Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Raptor on July 20, 2007, 09:51:15 AM
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"Well"
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What exactly are we supposed to be voting on here. Whether we support it, whether we want to illegally immigrate, whether we know an illegal immigrant, whether we are a against it, what ?
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I also would like to know what are we supposed to vote in here. Personally I'm against all sort of immigration, legal and illegal.
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Fixed.
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I think it should be easier to get it but much more severe consequences for illlegally crossing the border
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me agrees, me thinks we need a ten foot wall
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a literal wall too, not a chain link fence, i climb those easily
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Or how about a border patrol/National Guard that shoots on sight?
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maybe thats a little harsh
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Nah. It just make shift changes a bit more interesting.
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If they could shoot those illelgal immigrants I would join them. I hate those bastards!
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i thought u lived in europe?
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so you think the usa is the only country with immgration problems?
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well, no, i just didnt realize finland had them
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we don't actually. But I would like to get rid of all immigrants in Finland, legal and illegal. They come here to live tax free and take our jobs. I say we should kick them all out of our country.
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tax free?
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yep. immigrants come here and live tax free for couple years.
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dang, no taxes, i might come to finland
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be prepared to be beaten to death by skinheads.
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then maybe i wont come to Finland
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I voted it must be stopped. There should be an option where the people that hired them get in trouble with the law.
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Most of the people that are hired though have legal work visas, they just never go back to Mexico or whereever
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Illegal immigration is wrong. Ever had or heard of someone with a house not done properly, probably because the company who made your house hired the illegal aliens for cheap labor. I also think all U.S. citizens should learn english. There should be a 15-20 ft. wall across the borders.
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i am against illegal immigration but it isnt an easy prob. to fix. i live in California in a rural area and there are tons of illegals working in my area. the reason is, is because californians are too lazy to go work in the fields themselves so they hire cheap labor. where can we find that much labor? solve that problem then we solve the immigrant problem
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I also think all U.S. citizens should learn english.
That's quite easy to get citizenship. I speak english. Where can I leave my application?
And Scarecrow63 if you immigrant to Finland you also get money from government to support you.
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I voted it must be stopped. There should be an option where the people that hired them get in trouble with the law.
It's much to complex a problem to put specific things like that in the poll.
I voted to make it easier to immigrate.
That means more taxpayers, more people actually contributing to America. Illegal immigrants only immigrate illegally because it can be a difficult and lengthy process to become a citizen. Not because they want to "poison" America with their culture or take out jobs.
Making the path to citizenship will also make it easier to monitor who is coming in and out of the country, less people will be insistent on sneaking in.
The most depressing part of this, is that it is the business world which does not want to see this issue resolved, they enjoy the cheap, legally semi-non-existent employees.
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Although, it should be easier to become a citizen you cannot excuse the illegals for it. If they want to live here then they should follow the laws that we make. Being an illegal is being a criminal. Junot's town is full of criminals and so is mine. If they are already criminals then what is to prevent them from doing other illegal things. Deporting them will not help they can just come back!
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I disagree. All they have to do is go to Mexico City and get a passport. And we should deport them. But i am not a racist, i applaud all those who come legally.
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I hate all immigrants, legal and illegal. Christians, jews, muslims, black, yellow, white, everybody. I hate them all equally.
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The thing is, even if immigrants know the countries main language (I wonder if you learned Cherokee at any point in your life...) , they would rather use their own in most cases, unless they're talking to somebody who can't understand them. Illegal immigrants are criminals, yes, but they are criminals that are looking for a better life. They are only as likely to do another crime if it threatens their new-found "freedom" in most cases, just like anybody else... However there are many more things that can threaten their freedom.
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immigrants should stay in the countries they are born. It isn't our fault their life ins't perfect. It isn't our fault they fight against each other in Africa and battle in Iraq and then there is Israel that fighs against every muslim nation it can.
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But America was started by immigrants wanting a better life, i think it would be extremely hypocritical if we just slammed the door down
And its not easy to get citizenship, you have to have like $30,000 to get legally live in the US, and the reason most immigrants are here is because they dont have that in the first place
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But America was started by immigrants wanting a better life, i think it would be extremely hypocritical if we just slammed the door down
We didn't mess their lives. you play with the cards you are given.
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And right now America is their ace in the hole
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immigrants should stay in the countries they are born. It isn't our fault their life ins't perfect. It isn't our fault they fight against each other in Africa and battle in Iraq and then there is Israel that fighs against every muslim nation it can.
In most cases, Israel was attacked first by those countries, or had a serious threat against Israel.
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This is perfectly on topic, we are discussing immigration and its subsequent consequences.
But to address the Israel issue, you would, I'm sure, resist a country if say France decided to put all of its Algerians in one of the most culturally significant places in your country and made it its own sovereign nation.
Don't forget the West created Israel after WWII cause there was no where else to put the Jews, except on muslim land, which at the time was all European Colonies.
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arbiter in response to your language comment you made earlier:
i do not remember where i read it but i read an article, about mexican immigrants to california, and in most cases they are finding that whether they are illegal or not spanish is disappearing by the third generation. it comes out of a desire to fit into their new country.
personally i am all for immigration, as long as it is done legally. for example i would love to go live in Scotland.
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Well if you think California is in England.
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health care in USA sucks.
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Only if you cant afford it :angel:
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Well luckily I live in a country were there is good health care for free.
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That sounds like an immigration paradise, no taxes, free healthcare
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Don't you dare come to here.
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I'll be sure to. NOT. Why would I want to live in a country without all the BENEFICIAL FREEDOMS we have here in the U. S. OF A..
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Meyer, im sure Finland will address their immigration problem later.
raptor must u always provoke meyer?
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I was just stating the supiriority of the U.S.
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just becuase we are the super power doesnt mean we are superior in all ways. i would perfer to have all my healthcare taken care of by the state like in britain.
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Like the Cuban Health Care. :P
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no not like cuba.
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If everyone had state bestowed health care taxes would triple and the middle and lower classes would suffer. not to mention all the jails are filled up cause noone can pay there taxes. If you want health care go get it dont make everyone have it. Did I also mention that the state decides who can get medication? A lot of people will die that could have survived.
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Have you ever heard of a place called Canada, GAP?
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yes, sorry i meant canada but typed britain.
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Canadas health care is almost as bad as Cubas.
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How do you figure?
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if you have ha a history of bad health and you go to the hospital with a heart attack they wont treat you cause of your medical history.
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Thats not true. My grandfather has gone to the hospital for several heart operations, and a bunch of other stuff in the past.
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You do not understand. With the CANADIAN health care if you have a bad med. history and yo go to the hospital for an EMERGENCY.
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I am Canadian. Many members of my family have gone to the hospital for an Emergency.
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He got u there Raptor
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With bad med record? :o
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As I said, one of my grandparents has a history of heart problems. And another one had about 4 strokes in one year before, yet they both got into a hospital every time. Not every procedure is covered, there is the occaisional medical bill but rarely one that would break a family.
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So the government nearly completely covers medical?
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Yes, they cover most things.
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see that would be nice wouldnt it? i want to know where raptor is getting al of his info. cuz it doesnt make sense...
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Please excuse his lack of knowlege. But Cuba has national health care. As does Britain.
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i knew that but the part where if u r having an emergency they wont treat..and to argue with a canadian over it?!?!? i dont get it...oh well
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I'll be sure to. NOT. Why would I want to live in a country without all the BENEFICIAL FREEDOMS we have here in the U. S. OF A..
What are these "beneficial freedoms" of yours, Raptor. In your superior country. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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see that would be nice wouldnt it? i want to know where raptor is getting al of his info. cuz it doesnt make sense...
Fox News Channel. and i am not mistaken. Canada has a similar health care to Cuba. I dunno about England.
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just because the gov't takes care of most of the healthcare in btoh countries is the only similarity. the benefits we get to answer your question meyer, are....well we can basically do anything we want economically as long as you have the money to spend.
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If you get national health care the government decides who to treat. It is very simple if you actually consider it for a moment.
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No, they don't. They decide who to treat by looking at who comes through the door. It is not, however, socialized medicine. We still need to buy our own medicine. This system does not mean less people get treated, it means more do, as there is rarely a question of 'can I afford it'.
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If you get national health care the government decides who to treat. It is very simple if you actually consider it for a moment.
Because private organizations deciding who to treat is really any different.
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What? If the government funds it then the government decides what do with it.
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No, they do not. They are not really involved in the process.
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It was sarcasm.
Let me be a bit more blunt so you'll understand:
You trust a private organization more than the government to "decide" whether or not you get treated?
(BTW with universal health care, there is no "deciding" since money is ruled irrelevant, everyone gets treated)
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That is not true. The if the government thinks its hopeless then they dont fund treatment.
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what they think is irrelevant. treatment is given to anyone who can be treated.
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The government is not involved in the process, this isn't like a damn insurance claim. You walk into the damn hospital, and they do the best they can to treat you.
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I doubt the have a government official sitting at the door saying, dont treat him, we dont want to
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Now your private health insurance? They WILL refuse service, the government on the other hand can't.
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What?
Ill have to slow down for the lesser minded.
Ok, If the government pays for it then the government can deem you a lost cause and not pay for the expensive treatment. That is what would happen in the USA. Read your bills.
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But Canadas not in the USA
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The point is this is not the United States. Canada is not the 51st state, regardless of what some seem to think. I doubt you can name the current Prime Minister without going to look them up, so why should I read all the american bills?
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You wouldn't, people here dont get that healthcare there is kinda irrevelent
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But Canadas not in the USA
And neither is Finland. Although
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What?
Ill have to slow down for the lesser minded.
Ok, If the government pays for it then the government can deem you a lost cause and not pay for the expensive treatment. That is what would happen in the USA. Read your bills.
That and the US currently doesn't have universal health care, so you're talking about a non-existent system.
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We have the best health care available.
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If you're rich.
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If you have health insurance.
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No, even then you could get rejected by your health insurance company because you don't have the right plan.
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Thats why you get the best plan possible.
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If you're rich.
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you dont have to be rich.
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To get the best plan you do.
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Notice the word POSSIBLE.
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The best plan would like a professional Motorcycilist plan or something like that and for that you do have to be rich.
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I thought he said that as if he were correcting me an Arb, but he was just reassuring our point? Ok, sorry for the repetition.
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Notice the word POSSIBLE.
Where.
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You are the one who said it!
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They should also increase security on the border not just because of the illegals, but roght now thats probably are greatest weakness, anyone could just come sneak a bomb in or somethin
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I doubt anyone would try to bring a bomb in USA from Mexico.
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they wouldnt fire a missle from Mexico, nut the terrorists would come across the border. Wath the movie Red Dawn.
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but doesn't it tell about soviet invasion of USA?
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Red dawns about the Soviet supported invasion of the US by Cuba and Honduras and stuff, but the Soviets do send troops i think
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The Soviets and Cubans went to Mexico and crossed the border.
(http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/reddawn.jpg)
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Not just that, the soviets took 60 divisions across the bering strait through alaska and canada and came through up north
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It should be stopped, Maybe its just me but i want a Job when i need it, Not when they decide to go back to the holes everyone came from, It doesnt matter where you're from, Get a damn green card...
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It should be stopped, Maybe its just me but i want a Job when i need it, Not when they decide to go back to the holes everyone came from, It doesnt matter where you're from, Get a damn green card...
kalo arent you on the aosw mod fourm i think i saw you there i may be mistaken
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He's the AoSW co-leader.
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He's the AoSW co-leader.
ah thank you boss ard what evwr can a call you boss your the mod leader and i usally call the mod leaders boss
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You will address me as GOD Maggot! :O Kidding aside, No i dont really like that Title at all.
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I dont think he was talking about you
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The easiest way to stop illegal immigration is to make all immigration legal :P
I think that it should be easier for people to immigrate legally, and there should be more support for those who immigrate legally.
There needs to be more support in the migrants' home countries working to improve the situation there, in order to reduce the number of people who are forced to migrate.
On the issue of healthcare, i think that universal health care, free at the point of use is far better than a system where treatment is only provided once health insurance or means of payment is shown.
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i dont know a bout you but i dont wann go to get a job at my local walmart and they already have mexicans workin the good paying jobs Lacucaraca taking my job is rather frustrating im about to go join the minute men
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Well no wonder the mexicans take your jobs, they use english as well as you
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The easiest way to stop illegal immigration is to make all immigration legal :P
I think that it should be easier for people to immigrate legally, and there should be more support for those who immigrate legally.
There needs to be more support in the migrants' home countries working to improve the situation there, in order to reduce the number of people who are forced to migrate.
On the issue of healthcare, i think that universal health care, free at the point of use is far better than a system where treatment is only provided once health insurance or means of payment is shown.
If they would we would have no way of knowing who they were and the taxes would skyrocket. (http://www.talkingproud.us/ImagesMilitary/Pedro/ICBM.jpg)
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Well no wonder the mexicans take your jobs, they use english as well as you
i speak the languge fine i have a writing disorder
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Dislexia?
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hell i dont rember what its called i ussally in gnore it thank god for spell checker
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Back on topic.
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I say we dig a 20 foot deep ditch separating every country with a 30 foot high wall on either side. Problem solved.
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I think it would ruin the landscape and that would piss of hippies and enviromental wackos. And then there would be endless protests
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I say we dig a 20 foot deep ditch separating every country with a 30 foot high wall on either side. Problem solved.
I agree, right on sister!
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I agree with you too.
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Thats a stupid idea... What a waste of money and trees.
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Actually that probably would cost way more money than its worth
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It's an idea though, even though it would ruin world relations and lead to a major period of isolationism.
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I say we dig a 20 foot deep ditch separating every country with a 30 foot high wall on either side. Problem solved.
Skip the ditch and we have a bill that was passed but never followed in the USA. Some one has to wake up the Congress.
I think it would ruin the landscape and that would piss of hippies and enviromental wackos.
Give the treehuggers something and they will go to town with it.
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I say build a dithch. Then put a 15 ft. metal wall behind it. Then put a ditch behind that.
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well that would give people some work to do.
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How bout we make all the iilegals build it for us as punishment.
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you think they would make it? well first have them build that think you said and them kill them all.
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but make the think that they would be paid.
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yes. Say them that they have to go to shover before being paid and then you gas them.
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That reminds me of something, something bad.
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does it remind you something that includes figures 6 million?
If yes then it must be: those 6 million lies.
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why, it happened.
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what happened?
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the holocaust. you said 6 million lies.
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holocaust never happened. that is a big communist lie!
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actually if it is a lie, which it isn't, it would be a big world lie.
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well then it's but it is a lie.
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It would have to have been a conspirecy of massive proportions with at least 1 million people involved and somehow have 12 million people dissappear, overall impossible to pull off.
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Yeah, i think the disappearance of 12 million people and the accounts of thousands of soldiers and victims kinda proves it did exist
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Well, this has gotten rather off topic. I say if we want to still discuss the holocaust, someone should make a separate topic.
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holocaust never happened. that is a big communist lie!
What the heck are you talking about. My great great grandmother was thirteen when both her parents were killed by Stalin and the Soviets. Millions of people were tortured and executed because they were Jewish, and because the Jewish were such successful bankers and buisinessmen. The Russians and Germans were Jealous and hated the Jews, which resulted in Isreal 1948. Im not Jewish, but my mon used to be and her side of the family is and i will not sit by as you state the anhialation of millions of people never happened.
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The Russians weren't part of it.
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Ask my grandma. the russians did kill Jews. :P
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I don't care about much that grandparents say. One of mine swears she saw Santa Claus.
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Ask my grandma. the russians did kill Jews. :P
It's true that commies killed jews also but their killing of jews isn't part of the so called "Holocaust". Most of the World doesn't even know that Stalin killed propably more jews than Hitler and nazis were said that they killed.
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Yeah, Stalin was bad, but the allies didnt really care because he was an allie against hitler
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GOd no one gives stalin credit if not gor stalin the allies would not have won the war
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And then why doesn't nobody ever talk about what allies did during the war? it's always that only germans and japans did bad things.
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well becaus for one if there where atocity commited by the allies then the ameriacs probap-ly kille whoever saw them
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saw. There are many bad things done by allies that are very well known. Does the name Dresden say anything to anyone?
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Dresden was a military target, it was unfortunate that so many civillians had to die.
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Who cares? How can you say the Allies were evil? Its just ignorant! They did what they had to. Hitler killed millions in gas chambers. He was evil! He had to be stopped. Such a shame that people are making nations and organizations look like the evil ones, that have saved them from annihilation in yhe past. People hate them for trying to save them. They act like confused children!
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Good point, it seems that the world is full of very short memories.
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yup
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The world is not divided into good and evil people. They were hardly going to turn away a powerful ally.
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Sorry, I dont understand. :-[
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That was directed to a few posts that are higher up in here.
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Who cares? How can you say the Allies were evil? Its just ignorant! They did what they had to. Hitler killed millions in gas chambers. He was evil! He had to be stopped. Such a shame that people are making nations and organizations look like the evil ones, that have saved them from annihilation in the past. People hate them for trying to save them. They act like confused children!
My god hes brilliant
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Thank you M-t-l.
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And the reason why noone looks as much at what the allies did because they won, its much easier to pick on the loser
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Do the ends always justify the means?
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Of course not. When you use logic and you think about things with your brain than you will.
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I'm not sure I caught your point...
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Dresden was a military target, it was unfortunate that so many civillians had to die.
The only reason to bomb Dresden was it's communication contacts. But all of those could have been destroyed without bombing the city.
And Scarecrow63 makes good point. History is always winner's history. You can't just accept is as the absolute truth.
And Pellaeon if you had to stop Hitler, then why did you kill more civilians with your bombings than soldiers? what had the civilians done to you? Hell Luftwaffe bombed britan airbsases and military installations.
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Than why did they evacuate there children? London was decimated. Hitler was a tyrant (no offense to Tyrant). He tortured and killed millions of people.
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Yes, Hitler killed his own civillians bombed bombed british civillians.
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actually it was british who beginned bombing civilians in WWII. and after that germans retaliated and then they bombed each other in turns, germans during the day, british in nights.
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The British dont hate Jews.
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Raptor, neither did Geramns, only Nazis did, and both sides bombed the civilian population, you cant really say one side was worse for it than the other
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All WW2 stuff should go to the WW2 thread. Let's get back to illegal immigration.
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o.k., lets deport all ilegals and target the infadels.
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I like your idea. And some politicians are talking about giving them citizenship and minimum wage, if that happens companies will just send more trucks over the border to pick new ones up. The problems are the big corporations using their labor.
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o.k., lets deport all ilegals and target the infadels.
Sounds like you think like the Yuuzhan Vong. didn't they also drive people away and killed all infidels they could? I like it.
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Huahhahahahahhaah me too