Thrawn's Revenge
Imperial Civil War [Empire at War] => Discussion, Suggestions & Feedback => Topic started by: jordanthejq12 on July 05, 2013, 01:42:55 PM
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Hello, everyone! I grabbed this mod a couple of weeks ago and love it. I couldn't help but notice something, however. Luke gets to fly again, which is nice, but his Lucky Shot seems busted. Is it at all possible to get this to work again, and if so, could it be done for 2.1? Thanks!
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Hello, everyone! I grabbed this mod a couple of weeks ago and love it. I couldn't help but notice something, however. Luke gets to fly again, which is nice, but his Lucky Shot seems busted. Is it at all possible to get this to work again, and if so, could it be done for 2.1? Thanks!
His Lucky Shot didnt work in vanilla FoC either, so there's that.
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and technically he only got one lucky shot against the DSI
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and technically he only got one lucky shot against the DSI
I'd say the AT-AT was pretty lucky.
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Do you mean his killing it or his not shattering his legs when he fell from it?
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Is the Death Star Shot really lucky?
It seemed more of a Force assisted shot if anything.
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I'd change it then, instead of calling it Lucky Shot, it should be Force Shot or something similar =P
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How about Terrorist murderer shot? Since it killed so many innocent Imperials.
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Because it's not like they had anything to do with blowing up an entire planet full of innocent people.
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They posted the plans for the demolition of that planning many months in advance. It's not THEIR fault that the inhabitants never bothered to go to their nearby galacting planning office and hunted through the basement file cabinets where there is no light to find them!!
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Because it's not like they had anything to do with blowing up an entire planet full of innocent people.
It's not that I don't like blowing up things (wich I do) but to big problems, big solutions, in this case the death star. So blowing an entire planet with "innocent" people was part of the big solution for the empire against the rebels
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Because it's not like they had anything to do with blowing up an entire planet full of innocent people.
Okay lets be perfectly clear. Alderaan was a major supporter of the Rebellion, they gave comfort, food, fuel and shelter to them as often as the could. They were doing more than their share of helping hurt the Empire. It was like the US in WWI and WWII, neutral, yeah right. We funded EVERY single person who wanted to stop the Central Powers and later the Fascists and Japanese(granted in WWII it was definitely the right thing to do). It really should not have come as a surprise the Empire justly retaliated on that world. Also to be truly fair Grand Moff Tarkin and the Gunners killed that world. The rest of the DS I's garrison were innocent bystanders...
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It really should not have come as a surprise the Empire justly retaliated on that world. Also to be truly fair Grand Moff Tarkin and the Gunners killed that world. The rest of the DS I's garrison were innocent bystanders...
That is one hell of a retaliation haha. Though one would think being assigned to a giant planet destroying ball, that they would be ok with said ball destroying planets.
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Okay lets be perfectly clear. Alderaan was a major supporter of the Rebellion, they gave comfort, food, fuel and shelter to them as often as the could. They were doing more than their share of helping hurt the Empire. It was like the US in WWI and WWII, neutral, yeah right. We funded EVERY single person who wanted to stop the Central Powers and later the Fascists and Japanese(granted in WWII it was definitely the right thing to do). It really should not have come as a surprise the Empire justly retaliated on that world. Also to be truly fair Grand Moff Tarkin and the Gunners killed that world. The rest of the DS I's garrison were innocent bystanders...
You have my support xizer hahah
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Okay lets be perfectly clear. Alderaan was a major supporter of the Rebellion, they gave comfort, food, fuel and shelter to them as often as the could. They were doing more than their share of helping hurt the Empire. It was like the US in WWI and WWII, neutral, yeah right. We funded EVERY single person who wanted to stop the Central Powers and later the Fascists and Japanese(granted in WWII it was definitely the right thing to do). It really should not have come as a surprise the Empire justly retaliated on that world. Also to be truly fair Grand Moff Tarkin and the Gunners killed that world. The rest of the DS I's garrison were innocent bystanders...
Yeah I doubt 2 billion people were hiding rebels in their basements. You're talking about leadership or former military (they were DEMILITARIZED) aiding the rebels. Even the highest amount is a handful of people, not a whole planet. That is one hell of a collateral damage to try to justify (killing 1.999 billion to get 1 million sympathizers.) As for the DS, each and every one of those soldiers contributed to the inner workings of that station, and it's operation. It was their job. It wouldn't make any difference if the aren't the one to give the order or flip the switch to blow up a planet full of babies and space woodland creatures. That's why blowing up a ship isn't considered thousands of counts of murder and dozens counts of self defense for all the gun battery gunners.
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Yeah I doubt 2 billion people were hiding rebels in their basements. You're talking about leadership or former military (they were DEMILITARIZED) aiding the rebels. Even the highest amount is a handful of people, not a whole planet. That is one hell of a collateral damage to try to justify (killing 1.999 billion to get 1 million sympathizers.) As for the DS, each and every one of those soldiers contributed to the inner workings of that station, and it's operation. It was their job. It wouldn't make any difference if the aren't the one to give the order or flip the switch to blow up a planet full of babies and space woodland creatures. That's why blowing up a ship isn't considered thousands of counts of murder and dozens counts of self defense for all the gun battery gunners.
Yeah I doubt 2 billion people were hiding rebels in their basements. You're talking about leadership or former military (they were DEMILITARIZED) aiding the rebels. Even the highest amount is a handful of people, not a whole planet. That is one hell of a collateral damage to try to justify (killing 1.999 billion to get 1 million sympathizers.) As for the DS, each and every one of those soldiers contributed to the inner workings of that station, and it's operation. It was their job. It wouldn't make any difference if the aren't the one to give the order or flip the switch to blow up a planet full of babies and space woodland creatures. That's why blowing up a ship isn't considered thousands of counts of murder and dozens counts of self defense for all the gun battery gunners.
Alderaan was one of the three founding worlds of the Rebellion. Its Senator (who speaks for the ENTIRE planet) agreed to help revolt and rabblerouse against the peacekeepers of the galaxy. Sure, all they did was supply money and supplies, but without money and food there would not have been a rebellion. By speaking for the entire planet, ex-Senator Bail Organa turned the whole planet against the Empire. Don't blame the Empire, blame Bail Organa.
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Alderaan was one of the three founding worlds of the Rebellion. Its Senator (who speaks for the ENTIRE planet) agreed to help revolt and rabblerouse against the peacekeepers of the galaxy. Sure, all they did was supply money and supplies, but without money and food there would not have been a rebellion. By speaking for the entire planet, ex-Senator Bail Organa turned the whole planet against the Empire. Don't blame the Empire, blame Bail Organa.
And if my memory is rigth, he died along with the planet he represented. That's what happens to traitors
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Yeah I doubt 2 billion people were hiding rebels in their basements. You're talking about leadership or former military (they were DEMILITARIZED) aiding the rebels. Even the highest amount is a handful of people, not a whole planet. That is one hell of a collateral damage to try to justify (killing 1.999 billion to get 1 million sympathizers.) As for the DS, each and every one of those soldiers contributed to the inner workings of that station, and it's operation. It was their job. It wouldn't make any difference if the aren't the one to give the order or flip the switch to blow up a planet full of babies and space woodland creatures. That's why blowing up a ship isn't considered thousands of counts of murder and dozens counts of self defense for all the gun battery gunners.
Hey you make an omelet gotta break a few eggs. Personally I think there were better targets(Chandrilla and Mon Calamari just to name two) and that the population could have been put to much better use as slave labor for the Imperial War machine. Also it's not as though Alderaan was rendered extinct, good hearted General Derricote had the Alderaan Biotics facility to produce comfort food for orphaned Alderannians and what about all those wonderful resettlement camps? The Empire did it's part to do the right thing and how did the Alderanians respond? Selfish grumbling about a single planet.
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Hey you make an omelet gotta break a few eggs. Personally I think there were better targets(Chandrilla and Mon Calamari just to name two) and that the population could have been put to much better use as slave labor for the Imperial War machine. Also it's not as though Alderaan was rendered extinct, good hearted General Derricote had the Alderaan Biotics facility to produce comfort food for orphaned Alderannians and what about all those wonderful resettlement camps? The Empire did it's part to do the right thing and how did the Alderanians respond? Selfish grumbling about a single planet.
Mon Calamari was on the list of shit to blow up, actually. But the whole Yavin fiasco kind of put that plan to a halt.
Until Palpatine was reborn, anyways.
And then again with Darth Krayt.
Fish heads got what they deserved. Damned for crafting those horrific space whales.
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Don't blame the Empire, blame Bail Organa.
Why not both? Blame the evil, baby killing monster and the guy who poked it with a stick.
Hey you make an omelet gotta break a few eggs. Personally I think there were better targets(Chandrilla and Mon Calamari just to name two) and that the population could have been put to much better use as slave labor for the Imperial War machine. Also it's not as though Alderaan was rendered extinct, good hearted General Derricote had the Alderaan Biotics facility to produce comfort food for orphaned Alderannians and what about all those wonderful resettlement camps? The Empire did it's part to do the right thing and how did the Alderanians respond? Selfish grumbling about a single planet.
Slavery? Selfish grumbling for the deaths of billions of non-combatants? I gotta tell you, if your standard for ethical action is "not my problem, I got mine" you just might be evil.
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Slavery? Selfish grumbling for the deaths of billions of non-combatants? I gotta tell you, if your standard for ethical action is "not my problem, I got mine" you just might be evil.
Quite possible actually. I supported the Empire fully in all it's forms(save for under Isard, I just detest her.)
I rooted for Palpatine, most of the Warlords as long as they fought the NR, Thrawn, Kaine, Jerec and Pellaeon. I even liked the Yevetha and Vong until they attacked my beloved Empire.
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I just hate whiny snots, so never rooted FOR Palpatine, but actively rooted against the whiny rebel scum in every battle. I did root for Thrawn, Kaine, Pellaeon though, since they're all likeable.
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Quite possible actually. I supported the Empire fully in all it's forms(save for under Isard, I just detest her.)
I rooted for Palpatine, most of the Warlords as long as they fought the NR, Thrawn, Kaine, Jerec and Pellaeon. I even liked the Yevetha and Vong until they attacked my beloved Empire.
Funny thing that your Avatar is Admiral Zaarin. A traitor to the Empire.
This man is obviously an agent of the Rebellion.
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Funny thing that your Avatar is Admiral Zaarin. A traitor to the Empire.
This man is obviously an agent of the Rebellion.
As much as this seems traitorous, I believe Xizer is a loyal Son of the Empire and the Imperial Alignment (of which Xizer is a senior member) will support his claims that he is a true Imperial.
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Quite possible actually. I supported the Empire fully in all it's forms(save for under Isard, I just detest her.)
I rooted for Palpatine, most of the Warlords as long as they fought the NR, Thrawn, Kaine, Jerec and Pellaeon. I even liked the Yevetha and Vong until they attacked my beloved Empire.
Well I wasn't calling you evil just the whole imperial mindset. Kind of a "you know if your a redneck" way of calling the empire evil.
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Funny thing that your Avatar is Admiral Zaarin. A traitor to the Empire.
This man is obviously an agent of the Rebellion.
Ah, but you forget. Zaarin never once had dealings with the Rebels. Yes he betrayed the Emperor though to a degree I can admire him. He singlehandely masterminded a plot right under the very noses of the two most powerful men in the Galaxy(who ALSO had the vaunted Force to foresee and protect them) rose to one of the highest positions in the Empire and nearly succeeded in killing BOTH Sith Lords at the height of their power and even lured Grand Admiral Thrawn into two traps he nearly didn't escape from, all with a fleet of less than 27 ships while going it alone! No help from the rebs, no political alliances, the man was a genius and he believed in the Empire, just not in Palpatine. He created the greatest Starfighter the Empire would have for years as well the TIE Defender.
I admire ambition and courage, but Imperial Rule and stability are why I support the Empire. Read the books, all the NR did was usher in chaos and border wars then utterly fail time and again against the Vong. Can you seriously tel me that the Galaxy would not have been better off under the stern but wise hand of a Grand Admiral(Thrawn, Zaarin, Pellaeon) or a Grand Moff(Kaine)?
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To be honest, this is impressive. My question was, in essence, whether or not Luke's broken special is fixable. And we get a nice little discussion.
On this present topic: Thrawn is likable. The galaxy would have been fine under him. But it's impossible not to think of a galaxy without Jedi...and that's why people root for the Rebs/NR. They had the backing of the Jedi, who to the outsider or casual fan are the good guys, and that's that. It takes a rather deeper knowledge of Star Wars to like an Imperial who did not as some point flip to the Rebs, because of how the general public of fandom, so to speak, sees it. The Empire is evil, the Jedi are good. Period.
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Well I wasn't calling you evil just the whole imperial mindset. Kind of a "you know if your a redneck" way of calling the empire evil.
lol Oh I know. I do find it ironic that I always have found the villains more engaging than the heroes(except the Rogues and Wraiths, I love those nutjobs lol)
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I've always liked the heroes. Those gallant folks who try to keep order and civility in the universe, not the chaos-aligned evil scum that foment rebellion and discord.
:D
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I've always liked the heroes. Those gallant folks who try to keep order and civility in the universe, not the chaos-aligned evil scum that foment rebellion and discord.
:D
No hero can be just brave and gallant and all good. Ned Stark tried this, and look where it got him. Villains do bad because they believe what they are doing is right and are willing to do anything to achieve it. Either way, they fight for what they believe in and think nothing of the bad they do, because it is necessary.
Heroes, on the other hand, are faced with an impossible choice: fight by the rules of good and justice and (often times) lose, or break those rules and do whatever must be done to defeat the evil. Either way, they lose; either way, they have to live with what they have done. Either their inaction leads to loss of the battle, or their action leads to the betrayal of everything they swear to preserve. At least villains can sleep content at night, knowing that whatever they did was "for the cause."
Now, I admit that this does not include ones who enjoy doing evil just for evil's sake. These (like Palpatine) are not to my liking. In my opinion, so-called villains such as Thrawn, Pellaeon, and others (even Dooku) are not really villains; they are more anti-hero, more of a hero for the other side. Heroes are villains and villains are heroes, "from a certain point of view."
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All I know, is that Luke cannot be a hero. Anyone whose acting is THAT bad...*shudders*
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All I know, is that Luke cannot be a hero. Anyone whose acting is THAT bad...*shudders*
Luke was fine.
It was Anakin that ticked me off...
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Anakin was at least young enough to be forgiven to an extent. I personally find that Lukes acting in Ep IV was no better than Ani in EP 1.
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Rebels/Imperials are really both good sides it's just a question of the point of view that your at.
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Rebels/Imperials are really both good sides it's just a question of the point of view that your at.
Let's just say I'm from Alderaan.
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Let's just say I'm from Alderaan.
And I am a family member of one of the crewmen of the Death Star when it was destroyed.
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This...could be awkward. Let's say this: the destruction of Alderaan was sheer overkill masterminded by a Sith. The destruction of the DS was the Rebels doing what they had to do to survive.
To avenge the workings of a Sith.
A SITH.*
(*I'm referencing a PS3 commercial where the spokesman rebukes the kid for whining about his grandma not giving up the controller: "You know what your grandmother did for fun? She pushed a hoop with a stick. With a stick. A STICK.")
Anyway, back on topic, revanchist is right about villians being heroes and vice versa. Lawful good is the absolute worst point on the spectrum, because of that situation he also mentioned. It's always more fun to watch the good guys take on the likes of Palpatine, because very little they do can measure up to, say, destroying a planet. Or the million other things Sith do.
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This...could be awkward. Let's say this: the destruction of Alderaan was sheer overkill masterminded by a Sith. The destruction of the DS was the Rebels doing what they had to do to survive.
To avenge the workings of a Sith.
Actually Alderaan going Bye Bye was Tarkin's call.(Though I'm certain the Emperor did approve of his initiative)
Now, I admit that this does not include ones who enjoy doing evil just for evil's sake. These (like Palpatine) are not to my liking. In my opinion, so-called villains such as Thrawn, Pellaeon, and others (even Dooku) are not really villains; they are more anti-hero, more of a hero for the other side. Heroes are villains and villains are heroes, "from a certain point of view."
I found Dooku a fascinating character from his inception. His whole character is in response to Pride and Betrayal. He started off with good intentions but felt the "Ends Justify the Means" as his character progressed though you saw his Pride begin to take a more active role. He wanted to be the most powerful ever and be recognized as such as well as destroyer of corruption. Then Sidious worked him over and he began to lose sight of his original intentions, by Clone Wars end he was hardly recognizable morally. His last glimmer of humanity died on Vjun when he thought Yoda had betrayed him. After this he was fully and irrevocably lost to the Dark.
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Even after he was fully dark, though, he still believed in what he was fighting fr and that Palpatine would bring about true peace. I think if he saw what the Empire actually became under Palpatine, he would have rebelled against it.
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I'm not so sure, didn't the RotS novel say that Dooku really wanted to stab his Confederacy allies in the back and create a human-supremacist Sith dictatorship?
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I'm not so sure, didn't the RotS novel say that Dooku really wanted to stab his Confederacy allies in the back and create a human-supremacist Sith dictatorship?
Don't think so.
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Actually he did, I just checked the audio version.
Wookieepedia also says:
As Tyranus, Dooku became a Humanocentrist.[31] While he remained a connoisseur of alien art and antiquities,[111] he secretly despised most if not all of the corrupt aliens on the Separatist Council, though he reserved a measure of respect for the Geonosian Poggle. He divided the entire galaxy into two categories: threats and assets. The threat category was for beings or institutions that interfered with his personal advancement and would have to be eliminated, the asset category being for those who could aid, or at least not hinder his advancement.[31]
By the time of the Clone Wars, Dooku believed that the sorrow and injustice of the galaxy could only be responded to with anger and hate.[15] He came to believe that the Jedi Order should embrace the dark side and rule the galaxy alone without the interference of the Senate. As Tyranus, he planned to transform the Jedi into a Sith Army, and intended to forcibly recruit Force-users into its ranks.[31] While often assuming a genteel and civilized manner, Dooku had no qualms about torturing[63] or ordering the deaths of hundreds of his former comrades,[6] nor about committing any number of atrocities as leader of the Separatists.
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Yes he'd gone too far into the dark and like Saruman was utterly consumed by pride and wrath in the end
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I stand corrected.
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Such is the ultimate price of the dark side. Dark may not be evil at first, but just you wait.
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Such is the ultimate price of the dark side. Dark may not be evil at first, but just you wait.
The only ones who can control the dark are those who have been redeemed from the dark (and thus know the corrupting influence of dark and can successfully fight against it) such as Revan.
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I'm not sure whether this topic turned into a debate about dooku or something like that, or if the reason why it doesn't work has been answered, but my honest opinion of why Lucky Shot doesn't work in FoC is because in EaW, there is a glitch where Lucky Shot causes A LOT more damage than it was designed to do. For example, on an Empire space station lvl 2 in skirmish, if you perform the glitch right, Lucky Shot will take about 2/3 of the stations life away, and each hardpoint would have around 33% of their life remaining. So disabling Lucky Shot was probably intended by Petroglyph :(. It probably IS possible to enable it again if you mess with some code, and hopefully it will be changed, because I'll be glitching 24/7 in gc if it is ;)!
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Thank you for the clear and concise answer. Now this thread can die in peace.
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old threads never die...they just spam away...
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on the note of the Death Star.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6613681/1/The-Death-Star-Trap
I consider this fc 100% canon
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Interesting