Posted by: commander praji
« on: January 15, 2016, 02:58:36 PM »That was literally how I explained him to a friend of mine who wasn't familiar with the EU. One is more likable than the other it seems.
It's Harrsk.
Now we need a mr. Freeze
Now we need a mr. Freeze
Posted by: Trial_Born
« on: January 14, 2016, 10:12:59 PM »That was literally how I explained him to a friend of mine who wasn't familiar with the EU. One is more likable than the other it seems.
It's Harrsk.
It's Harrsk.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: January 14, 2016, 09:34:10 PM »Yeah, apparently none of us were fans of Harssk, Harrsk, however.
Harrsk and he's basically Two Face in SW
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: January 14, 2016, 04:51:25 PM »Yeah, apparently none of us were fans of Harssk, Harrsk, however.
Posted by: Corey
« on: January 14, 2016, 01:13:57 AM »If there's stuff people want to see for those factions, that thread would be the place to discuss it. As long as stuff is relevant to the topic, we have no rules against bumping old posts.
Posted by: Trial_Born
« on: January 14, 2016, 12:36:44 AM »Well that thread was definitely enlightening, wasn't aware Zero Command got knocked out of the competition by Eriadu Authority so overwhelmingly. My statement still stands but just replace my reference to Zero Command with the new heavy weight champion, Eriadu Authority.
Posted by: Corey
« on: January 14, 2016, 12:27:30 AM »Different thread for discussing that, with some of the stuff already in it
There's more information/discussion about them here:
http://thrawnsrevenge.com/forums/index.php?topic=5451.0
Posted by: Trial_Born
« on: January 14, 2016, 12:23:10 AM »I am also content with the addition of Zero Command & Greater Maldrood, since both factions were led by prominent Warlords and they had several planets in under their heel. Are they by any chance going to have unique units added to their standard Imperial roster or will that come later on?
Posted by: Pentastar Enforcer
« on: January 13, 2016, 11:27:35 PM »Ew Trioculous or however the hell you spell it. What an awful EU character. I never understood how the Empire Reborn had such significant Imperial Backing, I can get mercenaries but that much Imperial gear? I dunno..
I'm personally happy with the factions being added into ICW, though I wish they had some more variation in unit types, but it still works fine for me! They've practically included every powerful group of Warlords in the story once the new update comes, the rest I'd assume are too small, and too identical to every other group to have considerate time put into them.
I'm personally happy with the factions being added into ICW, though I wish they had some more variation in unit types, but it still works fine for me! They've practically included every powerful group of Warlords in the story once the new update comes, the rest I'd assume are too small, and too identical to every other group to have considerate time put into them.
Posted by: Corey
« on: January 13, 2016, 10:14:51 PM »There are some basic questions to ask when thinking about adding any factions.
1. Did they actually control any significant territory, and could/did they play an actual role in the galaxy?
This is the big reason a faction like the Pentastar Alignment can exist, and something like the Reborn Empire or Moff Sarne should not. The Reborn Empire has basically ONE planet. Certainly only one known one. Either way, to put that into perspective, a faction like the Hapans which has pretty much 3 planets in their biggest representation and doesn't pose much of a threat canonically has 63 planets. The Hapans and the Duskhan League are the smallest and least powerful factions in the game, by far, and even they are bigger and control more territory than the weird little cults like the Empire Reborn and all of these random little independent moffs combined. Hell, the Corporate Sector Authority is bigger than them. There are some factions like Cuitric where were somewhat sizeable, but Ciutric was pretty much a vassal state of Isard's Empire.
The Pentastar Alignment may not have been overly active before Shadow Hand, but their "inactivity" was still way more than any of those groups could ever have accomplished. The Alignment had working relationships with the New Republic and other Imperial groups, and when they did decide to do something, they were relatively successful. They funneled a lot of forces to Thrawn's Coalition, and they reconquered a considerable portion of the galaxy when they joined Palpatine. They represented the largest and most stable Imperial group after Endor, and were never really beaten by the New Republic or anyone else; they just got subsumed into the Imperial Remnant when Daala and Pellaeon reorganized it, after already having survived both the defeat of Thrawn's Coalition and Palpatine's Dark Empire as a single mostly independent unit. The territory people recognize as the "Imperial Remnant," ie its territory as of the Vong War, was really just the core of the Pentastar Alignment. If you're going to start representing Imperial splinter factions, the Alignment is the obvious first choice, and Zsinj is right behind them.
Part of why Maldrood, Eriadu, Zsinj and the PA are being represented is because you have to address them in some way to have a coherent picture of the galaxy. For technical reasons, they used to be grouped as one entity- reasons which the defreezer made not entirely necessary, so now they're being split up. Not representing these factions leaves massive gaps in the galaxy. As I've mentioned, you can't have the territory which would become the Remnant without representing the PA in it earlier on. You can't have the entire Northeast portion of the galaxy without Zsinj. You can't have the territory first claimed by the NR after Endor and a sizeable chunk of the south-central area without Eriadu (which in itself was an important planet), and the majority of the territory between Bothawui/Corellia and Zsinj was controlled by Maldrood.
2. Do they actually have anything unique to use?
Most of these factions aren't just tiny, they're also just copy-pastes of the Remnant unit list with one or two heroes parked in their ISDs. Even the Reborn Empire just has the Doomgiver, which is in no way worth using a faction slot on a single-planet faction that will, invariably, get wiped out by the AI 3 seconds into a GC. There's enough canon units for the Empire that it could be split between the bigger factions, but if the size factor isn't there, and the unqiue content isn't there, there's really nothing these factions bring to the table other than a different name.
1. Did they actually control any significant territory, and could/did they play an actual role in the galaxy?
This is the big reason a faction like the Pentastar Alignment can exist, and something like the Reborn Empire or Moff Sarne should not. The Reborn Empire has basically ONE planet. Certainly only one known one. Either way, to put that into perspective, a faction like the Hapans which has pretty much 3 planets in their biggest representation and doesn't pose much of a threat canonically has 63 planets. The Hapans and the Duskhan League are the smallest and least powerful factions in the game, by far, and even they are bigger and control more territory than the weird little cults like the Empire Reborn and all of these random little independent moffs combined. Hell, the Corporate Sector Authority is bigger than them. There are some factions like Cuitric where were somewhat sizeable, but Ciutric was pretty much a vassal state of Isard's Empire.
The Pentastar Alignment may not have been overly active before Shadow Hand, but their "inactivity" was still way more than any of those groups could ever have accomplished. The Alignment had working relationships with the New Republic and other Imperial groups, and when they did decide to do something, they were relatively successful. They funneled a lot of forces to Thrawn's Coalition, and they reconquered a considerable portion of the galaxy when they joined Palpatine. They represented the largest and most stable Imperial group after Endor, and were never really beaten by the New Republic or anyone else; they just got subsumed into the Imperial Remnant when Daala and Pellaeon reorganized it, after already having survived both the defeat of Thrawn's Coalition and Palpatine's Dark Empire as a single mostly independent unit. The territory people recognize as the "Imperial Remnant," ie its territory as of the Vong War, was really just the core of the Pentastar Alignment. If you're going to start representing Imperial splinter factions, the Alignment is the obvious first choice, and Zsinj is right behind them.
Part of why Maldrood, Eriadu, Zsinj and the PA are being represented is because you have to address them in some way to have a coherent picture of the galaxy. For technical reasons, they used to be grouped as one entity- reasons which the defreezer made not entirely necessary, so now they're being split up. Not representing these factions leaves massive gaps in the galaxy. As I've mentioned, you can't have the territory which would become the Remnant without representing the PA in it earlier on. You can't have the entire Northeast portion of the galaxy without Zsinj. You can't have the territory first claimed by the NR after Endor and a sizeable chunk of the south-central area without Eriadu (which in itself was an important planet), and the majority of the territory between Bothawui/Corellia and Zsinj was controlled by Maldrood.
2. Do they actually have anything unique to use?
Most of these factions aren't just tiny, they're also just copy-pastes of the Remnant unit list with one or two heroes parked in their ISDs. Even the Reborn Empire just has the Doomgiver, which is in no way worth using a faction slot on a single-planet faction that will, invariably, get wiped out by the AI 3 seconds into a GC. There's enough canon units for the Empire that it could be split between the bigger factions, but if the size factor isn't there, and the unqiue content isn't there, there's really nothing these factions bring to the table other than a different name.
Posted by: commander praji
« on: January 13, 2016, 08:42:43 PM »The Disciples of Ragnos had a similar grand scheme to Hethrir, albeit instead of relying on a Demigod their visions of grandeur was placed on reviving the long-dead Dark Lord of the Sith known as Marka Ragnos. In a way you could describe the Disciples of Ragnos as the spiritual successor of the Empire Reborn as the cult was formed of survivors from Hethrir's faction as well as newly hired mercenaries and Imperial personnel. Like my previous statement, faction slots are low and cannot be used for factions that had no real relevancy in the ICW time frame. Jedi Academy took place in the time period of less than a year, which means the Disciples of Ragnos barely existed long enough to even make their name known in the galaxy.
True. It still would be fun to spawn insane sith fan boys
Uuuh there is so many. Why not moff sarness boys or the trioculus? (Think I misspelt that) and the hegemony, sarge seems more interesting to me than trueten. He also got space troopers :3
Posted by: Trial_Born
« on: January 13, 2016, 07:34:58 PM »The Disciples of Ragnos had a similar grand scheme to Hethrir, albeit instead of relying on a Demigod their visions of grandeur was placed on reviving the long-dead Dark Lord of the Sith known as Marka Ragnos. In a way you could describe the Disciples of Ragnos as the spiritual successor of the Empire Reborn as the cult was formed of survivors from Hethrir's faction as well as newly hired mercenaries and Imperial personnel. Like my previous statement, faction slots are low and cannot be used for factions that had no real relevancy in the ICW time frame. Jedi Academy took place in the time period of less than a year, which means the Disciples of Ragnos barely existed long enough to even make their name known in the galaxy.
Posted by: commander praji
« on: January 13, 2016, 07:06:57 PM »The Empire Reborn faction hasn't really accomplished much in the art of warfare due to how they spent the majority of their time on developing their army and increasing the number of their followers / allies in secret. Their only offensive measure to my knowledge was their invasion of the Jedi Praxeum on Yavin (Finale of JK2) and that ended in the majority of their military being crushed in one fell swoop as well as resulting in the death of two key figures, Desann (Trainer of the Reborns) and Galak Fyyar (Scientist that aided the development of the Shadowtroopers). After that debacle their leader, Hethrir, hasn't engaged the New Republic in any sort of military offensive and would eventually be devoured by the very Demigod that bestowed to him his enhanced force abilities before he could do any further possible military campaigns. Don't get me wrong, the Empire Reborn would be an interesting faction to have around in ICW but EaW has a limit on how many factions you can have in total. Pentastar Alignment is a better use of the slot than Empire Reborn since they occupied a good portion of the northern reaches of the Outer Rim and had been fairly relevant in the ICW time frame, until they are eventually annexed by Gilad Pellaeon around 12 ABY.
And from Jedi academy what remained of them became the cult of ragnos? Speaking of the, another cool group that would be fun. I kinda viewed them kinda cool :3 tho crazy
Posted by: Trial_Born
« on: January 13, 2016, 06:30:13 PM »The Empire Reborn faction hasn't really accomplished much in the art of warfare due to how they spent the majority of their time on developing their army and increasing the number of their followers / allies in secret. Their only offensive measure to my knowledge was their invasion of the Jedi Praxeum on Yavin (Finale of JK2) and that ended in the majority of their military being crushed in one fell swoop as well as resulting in the death of two key figures, Desann (Trainer of the Reborns) and Galak Fyyar (Scientist that aided the development of the Shadowtroopers). After that debacle their leader, Hethrir, hasn't engaged the New Republic in any sort of military offensive and would eventually be devoured by the very Demigod that bestowed to him his enhanced force abilities before he could do any further possible military campaigns. Don't get me wrong, the Empire Reborn would be an interesting faction to have around in ICW but EaW has a limit on how many factions you can have in total. Pentastar Alignment is a better use of the slot than Empire Reborn since they occupied a good portion of the northern reaches of the Outer Rim and had been fairly relevant in the ICW time frame, until they are eventually annexed by Gilad Pellaeon around 12 ABY.
Posted by: commander praji
« on: January 13, 2016, 01:26:06 PM »@ Corey, did you guys ever consider the empire reborn?
And what made you guys choose p-star over all other factions? From what I,m seeing they didn't do much til palpatine came back.
And what made you guys choose p-star over all other factions? From what I,m seeing they didn't do much til palpatine came back.