Author Topic: Stormtroopers (Read 32594 times)

Slornie · « **Reply #40 on:** June 16, 2007, 04:41:30 AM »

Quote from: meyer on June 14, 2007, 02:10:13 AM

Yeah. the imperial clones were likely very different from the republic clones.

didnt they use different cloning methods as well ?
because the Kaminoan clones the Republic used took 10 years to grow, whereas the facility that Thrawn found in Wayland was Spaarti cylinders, which seems to have allowed for much faster clone growth (even without Ysalamiri)

Meyer · « **Reply #41 on:** June 16, 2007, 06:36:57 AM »

propably. but without Ysalamiri those fast crown clones will come mad. Maybe that is why Kaminoans used ten years, to make them mentaly stable.

Slornie · « **Reply #42 on:** June 16, 2007, 06:51:01 AM »

with the Spaarti cylinders they could apparently grow stable clones in one year - although they dont have as much training and conditioning as the Kaminoan clones

Meyer · « **Reply #43 on:** June 16, 2007, 06:54:31 AM »

that is how I understanded it. But with the help of Ysalamiri it takes only weeks to have adult clones or maybe only days as hinted in Thrawn trilogy.

Kratas · « **Reply #44 on:** June 16, 2007, 07:16:13 AM »

well clones still arnt as good as normal people clones apart from arcs dont have free will

Slornie · « **Reply #45 on:** June 16, 2007, 07:21:37 AM »

but on the other hand, clones are highly trained, loyal, easily replaceable, dont require much pay (what are they going to spend it on), no family ties, minimum upkeep costs (no need to cater for specific dietary requirements of different species, etc)

Meyer · « **Reply #46 on:** June 16, 2007, 10:28:47 AM »

Yep. In my opinion clone troopers are much better than normal ones. The have been taught military tactics and skills all their life.

Scarecrow63 · « **Reply #47 on:** June 16, 2007, 11:40:56 AM »

And the clone officers were probably better in battlefield command than non-clone officers

Meyer · « **Reply #48 on:** June 16, 2007, 12:34:57 PM »

definetly.

Wal-Mart Shoplifter · « **Reply #49 on:** June 16, 2007, 03:43:18 PM »

Of course everything about clones were altered in some way or another. Making them the ultimate killing machines with a brain.

Slornie · « **Reply #50 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:42:49 AM »

another thing in their favour is that they are all identical in build - so there is need for only one size uniform

and if they lose limbs or organs they can easily grow replacements..

Meyer · « **Reply #51 on:** June 17, 2007, 02:52:04 PM »

good point. it is easier and faster to make armor for one size than dozen different sizes

Wal-Mart Shoplifter · « **Reply #52 on:** June 18, 2007, 01:06:21 PM »

Which would make sense if all the stormtroopers were clones, Because they all seemed to have identical height.

Meyer · « **Reply #53 on:** June 18, 2007, 03:09:12 PM »

they had some demands about height, you had to be over 1.8m but under 2m, if I remember right.

Zeron · « **Reply #54 on:** June 18, 2007, 03:32:34 PM »

Stormtroopers weren't completely loyal to the Empire at all, like they would be if they were Clones. There are multiple instances of them surrendering or even rebelling against the Empire in the books and movies. Clone trooper's were also disliked by the majority of the Empire's worlds, and completely unsuited to policing the galaxy. Not only did they lack experience to make crucial decisions, they would die far too fast to be assigned to most of the jobs Stormtroopers did.

Meyer · « **Reply #55 on:** June 19, 2007, 01:53:55 AM »

But people who got in the Stormtrooper Corps (which was totally different from Imperial Army that did all the policing) had to be completely loyal to emperor to get in. And being loyal doesn't mean they can't surrender. Being loyal means they won't rebel themselves. The idea that you are disloyal if you surrender was invented by Stalin in WWII. And clones could make cricial decisions if needed. How could they command the GAR with the jedis help if they couldn't?

Slornie · « **Reply #56 on:** June 19, 2007, 06:08:08 AM »

the Stormtroopers were on many occasions described as fanatically loyal to the Emperor - to such an extent that after his death many appeared distracted, and had less concern for their own safety/survival (This is definitely mentioned in X-Wing: Rogue Squadron, by Michael Stackpole).

Z, could a citizen (or anyone for that matter) tell the difference between a recruited stormtrooper and a cloned stormtrooper inside his armour ? The armour gives them anonymity, ensuring that the citizens dont know who or what they are dealing with. And as to the 'dying too fast' issue - that is only the case if they are grown using accelerated aging, the Empire had sufficient resources and time to allow the clones to be grown at a natural pace.

Meyer · « **Reply #57 on:** June 19, 2007, 08:02:24 AM »

wasn't the point of the armor (especially helmet) that nobody would recognize who they were yp against. they don't know if there is a clone or recruit.

Wal-Mart Shoplifter · « **Reply #58 on:** June 19, 2007, 08:58:57 AM »

Their armor stood for a very many of things. One that I could think of is military dominance. Everyone knew what a stormtrooper was, and every sane person wouldn't challenge their order/attorney. It was also a psychological advantage because of in a fire fight their opponent didn't have the element of seeing their masked faces, Which made them all the more unpredictable and intimidating.

Meyer · « **Reply #59 on:** June 19, 2007, 12:17:51 PM »

yep. faceless enforcers of Emperor.

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Were all Stormtroopers recruits, or were there clones within the ranks as well?

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