Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on August 05, 2007, 12:37:13 PM
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There is no doubt in my mind that the moncal cruisers saved the rebellion ther ships where stonger than wstar destroyeres expscilly the later ships mc-90 mc-85 ECT. so what do you *Points to evrey one reading this thread* think?
Make no mistake, the Mon Calamari saved the galaxy. Their cruisers protected our fleet at the Battle of Endor, allowing the starfighters to penetrate the second Death Star's core. Without Admiral Ackbar and his people, we would all be the Emperor's slaves."
―Mon Mothma
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Viscount Star defender eqivialiant to ssd
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Mc 90 Mon cal battle ship
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Mon Remonda
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home one class
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Liberty Class
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The later classes after it was the New Republic and GFFA rather than the Rebellion were generally better than ISDs. However, all of the ones the Rebels had were weaker than ISDs. Yes, they did arguaably save the Rebellion but they were just converted luxery cruisers. They could not beat ISDs on their own.
Also, MC85 was our own invention because of how weak the other Mon Cals were.
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ah kinda like zerox and the MC 75 also anther ship that help the rebellion immensely was the Dauntless cruiser
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They never had a Dauntless. Dauntless class was only in SW Rebellionfor balance purposes.
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And the way you say it, you could argue everything saved the rebellion
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I like the Viscount and the Monremonda. and Home one.
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Also, moved to Star Wars Discussion
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Mc 90 looks like Mon Remonda. WHat capital ships will Rebellion have?
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hmm id hope some of the above the empires got to much fire power god theres about a snowballs chance in hell of taking down an executor. :P whit any thing shot of a swam of bombers hail the mighty b-wing fleet yall need a hailing smiley
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I don't that Mon Calamari cruiser saved rebellion. They weren't that good against ISDs. I think that what really saved rebellion was their superior starfighters, like X-wing, B-wing and what else did they have. Empires TIEs were not as good as those fighters. And let's remember that snubfighters (with the help form Millenium Falcon) destroyed both Death Stars. Not your precious Mon Calamari Cruisers.
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very true, their snubfighters allowed them to do hit and run strikes too because of their hyperdrives.
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yes. MCCs were mostly protecting their bases before Endor, while snubfighters harassed Empires supply convoys and shipyards and other installations.
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what you fail to realize if the mcc had not been harassing the lager capital ships the empire would ofsimpl launced more fighters in to the ds and killd th rebel fighters in route star fighters are not the most important tjing to a fleet there only a part thant makes it whole aka you nee corvetts frigates capital cass ships and friATES AND SNUB fighters to get the job done and every one shold know if acbar hadent taken out the esecutot she would have sen all her fighters after the rebel fighter headed to the ds
We got to give those fighters more time concentrate all your fire on that super star destroyer
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Being engaged with an enemy ship isn't going to stop fighters from launching. Notice how it was an A-wing that finally made them lose control of the Executor and hit the Death Star? The Executor was far from finished before the A-Wing hit the main command bridge, it had just lost it's shield. The loss of control allowed it to be pulled in by the Death Star.
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And you said it takes alot of ships to make up a fleet, not just cruisers, so your kinda defeating yourself
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yes but the rebs couldent very well send a moncal amari cuiser in sidr th ds 2 could they
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I say that the X wing and the Millennium Falcon saved the Rebellion. WOHOOO!!
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yep. That was because there was limited number of large capital ships and because they were weak against ISDs.
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Everything is weak against ISD's.
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I don't think SSd is weak against ISD.
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I didntr mean other imperials.
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Lusankya got to be NR
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As did Guardian. I don't think that the biggest ships in the NR and GFFA fleet were weak against ISDs. Althought in rebel alliance they only had ships that were weak against ISDs.
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Some ones a little to whats tha word UMMMMMMMMMM
Oh yeah you all semm to favor thye empire even though they got PAWNED
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well lets face the fact that Empire lost solely because it is a way of movies to end. The "good" must always beat the "bad". But if it were real life I am sure that the Empire would have won rebels 10-0.
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Yes. In A New Hope, why did not the DS designers just have put a sheild around that exaust port. Plus, you cant have exaust in space.
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I think that if the exhaust port would have been shielded, the radiation it exahels would have passed the shield. and in that case you wouldn't even need the port anyway.
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But if you did not need it than the radiation would have passed through the DS and hit the crew.
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yes. but my point is that maybe it wasn't shielded because the shield would have blocked the radiations way out of the core. meaning that it would have the same result if you build a shield to protect the port and not have a hole at all.
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They Empire "pawned" itself. The rebels lost almost every battle that didn't have an overly large waste of superlaser dishes and credits. The Mon Calamari Cruisers allowed them to engage Star destroyers (Not all 24,000 of em) and at least have a chance of winning if they did it properly. After Palpatine's death what was left was a bunch of greedy high position people and Grand Admirals that started fighting amongst themselves as well as fighting the New Republic which was constantly growing.
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Good point. If Thrawn hadn't died, even if he wasn't a genius, the empire still would have won because he unified it.
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About the DS exhaust port, it was particle shielded, so energy like lasers and radiation couldn't get through, but solid objects like a proton torpedoe could
And you can have exhaust in space, why would you not be able to?
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After Palpatine's death what was left was a bunch of greedy high position people and Grand Admirals that started fighting amongst themselves as well as fighting the New Republic which was constantly growing.
I believe that if the Grand Admirals and other power hungry fools had united their strenght, they would have still destroyed the rebel alliance.
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I doubt it, it would have been a much longer war, but at the empires height with palpatine and they still couldnt defeat the rebels, i doubt anyone but Thrawn would have been able to pull it off
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If GAs would have united immediatly after Endor I believe they would have won.
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But they were united before Endor and the rebellion was moving pretty strong
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But they weren't allowed to act freely. Emperor didn't allow that. He wanted to destroy the rebellion with DSII.
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After Palpatine's death what was left was a bunch of greedy high position people and Grand Admirals that started fighting amongst themselves as well as fighting the New Republic which was constantly growing.
I believe that if the Grand Admirals and other power hungry fools had united their strenght, they would have still destroyed the rebel alliance.
No, always pull it off somehow.
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get on topic worms this tread about mon cal cruises no empires ga'
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well what is there to say about MCCs. They sucked compared to ISDs.
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yet they still bashed the isd's god look your imperialness if an infirior ship can take down one thats suprior than how is it inferior therfore the mon cal had the better ships Face it
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the reason of rebel victory in Endor was explained by Thrawn.
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im not talking about endor im talking avout the entire war here broden the whole war
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well I think that rebels won due to their use of snubfighters.
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And never once did a rebel capitol ship win in a slug match against an imperial one
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never as far as I know.
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if they had they would have been killed.
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smashes head agains desk okay ill give you the reun down
1:mccs Had over lapping sheilds giving them more durubillity
2:Stucturally mcc are better made
3: moncalamari shipyards are suppior shipbuilders to kuat
4:Mccs could out manuver isds
5:while not as hevaly armwd the number of hiden weapons making it hard to target the emplacements
6:The rebs where better motivated
7:The rebles won because of better pilots shure but the had suppirior commades acbar Drayson
Bel-iblis madine ect dodanna ackbar
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But the ships themselves couldnt stand against other imperial capitols ships, it doesnt matter about anything except that they just didnt have the firepower
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They still could not stand up to ISDs. Better commanders? One word. Thrawn! No one could beat him. Even at a numerical disadvantage he would send anyone packing.
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but thrawn dident retur until the new republic im talkin rebellion era
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And during the rebellion the MC's didnt pack enough punch
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I agree, they were just refurbished cruise liners. They just could not stand up to ISDs.
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smashes head agains desk okay ill give you the reun down
1:mccs Had over lapping sheilds giving them more durubillity
2:Stucturally mcc are better made
3: moncalamari shipyards are suppior shipbuilders to kuat
4:Mccs could out manuver isds
5:while not as hevaly armwd the number of hiden weapons making it hard to target the emplacements
6:The rebs where better motivated
7:The rebles won because of better pilots shure but the had suppirior commades acbar Drayson
Bel-iblis madine ect dodanna ackbar
I think that nearly all rebel commanders were not even nearly as good as their imperial counterparts. And I say Kuat would beat Mon Cal shipyards every fucking day. If they coulsn't then why did rebel want to get kuat int heir hands?
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yes i agree
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Not that i dont agree with you Meyer, but they wanted Kuat both to take it from the Empire and just to have another major shipyard, not neccessarily cause it was better
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well Kuat did produce most of Empires 25000 ISDs. Did Mon Cal shipyards produce as much MCCs?
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I don't think that Kuat produced all of them. There was also Fondor, Sluis Van and who knows how many other shipyards.
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there was probably about 10 shipyards that produced the isd's
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kuat and fondor produced most the star destroyers
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well thats hardly a surprise
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especially Kuat.
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and wasn't the Kuat said to be "the best shipyard in the Galaxy"
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largest not best Quality over quantity
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Kuat had good quality, not as good as mon cal though
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arguable.
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Quality in both was the same, it was the type of ships built that was different
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And ISDs were much better.
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Than early MCs
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than any mcc in mu opinion.
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Id say MC90 is better
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and hapan battle dragons pawn all
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no they don't.
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If the design was updated with rapid recharge turbolasers and other republic/imperial technology, they could be.
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They're not amzing, but there not bad
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they're somewhere in the middle.
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Yeah, they're not powerhouses but they are good solid warship
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yep. They are effective but they have their weaknesses.
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I agree, they do have there strengths and weaknesses.
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as do everyship.
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unfortunately they look odd
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They look cool, 2 split sections, more ships should look like that.
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for real
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god i hope not
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I think ISD looks much greater than battle dragon.
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Republic Star Destroyers even cooler
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no way isd2 all the way
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ill jump on the band wagon for the empire
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good
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The isd2 looks much cooler than any ship.
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yep. well many chiss ships sound nice. and all of the EotH ships forthis modlook as cool as ISD2.
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I would have to say that most ships in Star Wars look cool.
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good point.
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very true
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