had.
And once again it was Rogues who saved the day. And Lusankya seems quite durable considering it was being attacked by two SSDs. Executor, Iron Fist and Knight Hammer were all defeated by a small number of Rebels.
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And once again it was Rogues who saved the day. And Lusankya seems quite durable considering it was being attacked by two SSDs. Executor, Iron Fist and Knight Hammer were all defeated by a small number of Rebels.
Yes, and the Empire would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those Pesky Rogues and their Wedge Too!!!
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And once again it was Rogues who saved the day. And Lusankya seems quite durable considering it was being attacked by two SSDs. Executor, Iron Fist and Knight Hammer were all defeated by a small number of Rebels.
Durability of SSDs is a consistently inconsistent feature in the Star Wars universe. I seem to recall Lusankya demonstrated a considerable lack of durability when Wedge/Rogue Squadron captured it from Isard in the first place! On the other hand, Mon Remonda was also surprisingly durable when up against Iron Fist..
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Durability of SSDs is a consistently inconsistent feature in the Star Wars universe. I seem to recall Lusankya demonstrated a considerable lack of durability when Wedge/Rogue Squadron captured it from Isard in the first place! On the other hand, Mon Remonda was also surprisingly durable when up against Iron Fist..
That...has bugged me a lot now that you mention it...Iron Fist alone should have been a match for Solo's fleet but with 3 vessels against it it's forced to retreat? The Lusankya situation was a bit more understandable as Wedge designed tactics specifically to hurt an SSD(Snubs and insane amounts of Proton Torps)
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well as i remember iron fist had to retreat because by the time it could bring its guns to bear it would have lost shields leaving it vulnerable a risk zinj was willing to take not becuse it couldn't winafter all the prior most cause of SSD .lose is a lucky hit on the bridge one it shields are down
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Lets be honest and just call it what it is, inconsisten plot bunnies needing for the Empire to lose regardless, and the Rebels to always win against incredible odds.
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Yeah, pretty much. SSD's are always just as strong or weak as the plot requires them to be. Probably true for regular ISD's too, they seem to fluctuate a lot in power depending on who's writing.
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Exactly. The reason most of the EU books I can't read. The plot bunnies are intolerable.
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Exactly. The reason most of the EU books I can't read. The plot bunnies are intolerable.
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