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Would prefer micro-transactions and loot crates over paid DLC?

Paid DLC(Season Pass)
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Mirco-transations and loot crates
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Author Topic: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?  (Read 8420 times)

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October 16, 2017, 03:27:38 PMReply #20

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Re: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2017, 03:27:38 PM »
That a lot of people on Reddit, Youtube and 4chan are pissed just means that EA hasn't gone out of business after a massive fire at their headquarters yet.  There will always be someone loud and pissed on the internet.  If EA had instead gone with just paid DLCs, then you'd be getting videos bitching about how the game is going to be released in an unfinished state, that all the DLCs should be included in the base game for the base price, etc.  Never trust that internet outrage is giving you a complete picture.

I'm not seeing any sources supporting the claim that unique lootboxes will be available for purchase that guarantee rewards.

"The primary takeaway from the full explanation of the game's loot boxes is that the most powerful items in the game won't be coming from them. The most powerful items in the game will, instead, be unlocked through achievements, and only achievements. This means that it's not possibly to pay money to suddenly get the best items in the game, although it is still possible to pay money to get more items, that will possibly be better than the ones you have."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gaming/news/star-wars-battlefront-2s-powerful-items-wont-appear-loot-boxes/

R6S's DLC policy is that you get the new maps and game modes for free, but you do NOT get the new characters and their new gadgets for free, and purchase of a season pass also increases your progression rate.

October 16, 2017, 04:31:36 PMReply #21

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Re: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2017, 04:31:36 PM »
R6S's DLC policy is that you get the new maps and game modes for free, but you do NOT get the new characters and their new gadgets for free, and purchase of a season pass also increases your progression rate.
Your incorrect. You do get the characters, but you must first earn the credits in the game to buy them. It use to be before that season pass holders got chracters for free, but they change it so that now everyone has to progress to unlock them.

"The primary takeaway from the full explanation of the game's loot boxes is that the most powerful items in the game won't be coming from them. The most powerful items in the game will, instead, be unlocked through achievements, and only achievements. This means that it's not possibly to pay money to suddenly get the best items in the game, although it is still possible to pay money to get more items, that will possibly be better than the ones you have."
What is defined as OP? Are they saying that OP weapons and gear are going to be locked behind achievements that my take forever to complete. Also doesn't this undermine the whole point of having lootcrates? Someone here argue earlier that this helps gear up new players if they join in a month or so after, but this contradicts that. Also what if items that aren't considerd OP turn out OP? At this rate, make bring back Hutt Contracts.... Also what items that are in thhe unlock in achievements turn out to be completely useless? Also what are the requirements for these challenges going to be?
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October 16, 2017, 07:40:53 PMReply #22

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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2017, 07:40:53 PM »
Your incorrect. You do get the characters, but you must first earn the credits in the game to buy them. It use to be before that season pass holders got chracters for free, but they change it so that now everyone has to progress to unlock them.

My source was an older article, so their policy may well have changed.  But isn't that kind of behavior a reason to avoid doomsaying?  Nothing stops EA from being able to look at how things are going a month or so into the game and change how progression is handled in a similar manner.

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What is defined as OP? Are they saying that OP weapons and gear are going to be locked behind achievements that my take forever to complete. Also doesn't this undermine the whole point of having lootcrates? Someone here argue earlier that this helps gear up new players if they join in a month or so after, but this contradicts that. Also what if items that aren't considerd OP turn out OP? At this rate, make bring back Hutt Contracts.... Also what items that are in thhe unlock in achievements turn out to be completely useless? Also what are the requirements for these challenges going to be?

I linked to the article, you are welcome to read what details are within yourself.  There are no contradictions unless you are thinking in absolutes - just because lootcrates don't give the best doesn't mean they can't give better than you have, and some people will happily pay to get better than what they have so it's easier or more enjoyable to earn the best.  All of your balance concerns are issues that a) are speculative and b) can be reworked after launch as the game receives feedback.

October 31, 2017, 03:05:02 PMReply #23

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Re: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2017, 03:05:02 PM »
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October 31, 2017, 05:42:28 PMReply #24

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Re: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2017, 05:42:28 PM »
doesn't mean its acceptable now...
They still have some guns locked in loot crates, their has not been a video explaining the new system to be fully understood, and they are still offering some gear in these crates so it is less pay-to-win.
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October 31, 2017, 07:29:40 PMReply #25

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Re: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2017, 07:29:40 PM »
Epic Star Cards, the highest tier of Star Cards available at launch, have been removed from Crates. To help keep everyone on a level playing field, these Star Cards will primarily be available through crafting, with the exception of special Epic Star Cards available through pre-order, deluxe, and starter packs.
You'll need to reach a certain rank to craft upgraded Star Cards. You won't be able to buy a bunch of Crates, grind everything up into crafting materials, and immediately use them to get super powerful Star Cards. You can only upgrade the ability to craft higher tier Star Cards by ranking up through playing the game.
Weapons are locked behind specific milestones. While a select few will be found in Crates, the rest can only be attained by play. Want to unlock a new weapon for your Heavy? Play as a Heavy and you’ll gain access to the class’s new weapons.
Class-specific gear and items can be unlocked by playing as them. As you progress through your favorite class, you’ll hit milestones granting you class-specific Crates. These will include a mix of Star Cards and Crafting Parts to benefit your class’s development.
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November 01, 2017, 04:34:56 AMReply #26

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Re: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2017, 04:34:56 AM »
I wonder if EA's Plan from the start was: Let's make it as Pay2Win as possible from the start so everyone complains and then we will row back a little bit, so it seems better but we will still earn shitloads of money, because with paid lootcrates you will still advance much faster. (Or rather have the ingredients to craft right away)

November 01, 2017, 06:05:26 PMReply #27

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Re: Did Ea shoot themselves in the foot with BF2?
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2017, 06:05:26 PM »
Epic Star Cards, the highest tier of Star Cards available at launch, have been removed from Crates. To help keep everyone on a level playing field, these Star Cards will primarily be available through crafting, with the exception of special Epic Star Cards available through pre-order, deluxe, and starter packs.
You'll need to reach a certain rank to craft upgraded Star Cards. You won't be able to buy a bunch of Crates, grind everything up into crafting materials, and immediately use them to get super powerful Star Cards. You can only upgrade the ability to craft higher tier Star Cards by ranking up through playing the game.
Weapons are locked behind specific milestones. While a select few will be found in Crates, the rest can only be attained by play. Want to unlock a new weapon for your Heavy? Play as a Heavy and you’ll gain access to the class’s new weapons.
Class-specific gear and items can be unlocked by playing as them. As you progress through your favorite class, you’ll hit milestones granting you class-specific Crates. These will include a mix of Star Cards and Crafting Parts to benefit your class’s development.
Really now? We still have one big problem
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-battlefront-2-deluxe-edition-and-pre-ord/1100-6449379/

You can pre-order to unlock weapons for free and get epic ability upgrades for characters. Just because some stuff has been removed doesn't fic the problem entirely. You can still exploit the system for a advantage by paying more.
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