Unit counts?

[Angellus]

Hello Everyone!

I noticed from reading the unit lists that the Empire and New Republic have fewer units than they did in the Empire at War mod, and fewer than any of the Sins of a Solar Empire factions. Are there other units that are going to be added?

[Rovert10]

As of now no, they may add another ship or two later on.

[Kalo]

Would the fans like us to add more than what's on the list? If so there has to be a reason behind it. Like, the reason the MTC is going to be considered a Capital ship is because of how multi roled it's going to be. It has a real purpose, like colonization or whatever else it can be specced into.


No "ADD THE SSD 9001 PLS." unless you have a real ACTUAL reason. And please don't take the last part as me stifling your creativity, we want to hear stuff like this. We never have any decision in the mod without major criticism and serious discussion in our Mod.


EDIT : I'd like to say that it is going to be expanded on. The reason it's so small now is because we want base functionality instead of quantity. So now would definitely be the time to chime in with your previously well thought out ideas.

[tlmiller]

I'd like to see the XG1 Star Wing instead of the Scimitar.  While similar in overall performance, the XG1 had Ion Cannons, most likely had stronger shielding (considering it had stronger shields than a y-wing), and was around before the Scimitar.  It also, IMO, just plain looks better.

They obviously need the Tector/Allegiance as a purely capital ship combat oriented capital.

I'd like to see the ancient Dreadnaught dumped entirely and replaced with something like the Procursator (again, not much canon stats other than 1.2 KM long) that fills the same basic role "cheap generic capital ship" or even the Gladiator despite it's runtish size.

I assume the Asasult Frigate is the v1?  I'm hoping so.

If you wanted to give the NR a second supercap the Mediator would make sense, if you didn't mind coming up with a weapons load for it.

[mynameisyou]

I agree.

[Kalo]

I agree.

Saying things like this don't actually help or contribute to the conversation.


EDIT : I'll clarify so you don't hate me ; When you say shit like this? You're not helping. As I said above, it does nothing for the actual conversation. It's like telling someone you're offended in the middle of a conversation, it's more of a whine than anything important. What we want you to do is actually express yourself in your posts, you're a smart person, we know you guys can do that.

[mynameisyou]

ok then kalo.

I think that the replacing the scimitar is a great idea the star wing was after all in much wider use and the scimitar was really only used by thrawn.

rather than removing the dreadnaut add the Katana class as an upgrade. the gladiator should be added but not at the cost of such a wide spread ship it does after all serve a completely different purpose.

I would also like to see the rebels need to research the dreadnought before being able to research the assault frigate would also like to see the mark 2 to added as an upgrade to the first one.

the mediator is cool but i think adding the Bulwark's upgradeable from mark one suits the rebel style better, by having multiple lighter ships making them more versatile, another thing the bulwark could do that the mediator could not is act as a coloniser.

Now for the PA would like to see the Missile Boat added to the as a counter to the TIE defender it would add variety and add a cool ship made by thrawn I think  the Bellator would be a nice counter to the bulwarks and Eclipse for the PA would also like to see the vengeance instead of the Executor for them just to add variety and because it looks great.

[mynameisyou]

also adding http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rakehell as a flag ship.

[Rovert10]

I can't even find a single reference picture to even concieve how a model of this would even look like.

[tlmiller]

Neither can I.  I would assume that it probably was just an oversized ISD, but of course that's no guarantee it would.

[Settra]

also adding http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rakehell as a flag ship.

Man, when you add suggestions you should really at least make sure they have one picture. Additionally, I don't think pushing the Bulwark will help all that much, they have already commented on how they feel about it.

[Corey]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to make that the flagship for anything when it was a weapons testbed, there's no image or stats, and the faction it belonged to isn't in the mod.

[mynameisyou]

ok then kalo.

I think that the replacing the scimitar is a great idea the star wing was after all in much wider use and the scimitar was really only used by thrawn.

rather than removing the dreadnaut add the Katana class as an upgrade. the gladiator should be added but not at the cost of such a wide spread ship it does after all serve a completely different purpose.

I would also like to see the rebels need to research the dreadnought before being able to research the assault frigate would also like to see the mark 2 to added as an upgrade to the first one.

the mediator is cool but i think adding the Bulwark's upgradeable from mark one suits the rebel style better, by having multiple lighter ships making them more versatile, another thing the bulwark could do that the mediator could not is act as a coloniser.

Now for the PA would like to see the Missile Boat added to the as a counter to the TIE defender it would add variety and add a cool ship made by thrawn I think  the Bellator would be a nice counter to the bulwarks and Eclipse for the PA would also like to see the vengeance instead of the Executor for them just to add variety and because it looks great.

What about the rest of these.

[Corey]

I'd like to see the XG1 Star Wing instead of the Scimitar.  While similar in overall performance, the XG1 had Ion Cannons, most likely had stronger shielding (considering it had stronger shields than a y-wing), and was around before the Scimitar.  It also, IMO, just plain looks better.

I think that the replacing the scimitar is a great idea the star wing was after all in much wider use and the scimitar was really only used by thrawn.

Miller, I'm not sure if the points on performance are necessarily points in favour of adding it. Scimitars are already powerful, and they have the Defender above that so it may not be the best idea to trade it for something more powerful. For appearance, I prefer the Scimitar, but more importantly it fits the Imperial designs better.

It's true that the XG series were around before the Scimitar, but considering you have to research it anyways, having a fighter that was developed during the timeframe of the mod isn't a huge negative. From what I've read the Star Wing also fell out of wide use before Endor, whereas the Scimitar was used pretty widely by Thrawn and then at least maintained some sort of consistent presence for the next 20 years (Kir Kanos used one, so they were still used under Palpatine to some extent, and they popped up in the Vong War as well).

They obviously need the Tector/Allegiance as a purely capital ship combat oriented capital.

Short term plan is Praetor, long term plan is Allegiance. The Tector was considered, and was planned for for a long time but ultimately I decided to axe it. There's nothing inherently wrong with the Tector but the power difference between an ISDII and a Tector isn't really big enough to justify using 3 capital ship slots for such a similar range (ISDI-Tector), and there are some readability issues ingame if you're trying to micromanage. Kind of hard to know at a glance what's a Tector and what's an ISD.

I'd like to see the ancient Dreadnaught dumped entirely and replaced with something like the Procursator (again, not much canon stats other than 1.2 KM long) that fills the same basic role "cheap generic capital ship" or even the Gladiator despite it's runtish size.

The Dreadnaught is kind of too iconic to drop, and it fills a pretty unique niche though it could probably do with some power or durability buffs to offset its poor mobility. The Gladiator is in the same space I guess, but it's being saved for the PA. The Procursator is more of a VSDII replacement.

I assume the Asasult Frigate is the v1?  I'm hoping so.

I would also like to see the rebels need to research the dreadnought before being able to research the assault frigate would also like to see the mark 2 to added as an upgrade to the first one.

Assault Frigate refers to the Mk. I. It would be redundant to give them the Dreadnaught. As for the Mk II it wouldn't really serve a purpose, and they retconned it so that it went out of production after the time period of EaW.

If you wanted to give the NR a second supercap the Mediator would make sense, if you didn't mind coming up with a weapons load for it.

Came during the Vong War, and we have absolutely no desire to make a second SSD for them.

[tlmiller]

So short term the IR and PA will have Praetors and then eventually it will be a PA only unit while the Allegiance replaces it for the IR?  If so, I like that idea.

As far as the Dreadnaught, I kinda knew there's no chance of getting it dropped, it's just so useless of a ship to me at this point in the timeline.  Even with all the slave circuitry to make manning it reasonable, it (canonically) is weaker than some heavy Frigates (Assault Frigate of course) and is barely more powerful than others (such as the Strike Cruiser), while being so plodding and slow, and still being a capital ships cost.

[mynameisyou]

ok then kalo.

I think that the replacing the scimitar is a great idea the star wing was after all in much wider use and the scimitar was really only used by thrawn.

rather than removing the dreadnaut add the Katana class as an upgrade. the gladiator should be added but not at the cost of such a wide spread ship it does after all serve a completely different purpose.

I would also like to see the rebels need to research the dreadnought before being able to research the assault frigate would also like to see the mark 2 to added as an upgrade to the first one.

the mediator is cool but i think adding the Bulwark's upgradeable from mark one suits the rebel style better, by having multiple lighter ships making them more versatile, another thing the bulwark could do that the mediator could not is act as a coloniser.

Now for the PA would like to see the Missile Boat added to the as a counter to the TIE defender it would add variety and add a cool ship made by thrawn I think  the Bellator would be a nice counter to the bulwarks and Eclipse for the PA would also like to see the vengeance instead of the Executor for them just to add variety and because it looks great.

still think these upgrades are a good idea.

[Kalo]

still think these upgrades are a good idea.

Did you just delete your post and repost it? Please stop this. Most of what you've said was addressed by Corey, and although I don't know what the PA is using for their version of the TIE Defender, I do know we've discussed it internally at one point before and I am sure you guys will enjoy it.

[tlmiller]

I would assume their going to use the Hunter again...

[Lavo]

Or perhaps the Avenger or Raptor.

[tlmiller]

Raptor fits more to Zsinj (obviously since it was designed by his engineers), so I don't see them getting that since I seem to recall Zsinj had a particular dislike of Kaine.

Avenger would be cool to see it in the mod, but the hunter has ion cannons and a larger "stock" layout of projectiles.  While there is no canon listing of shield strength one would assume it's probably at the least equal to, possibly superior to the Avenger, so as an analogue to the Defender, the Avenger falls rather short since it's woefully underequipped for anything other than superiority (although I would still fly one over a Defender for superiority due to it's much smaller profile).