(SPLIT) from Revelation, FoC Canon?

[vadereclipse]

because it doesn't affect anything.
the zc gets a bit too involved. i mean, with zann being responsible for xizor's death, the IG-88 thing, and other stuff.

[Meyer]

zann is in no way responsible for xizor's death, and what ig-88 thing and what other stuff? And of course it affects. it would b stupid if it didn't really do or add anything. would you read a book in which nobody does anything that affects something? And it doesn't really affect very much to anything. say something it affects majorly.

[Isamu]

kotor as said before expands into a previously untouched era. zahn just affects pre recorded.

[vadereclipse]

zann is in no way responsible for xizor's death, and what ig-88 thing and what other stuff? And of course it affects. it would b stupid if it didn't really do or add anything. would you read a book in which nobody does anything that affects something? And it doesn't really affect very much to anything. say something it affects majorly.

zann framed xizor for stealing tibanna gas. vader used this as an excuse.
ig-88 thing- ig-88 is present post-endor, when all had been destroyed in oen form or another.

[Scarecrow63]

kotor as said before expands into a previously untouched era. zahn just affects pre recorded.

But it makes no difference, fact is, both are games which created their own characters, which unless directly conflict with more reliable sources, are canon

[aNaRcHiSt44]

But the game conflicts with IG-88 being around at that point in time. The ZC was way to involved in warfare, and it took over the Eclipse, and destroyed an Executor-class Super Star Destroyer, which the game throws around like a dispensable puppet, which is of course false. What Executor was that? Werent only about 10-20 ever built? And is it mentioned that a band of extremely organised pirates attacked Kuat as the Imperial fleet retreated back there, and 'helped' the Rebllion forces obliterate them? Is it?

Perhaps the KotOR games did start off that era. Perhaps the characters there were never emntioned before it. But as I said, at least it does not conflict with anything. Btw I can accept my own ideas being turned against me. Doing wha you did was malevolently and intoxicatingly deceptional and cruel, and you attacked me just because I said something you didnt agree with. I think Scarecrow63 has also commented about that on a recently locked topic; it was locked mainly because everyone was off-topic, but I think also slightly because you were attacking people with no justification to do so. You are an arrogant arse that does not deserve to even post on these boards. Your points are invalid and sometimes stupid, and you have absoultely no reason to attack people, unless you yourself are insecure about how people prove you wrong, and hence you must resort to cruel acts to defy and demean them. I am in full agreement with Scarecrow63, even though in past we have dis-agreed soemtimes vehemently, but I am in full agreement with him now. Your stupidity has debased the people on these forums; are you proud you egotistical moron!?

[Meyer]

Who are you talking to?

ZC wasn't too involved in warfare. the campaigns only purpose is to gather information on how could you capture Eclipse. And no it isn't mentioned anywhere before that that ZC "helped" rebels in battle of Kuat. but it wasn't said anywhere that nobody helped them either. and there are 13 Executor-class SSDs. And Annihilator was one of them. So it doesn't conflict anything by being destroyed. And I guess you're soon to mention that in the game you kill Han Solo. And I say this once again: It's a gameplay thing. Sure there are some non-canon elements. but the mostly it is canon. just like your precious KOTOR.

[aNaRcHiSt44]

They were, actually. Not as much as the Rebllion or Empire certainly, but they were involved quite a bit. The Hypori factory raid, the Battle of Kuat (they destroyed an Executor, along with tons of ISD's and MCC's), the Battle with Thrawn, etc. THey had to do some fighting, otherwise they would have lost. They coud have wracked up all the credits the wanted to, but in the end, either the Empire or the Rebellion (or NR depending on the time frame) would have wiped them out. You cant just be a gigantic pirate organisation and expect to be left alone. The purpose of the campaign was also to get that artifact, and to pester Jabba, and you do a lot of fighting to get up to that point. Umm, they werent fighting the Rebellion at first were they? And they both attacked the Empire forces, so technically they were 'helping' each-other. Even if it isnt said or not-said, it happened. And that was the Annihilator? My I never would have guessed....I looked on Wookiepedia, and it said it was destroyed by Tyber Zann, but it did serve at Kuat. Apaprently there was no information on it apart from the fact that it served at Kuat, which is odd because it seems to be the only Executor Class Star Dreadnought without a history to it, which kinda leads me to think it was either invented for the game or they wiped it's early history to co-incede with the game. No I will not mention you kill Han Solo; I know he lived for a while after the NR came about. I know it's a gameplay thing and there are bound to be canon issues, but not some as major as they are in FoC. What is so bad about KotOR? There is nothing wrong with it; hell, I have never even played the bloody games! Except for two, but that was only for a little bit. Why would KotOR be precious to me? Sure my favorite Sith character is Darth Nihilius, but my favorite era isn't defined by one character. Your tone indicates you insult me and KotOR, and there is no need to insult an era because I profess to like it. Insult me, or dont insult at all.

[GrndAdmrlPellaeon]

Wow, I missed stuff again.

Anyways, the amount of forces Zann wiped out on both sides should have hurt the Empire severely and nearly depleted the Rebellion's resources. Its a good game, and it gives the Eclipse a little background, but some of this affects the canon of Star Wars way too much. Why would they never mention a band of criminals who conquered several plants, blew up massive fleets of warships, and took over a mobile Death Star? You cant cover it up because entire worlds knew who Zann was.

[Meyer]

Still none of what you have said makes it any less canon than KOTOR. And How does KOTOR not affect anything? It comes up characters and things also never mentioned before. just like Zann. and it doesn't matter that it happens when it does. and it certainly doesn't start an new era. it's part of the same era with Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma and all of those. and it also deals with an galactic scale war never heard of before. How do you explain that? because it's a game. they have things that may affect the known canon but the game itself and the characters and so on are canon. and about annihilator. there are dozens of other warships that appear on games that only give the name of the ship, and what it did on the game and whether it was destroyed or not. but you don't seem to think that is odd.

and aNaRcHiSt44, cool down. it seems you're taking this kinda personally.

[aNaRcHiSt44]

t doesnt conflict with anything 9KtOR) hence it is actually 'more' canon than FoC. What I emant by 'it started a new era' was that it basically was the first to actually focus on it and make information on it, hence the game technically 'started' the KotOR era. If you paid attention to the Star Wars Universe, which you apparently do, you would know that. I know warships are created in games for the purpose of furthering the game, but creating something as major as an Executor class Star Dradnought? I can handle say a few ISD's being made, but a Super Star Dreadnought? That just sets my teeth on edge. I probably am taking this personally, but then again, I am paranoid and devoid of mercy, and I am rather blunt and speak freely about what is on my mind. And right now that is anger. Not at you, but it is being unleashed on you. I apologize, but that's how I am. Sorry, if I have a go at you, dont hesiate to retaliate, because I probably deserve it.

[Meyer]

the first line is something I don't understand.
and there are other Executor-class SSDs that are just for games. Terror and some unnamed ship that was destroyed by rogue squadron at Fondor using STOLEN Tie fighters. but those doesn't seem to bother you.

[aNaRcHiSt44]

Sorry I meant to say "It doesnt conflict with anything (KotOR( I am talking about KotOR in this sentence)) hence it is actually 'more' canon than FoC." Sorry if you mis-understood; I type really fast, andI am bound to make some mistakes.
They dont bother me ebcause I havent heard of them, but now that I have; they do; enormously.

[Meyer]

it isn't more canon. they are equally canon.

[Isamu]

is it even possible to have more canon or less canon? they would all be equal wouldn't they?

[strike23]

it isnt really that FOC is less cannon. its that it is harder to accept as cannon because it makes less sense. You can't really argue that anything to to with FOC is just unbelieveable.

[GrndAdmrlPellaeon]

If they said FoC is canon, it is canon, just as much as KOTOR. Star Wars is their property, they can do what they want with it. I don't see the point of this thread anymore, there aren't any more points to make.

[aNaRcHiSt44]

Sorry I meant to say "It doesnt conflict with anything (KotOR( I am talking about KotOR in this sentence)) hence it is actually 'more' canon than FoC." Sorry if you mis-understood; I type really fast, andI am bound to make some mistakes.
They dont bother me ebcause I havent heard of them, but now that I have; they do; enormously.

What I meant earlier was that it is harder to judge it canon than FoC; look at what's around the word "more".
FoC is canon, but we dont have to like it, and it kind of stuffs around with a few things it shouldnt.

[Meyer]

we don't have to like anything that is canon. I person ally don't like LotF but I don't say it ain't canon.

[vadereclipse]

the first line is something I don't understand.
and there are other Executor-class SSDs that are just for games. Terror and some unnamed ship that was destroyed by rogue squadron at Fondor using STOLEN Tie fighters. but those doesn't seem to bother you.

stolen tie fighters exclusively featured in that game, but yeah, anarchist. don't go mad.