Thrawn's Revenge

Off Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Raptor on July 20, 2007, 09:51:15 AM

Title: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 20, 2007, 09:51:15 AM
"Well"
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Slornie on July 20, 2007, 09:54:30 AM
What exactly are we supposed to be voting on here.  Whether we support it, whether we want to illegally immigrate, whether we know an illegal immigrant, whether we are a against it, what ?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 20, 2007, 12:30:56 PM
I also would like to know what are we supposed to vote in here. Personally I'm against all sort of immigration, legal and illegal.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 20, 2007, 02:31:31 PM
Fixed.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 20, 2007, 03:30:24 PM
I think it should be easier to get it but much more severe consequences for illlegally crossing the border
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Noret on July 20, 2007, 04:50:32 PM
me agrees, me thinks we need a ten foot wall
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 20, 2007, 05:56:54 PM
a literal wall too, not a chain link fence, i climb those easily
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Dr. Knickers on July 20, 2007, 06:33:45 PM
Or how about a border patrol/National Guard that shoots on sight?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 20, 2007, 08:27:43 PM
maybe thats a little harsh
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 20, 2007, 08:30:27 PM
Nah. It just make shift changes a bit more interesting.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 21, 2007, 03:21:57 AM
If they could shoot those illelgal immigrants I would join them. I hate those bastards!
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 21, 2007, 11:39:09 AM
i thought u lived in europe?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Noret on July 21, 2007, 02:11:59 PM
so you think the usa is the only country with immgration problems?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 21, 2007, 02:48:00 PM
well, no, i just didnt realize finland had them
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 22, 2007, 03:14:55 AM
we don't actually. But I would like to get rid of all immigrants in Finland, legal and illegal. They come here to live tax free and take our jobs. I say we should kick them all out of our country.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 22, 2007, 01:19:25 PM
tax free?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 22, 2007, 01:24:12 PM
yep. immigrants come here and live tax free for couple years.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 22, 2007, 02:32:17 PM
dang, no taxes, i might come to finland
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 23, 2007, 02:36:12 AM
be prepared to be beaten to death by skinheads.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 23, 2007, 03:23:36 PM
then maybe i wont come to Finland
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 23, 2007, 07:55:39 PM
I voted it must be stopped. There should be an option where the people that hired them get in trouble with the law.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 23, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
Most of the people that are hired though have legal work visas, they just never go back to Mexico or whereever
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 23, 2007, 10:18:27 PM
Illegal immigration is wrong. Ever had or heard of someone with a house not done properly, probably because the company who made your house hired the illegal aliens for cheap labor. I also think all U.S. citizens should learn english. There should be a 15-20 ft. wall across the borders.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 24, 2007, 01:45:43 AM
i am against illegal immigration but it isnt an easy prob. to fix. i live in California in a rural area and there are tons of illegals working in my area. the reason is, is because californians are too lazy to go work in the fields themselves so they hire cheap labor. where can we find that much labor? solve that problem then we solve the immigrant problem
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 24, 2007, 02:39:18 AM
I also think all U.S. citizens should learn english.

That's quite easy to get citizenship. I speak english. Where can I leave my application?

And Scarecrow63 if you immigrant to Finland you also get money from government to support you.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 24, 2007, 02:42:14 AM
I voted it must be stopped. There should be an option where the people that hired them get in trouble with the law.

It's much to complex a problem to put specific things like that in the poll.

I voted to make it easier to immigrate.

That means more taxpayers, more people actually contributing to America. Illegal immigrants only immigrate illegally because it can be a difficult and lengthy process to become a citizen. Not because they want to "poison" America with their culture or take out jobs.

Making the path to citizenship will also make it easier to monitor who is coming in and out of the country, less people will be insistent on sneaking in.

The most depressing part of this, is that it is the business world which does not want to see this issue resolved, they enjoy the cheap, legally semi-non-existent employees.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 24, 2007, 10:36:11 AM
Although, it should be easier to become a citizen you cannot excuse the illegals for it. If they want to live here then they should follow the laws that we make. Being an illegal is being a criminal. Junot's town is full of criminals and so is mine. If they are already criminals then what is to prevent them from doing other illegal things. Deporting them will not help they can just come back!
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 24, 2007, 10:40:03 AM
I disagree. All they have to do is go to Mexico City and get a passport. And we should deport them. But i am not a racist, i applaud all those who come legally.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 24, 2007, 11:17:19 AM
I hate all immigrants, legal and illegal. Christians, jews, muslims, black, yellow, white, everybody. I hate them all equally.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 24, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
The thing is, even if immigrants know the countries main language (I wonder if you learned Cherokee at any point in your life...) , they would rather use their own in most cases, unless they're talking to somebody who can't understand them. Illegal immigrants are criminals, yes, but they are criminals that are looking for a better life. They are only as likely to do another crime if it threatens their new-found "freedom" in most cases, just like anybody else... However there are many more things that can threaten their freedom.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 24, 2007, 12:35:05 PM
immigrants should stay in the countries they are born. It isn't our fault their life ins't perfect. It isn't our fault they fight against each other in Africa and battle in Iraq and then there is Israel that fighs against every muslim nation it can.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 24, 2007, 01:31:20 PM
But America was started by immigrants wanting a better life, i think it would be extremely hypocritical if we just slammed the door down

And its  not easy to get citizenship, you have to have like $30,000 to get legally live in the US, and the reason most immigrants are here is because they dont have that in the first place
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 24, 2007, 02:04:45 PM
But America was started by immigrants wanting a better life, i think it would be extremely hypocritical if we just slammed the door down

We didn't mess their lives. you play with the cards you are given.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 24, 2007, 02:14:56 PM
And right now America is their ace in the hole
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Dr. Knickers on July 24, 2007, 07:19:31 PM
immigrants should stay in the countries they are born. It isn't our fault their life ins't perfect. It isn't our fault they fight against each other in Africa and battle in Iraq and then there is Israel that fighs against every muslim nation it can.

In most cases, Israel was attacked first by those countries, or had a serious threat against Israel.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 24, 2007, 08:42:08 PM
This is perfectly on topic, we are discussing immigration and its subsequent consequences.

But to address the Israel issue, you would, I'm sure, resist a country if say France decided to put all of its Algerians in one of the most culturally significant places in your country and made it its own sovereign nation.

Don't forget the West created Israel after WWII cause there was no where else to put the Jews, except on muslim land, which at the time was all European Colonies.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 25, 2007, 01:14:47 AM
arbiter in response to your language comment you made earlier:

i do not remember where i read it but i read an article, about mexican immigrants to california, and in most cases they are finding that whether they are illegal or not spanish is disappearing by the third generation. it comes out of a desire to fit into their new country.

personally i am all for immigration, as long as it is done legally. for example i would love to go live in Scotland.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 25, 2007, 08:54:36 AM
Well if you think California is in England.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 25, 2007, 11:10:34 AM
health care in USA sucks.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 25, 2007, 11:20:22 AM
Only if you cant afford it  :angel:
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 25, 2007, 11:29:45 AM
Well luckily I live in a country were there is good health care for free.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 25, 2007, 11:30:58 AM
That sounds like an immigration paradise, no taxes, free healthcare
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 25, 2007, 12:19:46 PM
Don't you dare come to here.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2007, 02:55:30 PM
I'll be sure to. NOT. Why would I want to live in a country without all the BENEFICIAL FREEDOMS we have here in the U. S. OF A..
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 25, 2007, 03:10:04 PM
Meyer, im sure Finland will address their immigration problem later.
raptor must u always provoke meyer?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2007, 03:17:35 PM
I was just stating the supiriority of the U.S.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 25, 2007, 03:19:00 PM
just becuase we are the super power doesnt mean we are superior in all ways. i would perfer to have all my healthcare taken care of by the state like in britain.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2007, 03:31:05 PM
Like the Cuban Health Care. :P
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 25, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
no not like cuba.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 25, 2007, 03:40:16 PM
If everyone had state bestowed health care taxes would triple and the middle and lower classes would suffer. not to mention all the jails are filled up cause noone can pay there taxes. If you want health care go get it dont make everyone have it. Did I also mention that the state decides who can get medication? A lot of people will die that could have survived.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 25, 2007, 03:41:13 PM
Have you ever heard of a place called Canada, GAP?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 25, 2007, 04:45:57 PM
yes, sorry i meant canada but typed britain.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2007, 09:31:34 PM
Canadas health care is almost as bad as Cubas.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 25, 2007, 09:32:27 PM
How do you figure?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2007, 10:21:35 PM
if you have ha a history of bad health and you go to the hospital with a heart attack they wont treat you cause of your medical history.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 25, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
Thats not true. My grandfather has gone to the hospital for several heart operations, and a bunch of other stuff in the past.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2007, 10:27:17 PM
You do not understand. With the CANADIAN health care if you have a bad med. history and yo go to the hospital for an EMERGENCY.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 25, 2007, 10:28:08 PM
I am Canadian. Many members of my family have gone to the hospital for an Emergency.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 25, 2007, 10:29:05 PM
He got u there Raptor
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
With bad med record? :o
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 25, 2007, 10:31:50 PM
As I said, one of my grandparents has a history of heart problems. And another one had about 4 strokes in one year before, yet they both got into a hospital every time. Not every procedure is covered, there is the occaisional medical bill but rarely one that would break a family.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 25, 2007, 11:20:05 PM
So the government nearly completely covers medical?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 25, 2007, 11:20:58 PM
Yes, they cover most things.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 25, 2007, 11:57:50 PM
see that would be nice wouldnt it? i want to know where raptor is getting al of his info. cuz it doesnt make sense...
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 26, 2007, 12:52:39 AM
Please excuse his lack of knowlege. But Cuba has national health care. As does Britain.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 26, 2007, 02:20:40 AM
i knew that but the part where if u r having an emergency they wont treat..and to argue with a canadian over it?!?!? i dont get it...oh well
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 26, 2007, 02:30:02 AM
I'll be sure to. NOT. Why would I want to live in a country without all the BENEFICIAL FREEDOMS we have here in the U. S. OF A..

What are these "beneficial freedoms" of yours, Raptor. In your superior country.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 26, 2007, 09:08:17 AM
see that would be nice wouldnt it? i want to know where raptor is getting al of his info. cuz it doesnt make sense...

Fox News Channel. and i am not mistaken. Canada has a similar health care to Cuba. I dunno about England.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: junot on July 26, 2007, 10:28:25 AM
just because the gov't takes care of most of the healthcare in btoh countries is the only similarity. the benefits we get to answer your question meyer, are....well we can basically do anything we want economically as long as you have the money to spend.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 26, 2007, 10:36:29 AM
If you get national health care the government decides who to treat. It is very simple if you actually consider it for a moment.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 26, 2007, 11:59:01 AM
No, they don't. They decide who to treat by looking at who comes through the door. It is not, however, socialized medicine. We still need to buy our own medicine. This system does not mean less people get treated, it means more do, as there is rarely a question of 'can I afford it'.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 12:10:28 PM
If you get national health care the government decides who to treat. It is very simple if you actually consider it for a moment.

Because private organizations deciding who to treat is really any different.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 26, 2007, 01:20:51 PM
What? If the government funds it then the government decides what do with it.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 26, 2007, 01:22:24 PM
No, they do not. They are not really involved in the process.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 01:23:18 PM
It was sarcasm.

Let me be a bit more blunt so you'll understand:

You trust a private organization more than the government to "decide" whether or not you get treated?

(BTW with universal health care, there is no "deciding" since money is ruled irrelevant, everyone gets treated)
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 26, 2007, 01:29:24 PM
That is not true. The if the government thinks its hopeless then they dont fund treatment.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 26, 2007, 01:34:06 PM
what they think is irrelevant. treatment is given to anyone who can be treated.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 26, 2007, 01:35:43 PM
The government is not involved in the process, this isn't like a damn insurance claim. You walk into the damn hospital, and they do the best they can to treat you.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 26, 2007, 01:36:34 PM
I doubt the have a government official sitting at the door saying, dont treat him, we dont want to
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 01:37:59 PM
Now your private health insurance? They WILL refuse service, the government on the other hand can't.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 26, 2007, 01:39:11 PM
What?

Ill have to slow down for the lesser minded.

Ok, If the government pays for it then the government can deem you a lost cause and not pay for the expensive treatment. That is what would happen in the USA. Read your bills.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 26, 2007, 01:40:06 PM
But Canadas not in the USA
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 26, 2007, 01:42:27 PM
The point is this is not the United States. Canada is not the 51st state, regardless of what some seem to think. I doubt you can name the current Prime Minister without going to look them up, so why should I read all the american bills?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 26, 2007, 01:43:38 PM
You wouldn't, people here dont get that healthcare there is kinda irrevelent
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 26, 2007, 01:44:03 PM
But Canadas not in the USA

And neither is Finland. Although
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
What?

Ill have to slow down for the lesser minded.

Ok, If the government pays for it then the government can deem you a lost cause and not pay for the expensive treatment. That is what would happen in the USA. Read your bills.

That and the US currently doesn't have universal health care, so you're talking about a non-existent system.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 26, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
We have the best health care available.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 26, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
If you're rich.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 26, 2007, 09:49:09 PM
If you have health insurance.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 09:52:45 PM
No, even then you could get rejected by your health insurance company because you don't have the right plan.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 26, 2007, 09:54:42 PM
Thats why you get the best plan possible.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 09:55:16 PM
If you're rich.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 26, 2007, 09:59:17 PM
you dont have to be rich.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 10:01:19 PM
To get the best plan you do.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 26, 2007, 10:02:04 PM
Notice the word POSSIBLE.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 26, 2007, 10:06:58 PM
The best plan would like a professional Motorcycilist plan or something like that and for that you do have to be rich.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on July 26, 2007, 10:07:51 PM
I thought he said that as if he were correcting me an Arb, but he was just reassuring our point? Ok, sorry for the repetition.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 26, 2007, 11:05:24 PM
Notice the word POSSIBLE.

Where.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on July 26, 2007, 11:09:31 PM
You are the one who said it!
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 26, 2007, 11:41:42 PM
They should also increase security on the border not just because of the illegals, but roght now thats probably are greatest weakness, anyone could just come sneak a bomb in or somethin
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 27, 2007, 04:56:18 AM
I doubt anyone would try to bring a bomb in USA from Mexico.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 27, 2007, 09:01:40 AM
they wouldnt fire a missle from Mexico, nut the terrorists would come across the border. Wath the movie Red Dawn.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on July 27, 2007, 12:39:44 PM
but doesn't it tell about soviet invasion of USA?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 27, 2007, 03:28:23 PM
Red dawns about the Soviet supported invasion of the US by Cuba and Honduras and stuff, but the Soviets do send troops i think
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on July 27, 2007, 07:51:20 PM
The Soviets and Cubans went to Mexico and crossed the border.

(http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/reddawn.jpg)
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 27, 2007, 11:53:44 PM
Not just that, the soviets took 60 divisions across the bering strait through alaska and canada and came through up north
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Kalo on July 28, 2007, 03:02:50 AM
It should be stopped, Maybe its just me but i want a Job when i need it, Not when they decide to go back to the holes everyone came from, It doesnt matter where you're from, Get a damn green card...
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on July 28, 2007, 03:56:46 AM
It should be stopped, Maybe its just me but i want a Job when i need it, Not when they decide to go back to the holes everyone came from, It doesnt matter where you're from, Get a damn green card...
kalo arent you on the aosw mod fourm i think i saw you there i may be mistaken
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on July 28, 2007, 11:14:30 AM
He's the AoSW co-leader.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on July 28, 2007, 05:23:42 PM
He's the AoSW co-leader.
ah thank you boss ard what evwr can a call you boss your the mod leader and i usally call the mod leaders boss
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Kalo on July 29, 2007, 12:38:33 AM
You will address me as GOD Maggot! :O Kidding aside, No i dont really like that Title at all.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 29, 2007, 01:47:53 PM
I dont think he was talking about you
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Slornie on July 30, 2007, 05:43:03 AM
The easiest way to stop illegal immigration is to make all immigration legal :P

I think that it should be easier for people to immigrate legally, and there should be more support for those who immigrate legally.

There needs to be more support in the migrants' home countries working to improve the situation there, in order to reduce the number of people who are forced to migrate.

On the issue of healthcare, i think that universal health care, free at the point of use is far better than a system where treatment is only provided once health insurance or means of payment is shown.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on July 30, 2007, 07:26:01 AM
i dont know a bout you but i dont wann go to get a job at my local walmart and they already have mexicans workin the good paying jobs Lacucaraca taking my job is rather frustrating im about to go join the minute men
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on July 30, 2007, 04:42:50 PM
Well no wonder the mexicans take your jobs, they use english as well as you
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 02, 2007, 08:03:59 PM
The easiest way to stop illegal immigration is to make all immigration legal :P

I think that it should be easier for people to immigrate legally, and there should be more support for those who immigrate legally.

There needs to be more support in the migrants' home countries working to improve the situation there, in order to reduce the number of people who are forced to migrate.

On the issue of healthcare, i think that universal health care, free at the point of use is far better than a system where treatment is only provided once health insurance or means of payment is shown.

If they would we would have no way of knowing who they were and the taxes would skyrocket. (http://www.talkingproud.us/ImagesMilitary/Pedro/ICBM.jpg)
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on August 03, 2007, 03:33:26 AM
Well no wonder the mexicans take your jobs, they use english as well as you
i speak the languge fine i have a writing disorder
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 03, 2007, 09:45:07 PM
Dislexia?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on August 04, 2007, 05:24:38 AM
hell i dont rember what its called i ussally in gnore it thank god for spell checker
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 06, 2007, 09:44:02 AM
Back on topic.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 07, 2007, 12:13:40 AM
I say we dig a 20 foot deep ditch separating every country with a 30 foot high wall on either side.  Problem solved.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 07, 2007, 02:22:30 AM
I think it would ruin the landscape and that would piss of hippies and  enviromental wackos. And then there would be endless protests
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 07, 2007, 10:42:37 AM
I say we dig a 20 foot deep ditch separating every country with a 30 foot high wall on either side.  Problem solved.


I agree, right on sister!
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 07, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
I agree with you too.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on August 07, 2007, 04:01:36 PM
Thats a stupid idea... What a waste of money and trees.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 07, 2007, 04:05:55 PM
Actually that probably would cost way more money than its worth
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 07, 2007, 07:05:49 PM
It's an idea though, even though it would ruin world relations and lead to a major period of isolationism.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 08, 2007, 10:04:11 AM
I say we dig a 20 foot deep ditch separating every country with a 30 foot high wall on either side.  Problem solved.
Skip the ditch and we have a bill that was passed but never followed in the USA. Some one has to wake up the Congress.


I think it would ruin the landscape and that would piss of hippies and  enviromental wackos.
Give the treehuggers something and they will go to town with it.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 08, 2007, 10:34:26 AM
I say build a dithch. Then put a 15 ft. metal wall behind it. Then put a ditch behind that.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 08, 2007, 10:36:47 AM
well that would give people some work to do.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 08, 2007, 10:37:49 AM
How bout we make all the iilegals build it for us as punishment.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 08, 2007, 10:39:03 AM
you think they would make it? well first have them build that think you said and them kill them all.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 08, 2007, 12:19:38 PM
but make the think that they would be paid.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 08, 2007, 12:27:57 PM
yes. Say them that they have to go to shover before being paid and then you gas them.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 08, 2007, 12:38:13 PM
That reminds me of something, something bad.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 08, 2007, 12:40:45 PM
does it remind you something that includes figures 6 million?

If yes then it must be: those 6 million lies.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 08, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
why, it happened.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 08, 2007, 12:46:07 PM
what happened?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 08, 2007, 12:46:39 PM
the holocaust. you said 6 million lies.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 08, 2007, 12:49:24 PM
holocaust never happened. that is a big communist lie!
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 08, 2007, 12:50:37 PM
actually if it is a lie, which it isn't, it would be a big world lie.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 08, 2007, 01:00:02 PM
well then it's but it is a lie.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 08, 2007, 01:18:42 PM
It would have to have been a conspirecy of massive proportions with at least 1 million people involved and somehow have 12 million people dissappear, overall impossible to pull off.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 08, 2007, 02:24:45 PM
Yeah, i think the disappearance of 12 million people and the accounts of thousands of soldiers and victims kinda proves it did exist
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 08, 2007, 02:27:51 PM
Well, this has gotten rather off topic.  I say if we want to still discuss the holocaust, someone should make a separate topic.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 08, 2007, 11:29:20 PM
holocaust never happened. that is a big communist lie!

What the heck are you talking about. My great great grandmother was thirteen when both her parents were killed by Stalin and the Soviets. Millions of people were tortured and executed because they were Jewish, and because the Jewish were such successful bankers and buisinessmen. The Russians and Germans were Jealous and hated the Jews, which resulted in Isreal 1948. Im not Jewish, but my mon used to be and her side of the family is and i will not sit by as you state the anhialation of millions of people never happened.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on August 08, 2007, 11:32:55 PM
The Russians weren't part of it.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 08, 2007, 11:34:14 PM
Ask my grandma. the russians did kill Jews. :P
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on August 08, 2007, 11:41:10 PM
I don't care about much that grandparents say. One of mine swears she saw Santa Claus.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 09, 2007, 02:03:32 AM
Ask my grandma. the russians did kill Jews. :P

It's true that commies killed jews also but their killing of jews isn't part of the so called "Holocaust". Most of the World doesn't even know that Stalin killed propably more jews than Hitler and nazis were said that they killed.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 09, 2007, 02:05:04 AM
Yeah, Stalin was bad, but the allies didnt really care because he was an allie against hitler
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on August 09, 2007, 03:47:11 AM
GOd no one gives stalin credit if not gor stalin the allies would not have won the war
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 09, 2007, 04:53:07 AM
And then why doesn't nobody ever talk about what allies did during the war? it's always that only germans and japans did bad things.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on August 09, 2007, 07:58:54 AM
well becaus for one if there where atocity commited by the allies then the ameriacs probap-ly kille whoever saw them
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 09, 2007, 08:05:54 AM
saw. There are many bad things done by allies that are very well known. Does the name Dresden say anything to anyone?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 09, 2007, 11:26:29 AM
Dresden was a military target, it was unfortunate that so many civillians had to die.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 09, 2007, 11:34:30 AM
Who cares? How can you say the Allies were evil? Its just ignorant! They did what they had to. Hitler killed millions in gas chambers. He was evil! He had to be stopped. Such a shame that people are making nations and organizations look like the evil ones, that have saved them from annihilation in yhe past. People hate them for trying to save them. They act like confused children!
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 09, 2007, 11:37:15 AM
Good point, it seems that the world is full of very short memories.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Kratas on August 09, 2007, 11:46:23 AM
yup
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on August 09, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
The world is not divided into good and evil people. They were hardly going to turn away a powerful ally.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 09, 2007, 12:14:53 PM
Sorry, I dont understand. :-[
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Corey on August 09, 2007, 12:18:02 PM
That was directed to a few posts that are higher up in here.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on August 09, 2007, 03:02:27 PM
Who cares? How can you say the Allies were evil? Its just ignorant! They did what they had to. Hitler killed millions in gas chambers. He was evil! He had to be stopped. Such a shame that people are making nations and organizations look like the evil ones, that have saved them from annihilation in the past. People hate them for trying to save them. They act like confused children!
My god hes brilliant
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 09, 2007, 03:30:47 PM
Thank you M-t-l.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 09, 2007, 06:05:17 PM
And the reason why noone looks as much at what the allies did because they won, its much easier to pick on the loser
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on August 09, 2007, 08:52:13 PM
Do the ends always justify the means?
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 09, 2007, 09:04:04 PM
Of course not. When you use logic and you think about things with your brain than you will.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Nezill on August 09, 2007, 09:05:32 PM
I'm not sure I caught your point...
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 10, 2007, 01:57:49 AM
Dresden was a military target, it was unfortunate that so many civillians had to die.

The only reason to bomb Dresden was it's communication contacts. But all of those could have been destroyed without bombing the city.

And Scarecrow63 makes good point. History is always winner's history. You can't just accept is as the absolute truth.

And Pellaeon if you had to stop Hitler, then why did you kill more civilians with your bombings than soldiers? what had the civilians done to you? Hell Luftwaffe bombed britan airbsases and military installations.

Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 10, 2007, 10:18:41 AM
Than why did they evacuate there children? London was decimated. Hitler was a tyrant (no offense to Tyrant). He tortured and killed millions of people.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 10, 2007, 10:45:13 AM
Yes, Hitler killed his own civillians bombed bombed british civillians.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 10, 2007, 11:14:01 AM
actually it was british who beginned bombing civilians in WWII. and after that germans retaliated and then they bombed each other in turns, germans during the day, british in nights.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 10, 2007, 03:27:42 PM
The British dont hate Jews.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 10, 2007, 09:13:02 PM
Raptor, neither did Geramns, only Nazis did, and both sides bombed the civilian population, you cant really say one side was worse for it than the other
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 10, 2007, 10:42:01 PM
All WW2 stuff should go to the WW2 thread.  Let's get back to illegal immigration.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Raptor on August 10, 2007, 10:55:27 PM
o.k., lets deport all ilegals and target the infadels.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: sarcronis on August 10, 2007, 11:09:24 PM
I like your idea.  And some politicians are talking about giving them citizenship and minimum wage, if that happens companies will just send more trucks over the border to pick new ones up.  The problems are the big corporations using their labor.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Meyer on August 11, 2007, 02:54:12 AM
o.k., lets deport all ilegals and target the infadels.

Sounds like you think like the Yuuzhan Vong. didn't they also drive people away and killed all infidels they could? I like it.
Title: Re: Illegal Immagration
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on August 11, 2007, 02:56:47 AM
Huahhahahahahhaah me too