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December 02, 2016, 08:54:34 PM

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How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« on: December 02, 2016, 08:54:34 PM »
It's been almost a year since The Force Awakens and the reaction, although generally positive with critics, has been mixed amonst Star Wars fans - those who are fans of the movies have complained that TFA was just a remake of A New Hope, while fans of the Expanded Universe complain about all the things that don't make sense, like the Galactic Empire being defeated in one year rather than fifteen and the First Order being able to build bigger Star Destroyers and a weapon that trumps the Death Star with presumably fewer resources.

So now I put it to you - how would you have done Episode 7? Let's hear some synopses for the gap between Return of the Jedi and your Episode 7 and a synopsis for your Ep 7. Here's my take:

Post-RotJ events:

With the death of Darth Vader and the Emperor, the Rebel Alliance proclaimed themselves the New Republic and appealed to the systems of the galaxy to join them in reinstating democracy. With the head of the Imperial hierarchy cut off, many Imperial governors sympathetic to the rebels crossed the floor and pledged their systems and forces to the New Republic. The Inquisitorius, being the only force-users of the Empire, saw themselves as the rightful heirs to the Imperial throne and force-choked their way into power. They sent their most powerful Inquisitors to each remaining loyal system as political enforcers, preventing the Empire from splintering and any further defections. The New Republic sued for peace, but to no avail, the Empire swiftly began attacking the turncoat systems. The galaxy was split into two and war was back on the agenda for both sides.

Luke Skywalker began reforming the Jedi Order and was staunchly against involving the Jedi in the war, believing that their involvement in the Clone Wars was a critical part of their downfall. The Jedi resumed their role as ambassadors and negotiators, however, they benefited from the war effort as new systems meant new force-sensitive citizens to recruit. As the war dragged on, more Jedi were recruited from former Imperial worlds and more Jedi found their homeworlds being taken by the Empire. This caused a stir amongst the Order, with many Jedi arguing that as opponents to the dark side, they should fight the Inquisitors just as Luke himself fought Vader and the Emperor. They needn't be frontline soldiers like in the Clone Wars, they would cooperate with the Republic military to launch surgical strikes targeting the Inquisitors only - with them gone, the Imperials could then be free to surrender. Luke agreed to the proposition, and appealing to Leia, now a member of the Republic Senate, the Jedi formed their strike teams.

In cooperation with intelligence services and special forces, the Jedi performed their strike missions and were successful in killing many Inquisitors. The systems under their control either freely defected to the New Republic or fought on until surrendering. The tide of the war turned, and the remaining Inquisitors were driven into hiding. Twenty years after the fall of the Emperor, what remained of the Empire crumbled and came under Republic control. The Jedi disbanded their strike teams and peace returned to the galaxy.



Episode 7:

Luke Skywalker is on a mission to Mandalore where a flashpoint is developing over territory disputes between the Mandalorians and neighbouring planets. However, he is ambushed by Inquisitors and captured by them. The Grand Inquisitor takes Luke to the Inquisitorial hideout in the Unknown Regions and begins interrogating him, seeking to learn the locations of Jedi training facilities.

Leia senses that something is wrong with Luke and goes to talk to the Jedi council. They reveal that they have felt a disturbance in the force, and they believe agents of the dark side are responsible. Her son, Ben Solo, volunteers to go on a mission to find him. Leia is then called to attend a Senate meeting immediately: the Mandalorians have launched invasions into the disputed territories.

Han Solo is put in charge of the task-force being sent to repel the Mandalorians, while Ben, R2-D2, and a team of Jedi set out in the Millennium Falcon to investigate the disappearance of Luke. While Han's fleet engages the Mandalorians in space, the Jedi make their way to Mandalore. There, they board the space station where Luke was due for the negotiations and R2 accesses the station's ship logs. They learn that a ship of an imperial design was docked at the station and its hyperspace point of origin was in the Unknown Regions. The Jedi return to the Falcon and fight Mandalorian interceptors before jumping to hyperspace.

Luke has so far resisted all interrogation. The Grand Inquisitor decides to use another method of coercion - he reveals a weapon he has been building since the destruction of the second Death Star, a starship that has a superlaser almost as powerful. He says that the only target they intend to use it on is Jedi training facilities, but unless Luke reveals their locations, they will use it on political targets. Luke must choose, either the Jedi or the Republic, which will fall first. When Luke still refuses to relent, the Inquisitor arranges for them to be taken aboard the ship.

Han's fleet is losing the battle with the Mandalorians. Mandalorian commandos manage to board the Republic ships and begin taking them down from the inside. Han finds his capital ship boarded by a team of commandos led by the Mand'alor himself, Boba Fett. Han, Chewie, and the Republic troopers manage to fight off the Mandalorians and force Boba Fett to escape the ship before they cause too much damage. With the battle lost, Han orders all surviving forces to retreat.

The Jedi emerge in the Unknown Regions - there they find the Inquisitorial super-weapon. They can sense Luke's presence aboard the ship and move towards it, looking for an access point. They land the Millenium Falcon on the ship, but just as they do, it prepares to jump to hyperspace. Ben has R2 work out the hyperspace coordinates, and R2 reveals it is on course for the Republic capital. The Jedi send a warning to the Republic before disembarking to find Luke.

As the remnants of Han's fleet arrives at the Republic capital, so too does the Inquisitors' superweapon. Han immediately rallies the Republic forces to attack it. Meanwhile, the Jedi fight their way through Mandalorians aboard the ship. They run into Luke being escorted by the Grand Inquisitor who engages the Jedi while Ben frees Luke from his shackles. As the Grand Inquisitor kills a number of Jedi, Luke and Ben engage him and manage to take the upper hand. The Republic forces deal heavy damage to the ship and are on the verge of destroying it. The Grand Inquisitor escapes, and Luke and Ben return to the Falcon to make their own escape. Luke, Ben, Han, Chewie and R2 meet Leia and C3PO to celebrate Luke's safe return and the threat of the superweapon gone. However, Luke and Han point out that it's too early to celebrate - the Inquisitors have returned and the Mandalorians are on the rise.

The Grand Inquisitor arrives at Mandalore and meets with Boba Fett. The Grand Inquisitor congratulates him on his successful establishment of a new Mandalorian empire, and reminds him that part of their deal was to allow the Inquisitors safe haven on Mandalore. Boba Fett agrees, but reminds the Grand Inquisitor not to get involved in his affairs - the Mandalorians will take down the Republic, the Inquisitorius will take down the Jedi.

And that's it. What do you think? What would you do?

December 03, 2016, 12:41:44 AMReply #1

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2016, 12:41:44 AM »
I would have just made it different from Episode IV.  Pretty much anything would have been an improvement if it weren't just Episode IV, reboot.
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December 03, 2016, 11:45:19 AMReply #2

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2016, 11:45:19 AM »
A little different but its still the same premise of episode four in the terms of finding out there is a super weapon, being captured and taken aboard, having people come rescue you, and blowing it up (nearly). For me I would've kept the same cast and characters from TFA, and changed it to them fighting the first order with out any sort of super weapon, just with a massive fleet.
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December 03, 2016, 08:31:05 PMReply #3

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2016, 08:31:05 PM »
Option A: They force me to get rid of the EU and remake Episode 4.
Everything's the same, except Kylo dies after getting shot down by a swarm of X-wings because he's actually competent in doing things, Rei barely is able to use the force, doesn't get 1 for 1 kills the entire movie with her blaster, and the Death Star replacement is a ship with a super laser on it, but is obviously weak. Also the Resurgence Class-SD is just a redesigned but slightly smaller ISD2. If they force me to keep Kylo alive, he force stasis both Finn and Rei but walks off to a transport due to being pushed back by X-Wings or such. And Finn and Rei both lose arms fighting Kylo. If they for whatever Goddamn reason force me to include a saber fight but tell me I can't get rid of anyone's arms, Kylo force pushes them into a wall and laughs, again, and again, and again. Also, no sub-space bullshit. And no Resistance either. Lastly replace Jakku with literally anything else, and make the scrapyard more than just Imperial tech, and Rei n Finn meet up with Han Solo working as a transporter / general for the NR instead as a smuggler looking for the Falcon, he still has the Falcon.

Option B: Reboot but doesn't have to be ANH.
Luke is watching over Jacen, Jania, Ben, and Anakin as they tell him the story of how they took down an Imperial Warlord in a covert commando mission, with a lot of flash backs.

Option C: I get to keep the EU.
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December 03, 2016, 09:47:43 PMReply #4

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2016, 09:47:43 PM »
It would revolve around Jaina. Main focus would be the Unkown Regions. Supporting cast members like Jag and the Wraiths with a cameo by the old cast. Takes places after the Fate series so jaina's development and centralization to the plot allows for maximum CREATIVE FREEDOM, while still giving a nod to the old days and adventures.
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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2016, 06:22:32 AM »
Well, I would go at it in a very very different approach.
I would start by imperial fleets disappearing left and right black fleet style with no sources of indication where they went. Imperial planets abandoned, no sign of opposition in chokepoints. Nothing, nowhere, but star destroyer wrecks at a few places, heavily damages on outposts.
The investigation's conclusion: infighting between imperial groups. It culminates in finding an Executor class in pieces. The NR salvages the wreck and starts to rebuild it. They secure the galaxy in 5 years(the decreased time can e ruled out as the missing opposition in this case, yet still not as ridiculous as 1 year.)
Then it happens. The New Republic high command loses contact with a patrol. They send a fleet but they just go dark. The NR declares the sector off limits in precaution.
Then comes the disappearence of some mole miners. Then the canonized version of the battle for Sluis Van. And since thrawn is canon, he could pull the strings. He reunited most of the empire and pulled back to the unknown regions, regrouping an salvaging whatever he could, calling out for all who is loyal to the empire. The attack on Sluis Van is a success this time, and he captures a whole new republic fleet. The fleet of MC 80s are got a good use immediately. Posing as a New republic fleet under attack by imperial forces engages in a fake battle against an ISD and an Interdictor. When reinforcements arrive, the imperials does not retreat. The NR support fleet comes in range, and then... A whole imperial fleet pops up right on them, using a precision hyperspace jump with the gravity well of the interdictor.
The new republic fleet gets obliterated before they could report back. System after system falls with no info for years. And this is where we start episode 7. The NR is in fear and the Resistance could be those brave few whom would try to go after whatever kills their fleets. and by the end, trough sheer luck plot bunnies as ever they get to know that it is the empire, that thrawn leads the empire and there wouldn't be any superweapon. just super tactics. Oh, and Han would die, but in a much more dignified way. In the final battle of the movie where the heroes would try to run away with the info, they would be outgunned and couldn't jump because of an interdictor, and to save them, Han would ram his ship into it so the others could get away. So Han's death would at least mean something and not just die because why not. This would be a death fitting for him, and even his development in the original triology would mean something, culminating in this event.
What do you guys think?
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December 04, 2016, 03:07:22 PMReply #6

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2016, 03:07:22 PM »
Well, I would go at it in a very very different approach.
I would start by imperial fleets disappearing left and right black fleet style with no sources of indication where they went. Imperial planets abandoned, no sign of opposition in chokepoints. Nothing, nowhere, but star destroyer wrecks at a few places, heavily damages on outposts.
The investigation's conclusion: infighting between imperial groups. It culminates in finding an Executor class in pieces. The NR salvages the wreck and starts to rebuild it. They secure the galaxy in 5 years(the decreased time can e ruled out as the missing opposition in this case, yet still not as ridiculous as 1 year.)
Then it happens. The New Republic high command loses contact with a patrol. They send a fleet but they just go dark. The NR declares the sector off limits in precaution.
Then comes the disappearence of some mole miners. Then the canonized version of the battle for Sluis Van. And since thrawn is canon, he could pull the strings. He reunited most of the empire and pulled back to the unknown regions, regrouping an salvaging whatever he could, calling out for all who is loyal to the empire. The attack on Sluis Van is a success this time, and he captures a whole new republic fleet. The fleet of MC 80s are got a good use immediately. Posing as a New republic fleet under attack by imperial forces engages in a fake battle against an ISD and an Interdictor. When reinforcements arrive, the imperials does not retreat. The NR support fleet comes in range, and then... A whole imperial fleet pops up right on them, using a precision hyperspace jump with the gravity well of the interdictor.
The new republic fleet gets obliterated before they could report back. System after system falls with no info for years. And this is where we start episode 7. The NR is in fear and the Resistance could be those brave few whom would try to go after whatever kills their fleets. and by the end, trough sheer luck plot bunnies as ever they get to know that it is the empire, that thrawn leads the empire and there wouldn't be any superweapon. just super tactics. Oh, and Han would die, but in a much more dignified way. In the final battle of the movie where the heroes would try to run away with the info, they would be outgunned and couldn't jump because of an interdictor, and to save them, Han would ram his ship into it so the others could get away. So Han's death would at least mean something and not just die because why not. This would be a death fitting for him, and even his development in the original triology would mean something, culminating in this event.
What do you guys think?

While interesting isn't it unrealistic with the technology of Star Wars and probability to say that Thrawn could fight a shadow war for years with noone figuring out its the Empire?

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2016, 06:51:11 AM »
While interesting isn't it unrealistic with the technology of Star Wars and probability to say that Thrawn could fight a shadow war for years with noone figuring out its the Empire?
not really. coms and sensors can be jammed as the battle of Endor shows, ships can be stopped from jumping with immobilizer 418s and thrawn is such a tactical genius that he (and maybe 2 or 3 more guy in the EU) can pull such a thing of. Think of the black fleet as I said. it disappeared and haven't been found for a decade.
And the NR would not have even known about it if not for that plot bunny escapee. So no, it is not impossible. Very hard to accomplish, but not impossible.
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December 05, 2016, 07:36:30 AMReply #8

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2016, 07:36:30 AM »
A little different but its still the same premise of episode four in the terms of finding out there is a super weapon, being captured and taken aboard, having people come rescue you, and blowing it up (nearly). For me I would've kept the same cast and characters from TFA, and changed it to them fighting the first order with out any sort of super weapon, just with a massive fleet.

I'll admit I got lazy and threw in a super-weapon, as well as following some basic plot structure of Ep 4, however I felt that it could have worked because my version wasn't a Death Star 3 but intended to be a cheap thrown-together imitation, the best those guys could do with what they had. The thing about Ep 4, Ep 6, Ep 1, and Ep 7 is that they all rely on a final battle of insurmountable odds going in the antagonists' favour until the protagonists hit a single critical weak-spot. Sure, we've seen it before that many times, but it's a story-telling technique that is convenient and works. The problem with having a huge fleet is what you do with it: do you have it defeated by taking out its command? Do you have it defeated by being outnumbered? Do you have the fleet destroyed/crippled before it even enters battle?

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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2016, 08:24:23 PM »
Ahhhhhh  I've waited to tell you all my idea.

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                                    THE GALAXY IS IN CHAOS. Following the death of the Emperor and Darth Vader the Empire has fragmented with Inquistors and  Rouge Admirals laying claim to territory. However the New Republic has manage to take back most core worlds and are  rulers of the galaxy. Luke Skywalker has vanish in hopes of establishing the Jedi order away form the War. However dark forces are moving and preparing to make a power grab. After Recieveing a mysterious message the star destroyer *Demolition* is caught in a battle with Former imperial-turned-warlord Admiral Trigit and Forces of The NR. Fearing the worst the Captain has order his Elite Storm troopers to investigate what is going down on the planet ilum so they can flee.

We open up with a three way battle between the IR, A imperial Warlord, and a NR fleet. We find a lamba shuttle has been shot down with a squad of Elite stormtroopers, and a smuggler who was arrested for theft of a tie bomber. They crash land on a icy planet(Ilum) and are forced to hunker in a cave. Inside they find a old imperial communications station. Once inside they find a data tape left by Grand Admiral Thrawn. Thrawn talks about a army of inquisitors which are preparing to use a ancient force weapon to bully his forces into sub mission. they already have control of three imperial  warlord fleets and are preparing to launch all out assault. Thrawn states the only warlords who have align with him are Moff Kaine and Teradoc brothers and he is sending this to this station in hopes any imperials are willing to help. the imperials find a aquiten that had been left by the fleeing imperial forces of the station and set off to find "The lost Grand Admiral". They regroup with the *Demolition* to hunt for Thrawn. We learn later as the Captain brief his stormtroopers that the NR is executing Imperial civilians in the streets as a intimidation tactic and many of their families are aboard the *demolition*. As they Fly to the location of the trans mission they find Abandon Imperial weapons Facility or so they think. The Encounter Royal Guards and after a brief skirmish learn that they are guardian old imperial WMDs and Light sabers. they unite with the Royal guards and proceed to journey to another location after seeing another transmission sayin that they need to journey to meet Trueten Teradoc at centares . once there they meet teradoc and see his fleet of CVSDs and he takes them to Thrawn but they are attack by inquisitors who have built a force battle station where they channel a special force energy and Yavin 4. The Station itself drains a planets force energy to increase the force in the inquisitors. They Eventually infiltrate this station using Thrawn's cloaking technology and teradocs CVsDs and sabotage the darksiders weapon while stealing a valuable Datacron.

In the end we see Thrawn Talking with The Smuggler and the Storm troopers and we learn that it detail the last location of the jedi order and they must find it since Thrawn theorizes luke might know how to stop force users better than he does
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2016, 12:48:35 PM »
so, tell me what you think, but here is mine.

following the battle of endor, we see a 20 year period of war between the New Republic, Imperial Remnant, the Sith, and the Warlords. after 15 years, it seems to calm down, and the new republic settles down with 50% of the galaxy and Coruscant, and not much changes for the next 5 years.

episode 7: Shadow of the Vong.
starts with a new conflict with the new republic and Sander Delvardus's EA, when Luke Skywalker receives a premonition of a galaxy of darkness. distressed, he tells Leia, Han, Mara Jade(his wife for 15 years), and the 4 children, Jacen and Jaina(18 year old twins), Anakin(15), and Ben(13). while there, they all receive a message that an outer rim patrol had just been obliterated. when they go to investigate, the run into the Vong, a living technology wielding alien species with a massive army. as they escape, they return to Coruscant to tell the Jedi and the Republic. when they get back, they find out that a massive invasion has happened to the entire galaxy: the Yuuzhan Vong are pushing on a massive front. after planning an attack and receiving news of an enormous fleet preparing to attack the IR. joining in an alliance with them, the so called Galactic Alliance attacks, and sacrifices the Lusankya to destroy the massive capital ship at the middle of the enemy fleet. the fleet is obliterated, the Vong retreat temporarily, and the galaxy celebrates on their victory, but knowing the Vong will return, the Galactic alliance grows to include all of the warlords an indepent factions as well, an Viscount is commissioned, signaling the beginning of the counter offensive.

so, again, tell me what you think. if you think it's not good, i'm telling you now it was a rush job, but I can fix it later
do you know what really makes me mad? that the NR didn't make as many different SSDs as the empire. they would have won much faster had they done so. it's just not fair. but, if their were more NR SSDs, they would be absolute SUPER-CARRIERS.

but, i'm a member of the PA at heart, and my wish here is to join the ranks of grand admirals... sorry, the elite imperial alignment

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2016, 06:55:39 AM »
The base story would be good, but it is kinda TFA faulty, meaning it is a ripoff. Too much EU stuff in it.
I would rather see something not seen before. something entirely new or at least only using minimal eu basis. The way I did with mine. 1 character and an altered version of a battle appeared, all the other is something new or based on something else, but with a new way of implementing it, altering it a bunch.
though I admit, it would be quite entertaining.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2016, 08:09:03 AM »
it was a rush job, but the rest of the 4 movie series doesn't quite follow the same path
do you know what really makes me mad? that the NR didn't make as many different SSDs as the empire. they would have won much faster had they done so. it's just not fair. but, if their were more NR SSDs, they would be absolute SUPER-CARRIERS.

but, i'm a member of the PA at heart, and my wish here is to join the ranks of grand admirals... sorry, the elite imperial alignment

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2016, 09:22:37 AM »
it was a rush job, but the rest of the 4 movie series doesn't quite follow the same path
ok, if we count R1, then 1 movie down. but how do you know it from the next 3?
and the fact that a movie is not a rush job doesn't mean it is good
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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2017, 07:59:10 PM »
A multi million high-budget adaptation of The Glove of Darth Vader, just for the reaction it would cause alone.

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Re: How would YOU have done Episode 7 and the lead up to it?
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2017, 08:56:07 PM »
A multi million high-budget adaptation of The Glove of Darth Vader, just for the reaction it would cause alone.

That would be hilarious.
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