Rebellion/NR Vs Empire/IR which would you live under?

[Pali]

That's a bit of an oversimplification, though, don't you think?... I'm sorry for my tone, but I don't think it's fair of you to say so. I certainly do not identify myself with the racial prejudices of the Empire, and it never was amongst my reasoning to "root" for them.

I think you may need to read what I posted more closely.  I said if you are rooting for the humans just because they are humans, despite them being slavers, then you are rooting for the wrong side (for bad reasons was the intended implication).  I did not say anyone here was doing so, I was simply responding to a suggested reason that people might be identifying with the Empire.

Now, do I think that rooting for the Empire is rooting for the racist slavers?  Yes, because the Empire was objectively a state that enslaved along racial lines - this is a fact so far as the fiction goes.  There are certainly plenty of other aspects to the Empire, but racism and slavery are part and parcel of what it was.  I'm not saying anyone is rooting for the Empire because of the racism and slavery, but I do find it disturbing how those two aspects seem to be acceptable in the name of stability and order for some.

[rednax]

Agreed, I would be fine with living in a slightly less stable state that I agree with morally, no slavery, little racism, freedom of speech and democracy. I'm not about to give up what i believe in for a more 'stable' government.

On another note is the empire really that stable? Once the emperor was kill 95% of the empire was lost to petty warlords and rebels in just 15 years. Even if he wasn't killed by the rebellion his reign would have ended eventually (even with clone bodys)

[Grand Admiral Rufaan Tigellinus]

I think you may need to read what I posted more closely.  I said if you are rooting for the humans just because they are humans, despite them being slavers, then you are rooting for the wrong side (for bad reasons was the intended implication).  I did not say anyone here was doing so, I was simply responding to a suggested reason that people might be identifying with the Empire.

Now, do I think that rooting for the Empire is rooting for the racist slavers?  Yes, because the Empire was objectively a state that enslaved along racial lines - this is a fact so far as the fiction goes.  There are certainly plenty of other aspects to the Empire, but racism and slavery are part and parcel of what it was.  I'm not saying anyone is rooting for the Empire because of the racism and slavery, but I do find it disturbing how those two aspects seem to be acceptable in the name of stability and order for some.

Fair enough, I apologize again, I didn't mean to be rude. Well, when it comes to "rooting", I personally root for the Imperial Remnant under Pellaeon, with no racism and slavery (I think I said it already at the beginning of this thread). That's a regime I would be proudly loyal to. The thing about the Empire that I always found acceptable was its military might and willingness to protect its citizens at all times (as long as those citizens are human, regrettably, I admit). WarlordOfWildSpace was right when he said that people lean towards the Empire partly because of its humanocentrism. I do not condone it, and agree that such prejudice is definitely appalling, however, maybe it was indeed a starting point for my acknowledgement of the Empire, I'm not afraid to admit it. It's still much more than that, but I don't really want to continue the discussion in this thread, since I already said everything there was to say earlier, in my two large posts that were barely commented upon. I still do not agree entirely with your position, but I respect it, and due to aforementioned reasons I will not comment in this thread any further (unless someone posts something completely ridiculous, but I'll still try to ignore it). Regardless, it was quite interesting talking to you, so I thank you for your time, and have a great day!

[Pali]

The post I lost earlier would've gone through your last big post almost point for point, but my iPad has problems with this site and lost it - often the chatbox won't show, and sometimes the formatting for the entire site is wrong.  I think it was trying to stay "current" with the chatbox.

I tend to agree that this thread has run its course.  Fun chatting with you all.

[The Fist Of Justice]

Where my true loyalties will always lie, the Empire.

Besides, that's my only shot at commanding an Executor-Class.