Post Shadow Hand Imperial Warlords

[jordanthejq12]

How would relations with the NR go, I wonder? Remember, Kaine has to somehow convince them he's not running the same Empire, or else the NR will continue to go after him and thus leave both parties weakened (remember the Vong). If I were Head of State I'd be willing to call it a day if Kaine were willing to initiate talks--especially if the EotH revealed itself and actually had a chance to explain the Vong. Not sure how he'd react, however.

[Pali]

How would relations with the NR go, I wonder? Remember, Kaine has to somehow convince them he's not running the same Empire, or else the NR will continue to go after him and thus leave both parties weakened (remember the Vong). If I were Head of State I'd be willing to call it a day if Kaine were willing to initiate talks--especially if the EotH revealed itself and actually had a chance to explain the Vong. Not sure how he'd react, however.

A non-aggressive, non-oppressive Empire that is leaving the NR alone?  The NR would leave it alone - since repelling the Final Imperial Push, which in this alternative timeline wouldn't have happened, the NR hadn't really been on the offensive against the IR/PA, being too consumed by internal affairs.  I suspect that had Kaine known about the Vong, he'd have been even more inclined than he already was to turtle up within the PA, building up defenses and ships while accepting - temporarily - the NR's position within the galaxy.

[Revanchist]

In addition, the New Republic had its hands tied as most of the corporate enterprises were allied with the Alignment. Attacking it would have put a serious crimp in the NRs supplies.

[Lord Xizer]

A non-aggressive, non-oppressive Empire that is leaving the NR alone?  The NR would leave it alone - since repelling the Final Imperial Push, which in this alternative timeline wouldn't have happened, the NR hadn't really been on the offensive against the IR/PA, being too consumed by internal affairs.  I suspect that had Kaine known about the Vong, he'd have been even more inclined than he already was to turtle up within the PA, building up defenses and ships while accepting - temporarily - the NR's position within the galaxy.

This is a very accurate assumption I think. Kaine would have focused on defense and stability, Pellaeon would have backed this as long as the NR didn't come forward into their territory and the NR would have left the IR/PA largely alone, after the Crimson Empire situation the NR really didn't launch any major offensives against the Empire or Warlords until after Orinda offensive and even then that response was limited. I think the two states could have coexisted rather well and when you factor the EotH into it you have a well armed military state with a flourishing economy with strong ties to one of the other factions and at least tolerable coexistance with the other. I don't see the Vong being anywhere near as successful, since their invasion corrifor would have been smack through heavily fortified and patrolled IR/PA territory, thus denying them their beachhead.

[Pali]

This is a very accurate assumption I think. Kaine would have focused on defense and stability, Pellaeon would have backed this as long as the NR didn't come forward into their territory and the NR would have left the IR/PA largely alone, after the Crimson Empire situation the NR really didn't launch any major offensives against the Empire or Warlords until after Orinda offensive and even then that response was limited. I think the two states could have coexisted rather well and when you factor the EotH into it you have a well armed military state with a flourishing economy with strong ties to one of the other factions and at least tolerable coexistance with the other. I don't see the Vong being anywhere near as successful, since their invasion corrifor would have been smack through heavily fortified and patrolled IR/PA territory, thus denying them their beachhead.

Agreed.  Even the biggest hawks in the NR couldn't have convinced the council to go along with attacking a major power with the combined military might of the PA and IR circa 11 ABY, particularly if that power is itself sincerely seeking peace and has the popular support of its citizenry.  And it occurs to me that, in this alternate timeline we've constructed, the Vong books probably would've been from a largely PA/IR point of view (with them being rightfully in the hero role for this conflict), since it'd have been damn-near impossible to convince the NR leadership at that time to lend aid to what would look, at least at first, like a small invasion on the far side of Imperial territory.  Though now I'm intrigued by the notion of this peace treaty having been in place for over a decade, and the possibility of Imperial Jedi fighting the Vong while the NR are the bad guys because of bureaucratic and political corruption... Disney!  Movie VIII!  With a govt. that could respond quickly and decisively to the Vong early on, the storyline could be condensed to two hours, I'm sure - if you need longer, have Peter Jackson do it in three and a half (wait, no, he'd need at least three movies...).

[Lord Xizer]

Agreed.  Even the biggest hawks in the NR couldn't have convinced the council to go along with attacking a major power with the combined military might of the PA and IR circa 11 ABY, particularly if that power is itself sincerely seeking peace and has the popular support of its citizenry.  And it occurs to me that, in this alternate timeline we've constructed, the Vong books probably would've been from a largely PA/IR point of view (with them being rightfully in the hero role for this conflict), since it'd have been damn-near impossible to convince the NR leadership at that time to lend aid to what would look, at least at first, like a small invasion on the far side of Imperial territory.  Though now I'm intrigued by the notion of this peace treaty having been in place for over a decade, and the possibility of Imperial Jedi fighting the Vong while the NR are the bad guys because of bureaucratic and political corruption... Disney!  Movie VIII!  With a govt. that could respond quickly and decisively to the Vong early on, the storyline could be condensed to two hours, I'm sure - if you need longer, have Peter Jackson do it in three and a half (wait, no, he'd need at least three movies...).

Well I don't know about Imperial Jedi but I could see the New Jedi Order helping the Imps(Similar to the Bakura situation) Also I don't even see the IR/PA asking the NR for help(I mean hell they didn't want to ask for help when they lost their capital!) From the EotH yes, that I can see. Still it would make a Kriffing good movie!

[jordanthejq12]

The Jedi probably would get in there and do something. I would presume that the Jedi leadership would know this invasion was a lot more than a small invasion on the far side of Imperial territory, and even if they couldn't see that, it would become quite plain once the Vong struck in full force. At that point you wonder if the Imperial alliance would be enough to contain the Vong. Probably, which means the NR gets to stick around for a fair bit longer.