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Star Wars Discussion / Re: A WHAT IF scenario. Yuuzhan Vong vs Galactic Empire(Rebellion never happened)
« on: May 17, 2011, 08:00:11 PM »
I see your points. Very well thought out.
1. True, there may yet have been a rebellion. However it would have been much smaller I believe. For instance Bel Iblis, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma would not have been there to lead. the mission to rescue Ackbar might never have occurred. It's possible the mirade factions of discontent might never have been able to unify into the Rebel Alliance but waged separate wars on their own, limiting effectiveness.
2. The Yevetha would undoubtedly have revolted. However the only reason they were able to overrun the shipyards was because most of the fleet and personnel were transferred to deal with the Rebellion. Nil Spaar even remarks had the one Victory Class Star Destroyer that had been left to guard the place still been there the revolt would have been immensely more difficult and prone to failure. There was nothing more than a skeleton crew manning the ships and yards. Were it not for Isards mismanagement of the War and the Imperial Warlords stripping dwindling resources the shipyards would have been under full guard.
3. Yes Palpatine's deal with the Ssi-Ruu would have given them large amounts of lives to Intech, however considering how easily the Imperium was crushed by the Chiss and NR I feel that Palpatine was just using and them long enough to get their tech and then leave them to their fate, enslave them like the Yevetha or wipe them out. yes it would have convinced the Yuuzhan Vong to fight much harder against the Intechment forces Palpatine would have brought to bear.
4. The Imperial Fleet was built for Large scale battles. It was meant to be an overwhelming unified power to match other power. It DID deal very well with the Rebellion until Palpatine's death at Endor, having chased them all over the Galaxy and with the exception of Yavin 4 and a very few others almost every battle was won by the Imperial Star Fleet until Endor. What beat the Empire and allowed the NR to take the Galaxy was the death of Palpatine which opened a power vacuum and unleashed all the ambition and ruthless greed that allowed Palpatine to control the Empire. His Darkness was the HEART of the Empire and it's binding will too. With him gone the Warlordism, defections, infighting, mismanagement and power struggles that were in most senior imperial officers and Moffs erupted because they no longer had to fear the Emperor. As for the TIE fighters, they were the first line, meant to overwhelm not over qualify. They would have been cannon fodder for the Vong true, but would the TIE Hunters, TIE Avengers, TIE X1s, TIE Defenders, TIE Phantoms, and TIE Droid fighters been poor matches for Vong coral skippers? I think not.
5. Actually Palpatine and tarkin both had planned for a fleet of Death Stars and Super Weapons all the way back when Tarkin first built Maw Installation. Think about it. The Death Star is meant to destroy planets. The second was meant to fry capital ships and planets. What would a Death Star Superlaser do to a Vong Worldship? Also The Galaxy Gun, Luke even mentions in one of the NJO books that, "At the time, the Galaxy Gun was the most destructive weapon we'd ever seen. But I wish we had it now. We could blast those Yuuzhan Vong worldships right out of the sky." And the Sun Crusher? Ridiculous though it was, it could annihilate entire SYSTEMS. The Emperor wouldn't have hesitated to wipe out a few of his subject worlds to get what he wanted. The World Devastators were meant to consume everything in their paths, Vong mataloks would have been like breakfast to them. The Eclipse and Eclipse II as well as the Sovereign class SSDs all had mass weaponry and superlasers that could kill SSDs. I'm not a fan of the Superweapon concept myself, I prefer Thrawn's method of strategy, it's more refined and artistic. however the Superweapons would have been a daunting foe. However the Empire does seem to love building them with a fatal flaw to be sure. So Han's statement would most likely have been correct.
6. Battle meditation influenced HIS troops improving coordination and will to fight making them more fanatical and efficient. It didn't effect the other side as much, though some Sith masters(Sidious included) could also instill fear and confusion on enemies at the same time, which would NOT have had any effect on the Vong.
I'm not saying it would have been a cake walk, but I think they would have done better than the bumbling NR would have. NRs mismanagement of the war was ludicrous. It would have been something to see no doubt.
1. True, there may yet have been a rebellion. However it would have been much smaller I believe. For instance Bel Iblis, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma would not have been there to lead. the mission to rescue Ackbar might never have occurred. It's possible the mirade factions of discontent might never have been able to unify into the Rebel Alliance but waged separate wars on their own, limiting effectiveness.
2. The Yevetha would undoubtedly have revolted. However the only reason they were able to overrun the shipyards was because most of the fleet and personnel were transferred to deal with the Rebellion. Nil Spaar even remarks had the one Victory Class Star Destroyer that had been left to guard the place still been there the revolt would have been immensely more difficult and prone to failure. There was nothing more than a skeleton crew manning the ships and yards. Were it not for Isards mismanagement of the War and the Imperial Warlords stripping dwindling resources the shipyards would have been under full guard.
3. Yes Palpatine's deal with the Ssi-Ruu would have given them large amounts of lives to Intech, however considering how easily the Imperium was crushed by the Chiss and NR I feel that Palpatine was just using and them long enough to get their tech and then leave them to their fate, enslave them like the Yevetha or wipe them out. yes it would have convinced the Yuuzhan Vong to fight much harder against the Intechment forces Palpatine would have brought to bear.
4. The Imperial Fleet was built for Large scale battles. It was meant to be an overwhelming unified power to match other power. It DID deal very well with the Rebellion until Palpatine's death at Endor, having chased them all over the Galaxy and with the exception of Yavin 4 and a very few others almost every battle was won by the Imperial Star Fleet until Endor. What beat the Empire and allowed the NR to take the Galaxy was the death of Palpatine which opened a power vacuum and unleashed all the ambition and ruthless greed that allowed Palpatine to control the Empire. His Darkness was the HEART of the Empire and it's binding will too. With him gone the Warlordism, defections, infighting, mismanagement and power struggles that were in most senior imperial officers and Moffs erupted because they no longer had to fear the Emperor. As for the TIE fighters, they were the first line, meant to overwhelm not over qualify. They would have been cannon fodder for the Vong true, but would the TIE Hunters, TIE Avengers, TIE X1s, TIE Defenders, TIE Phantoms, and TIE Droid fighters been poor matches for Vong coral skippers? I think not.
5. Actually Palpatine and tarkin both had planned for a fleet of Death Stars and Super Weapons all the way back when Tarkin first built Maw Installation. Think about it. The Death Star is meant to destroy planets. The second was meant to fry capital ships and planets. What would a Death Star Superlaser do to a Vong Worldship? Also The Galaxy Gun, Luke even mentions in one of the NJO books that, "At the time, the Galaxy Gun was the most destructive weapon we'd ever seen. But I wish we had it now. We could blast those Yuuzhan Vong worldships right out of the sky." And the Sun Crusher? Ridiculous though it was, it could annihilate entire SYSTEMS. The Emperor wouldn't have hesitated to wipe out a few of his subject worlds to get what he wanted. The World Devastators were meant to consume everything in their paths, Vong mataloks would have been like breakfast to them. The Eclipse and Eclipse II as well as the Sovereign class SSDs all had mass weaponry and superlasers that could kill SSDs. I'm not a fan of the Superweapon concept myself, I prefer Thrawn's method of strategy, it's more refined and artistic. however the Superweapons would have been a daunting foe. However the Empire does seem to love building them with a fatal flaw to be sure. So Han's statement would most likely have been correct.
6. Battle meditation influenced HIS troops improving coordination and will to fight making them more fanatical and efficient. It didn't effect the other side as much, though some Sith masters(Sidious included) could also instill fear and confusion on enemies at the same time, which would NOT have had any effect on the Vong.
I'm not saying it would have been a cake walk, but I think they would have done better than the bumbling NR would have. NRs mismanagement of the war was ludicrous. It would have been something to see no doubt.