Thrawn's Revenge

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Title: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on August 30, 2007, 03:17:50 PM
When do you think that USA will fall and loose it's position as super power?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: sarcronis on August 30, 2007, 05:26:46 PM
It will never fall!
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 07:56:21 PM
Within this century, maybe even next 50 years.

It won't crumble, it will just be reduced to France, England, or Germany status.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on August 30, 2007, 08:08:43 PM
But by what? Probably not another countries millitary power, We're the country that NEEDS medication...See now, We nuked Japan and then said "We're Sorry".

Most likely it will collapse upon itself.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on August 30, 2007, 08:25:49 PM
i think it will "die" within 20 years with a second civil war over some debate that is inevitable through democracy
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on August 30, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
Probably cause Bush's steak wasnt still Moo'ing or something Childish.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 08:35:35 PM
I think our economic problems and military over-extension will cause us problems in the long run.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 30, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
Now would be a good time for a smiley shaking his head in disappointment.  You guys need to stop complaining about the USA. Its the most democratic country in the world. It has the most freedom and all you do is whine and complain about "Bush this, Bush that," "Iraq this, Iraq that." The USA will never fall as long as it is free.


I think our economic problems and military over-extension will cause us problems in the long run.


Our military "over- extension is better than nothing. If we had never gone to Iraq or Viet Nam and the like you would all be complaining that we did nothing.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 30, 2007, 08:41:22 PM
I seriously doubt America will die off any time soon, politicians come and go, wars come and go, but the US is just too strong to die off any time soon
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on August 30, 2007, 08:42:17 PM
Im with you my brothers. A military can not be too powerful as long as we maintain control, and if a lib is elected then we wont maintain control.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 08:44:10 PM
We should have helped vietnam be a democratic nation when they asked for our help against the French, not let it fall to the soviets. The vietnam war was also something we should not have done. We supported a dictatorship against another one, the only thing in it for us was the guy we were helping was for a free market, not communism.

We also should not have gone into Iraq. Period, frankly Iraq wasn't a problem after the first gulf war and the time Clinton bombed it.

Sorry, just defending the accusation, now back on topic.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on August 30, 2007, 08:46:44 PM
What accusation?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 08:48:42 PM
Our military "over- extension is better than nothing. If we had never gone to Iraq or Viet Nam and the like you would all be complaining that we did nothing.

That one.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 30, 2007, 08:49:38 PM
Hes right though, most the people that complain about going would be complaining about not going
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 30, 2007, 08:51:31 PM
If that was US bombing youve got alot to learn. If we wanted to (Im not saying we should), we could annhilate Iraq and most other countries within one week without nukes. That was basically a "Please dont hurt me." Bombing is like London in WWII.


Our military "over- extension is better than nothing. If we had never gone to Iraq or Viet Nam and the like you would all be complaining that we did nothing.

That one.




I meant to put in (not so much Viet Nam).



Hes right though, most the people that complain about going would be complaining about not going


Thanks.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 09:00:01 PM
In what position are you to tell me or other people against the wars what they would think? There are so many people that said NO before each war but for the most part people didn't care enough to really speak out.

Do any of you think American will fall from it's position as #1, or do you guys really think that the US will stay the most powerful nation in the world indefinitely?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on August 30, 2007, 09:08:07 PM
Hes right though, most the people that complain about going would be complaining about not going

Liberals and left wings always have to complain. If Gore or Kerry had been elected theyd be doin the macarena. If they lose an election they will complain about whatever the right wing is doing.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 09:09:25 PM
And the right is any different?

You just see us as whining because it's not your point of view, I'm sure you'd see your complaints of Obama, Edwards, or Hillary as perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on August 30, 2007, 09:12:51 PM
Yeah i have my complaints, but i wouldnt call them evil and curse them and root for the oppposing side if they enter a war.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 09:18:42 PM
Lol, we're not rooting for the opposing side. I want our troops home from Iraq, we're putting their dedication to waste. I hate to say it but George Bush is putting our resources and to waste while loosing the support of the world.

You would criticize Bill Clinton for cheating on his wife, but not George Bush for getting us into a war without a victory plan?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 30, 2007, 09:38:38 PM
What do you mean putting their dedication to waste? Its theire job to fight, they are the army, and i know soldiers that volunteer to go to Iraq
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 30, 2007, 09:48:38 PM
There are so many that volunteer and Iraq wasn't a threat, now many are disillusioned, several thousand are dead or injured, and many more are tired and over-worked!
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 30, 2007, 09:50:42 PM
No, i know people that volunteered to go 3 months ago
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: sarcronis on August 30, 2007, 09:54:29 PM
Although we may have gone in there for the wrong reason, nukes, Saddam needed to be taken out, and the Iraqi people still need the U.S. troops.  Not only to fight, but to rebuild after Saddam's reign.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on August 30, 2007, 10:56:53 PM
The people you know are not everyone, the military has had trouble reaching its recruitment goals ever since major combat operations "ended."

Sorry, for some reason I mistook Noret for Nezill and merged the posts....-Arbiter

another point: do to the Iraq "war" America has lost several allies and world support, America will fall and if it continues its current path it will do so soon and its not necessarily #1 anymore china could probably beat the U.S. if it tried, and remember MAD is still pretty much still here
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 30, 2007, 11:19:17 PM
It wont fall, whos threatening the US?

And i doubt China could win, it doesnt have the logistics to beat America, sure they have a gazillion troops, but they cant get them over here
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on August 31, 2007, 02:20:52 AM
We might die cause we complained about how Immortal we are...

I mean, You cant put any innuendo on TV without a Concerned-Mentopause House Wife bitching about it.

America, as well as being the Fattest, also contains the Whiniest, bitchiest people around...For Example, A few of them are on this Forum...You know who you are.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on August 31, 2007, 07:37:32 AM
Lot's of post after my last vist. USA will fall someday. but I doubt it will be within the next 100-150 years. And by fall I mean that it will keep it's area and it's 51 states or how many there are. unless some of them break away. And someday their presidential elections are so obviously rigged (they have covered it this far somehow) and the two or more candidates will storm on each others throats. then the decline begins. slowly at first but getting faster all the time it is surpassed by other countries in terms of weapon manpower and money. and one day they will realize that they are nothing and have no power on anything. And that day will come. USA falls. it is INEVITABLE!
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: sarcronis on August 31, 2007, 09:38:50 AM
First off, there is 50 states, and your idea seems to be one of the most plausible I have heard.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 31, 2007, 11:12:34 AM
Unfortuneately Meyers right, at the rate politicians are going, they'll be so stupid they wont be able to add 2+2
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on August 31, 2007, 01:08:51 PM
And to a comment that USA will never fall. Can you give an example of a country that has lasted to this day as the largest, the most powerful country of the world. and I mean a long time.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: sarcronis on August 31, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
I was joking.  And Scarecrow, you mean they know how to add?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 31, 2007, 01:20:08 PM
I meant that they will be so stupid they wont know how to add

And im not saying US will never fall, but most likely when it does, so will everyone else
And the roman empire lasted for 1500 years and it was constantly at war for survival, i see a long road ahead for the US
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on August 31, 2007, 02:18:18 PM
yes but in the time of Roman empire and it's greatness they didn't have weapons of mass-destruction. But still I also see a long road before USA is either destroyed or just reduced to a smaller status (which is more likely). You still have some 1000+ years perhaps. but who knows. I mean there have been lots of wars in the last decades. not big but neither war roman wars after Augustinus came to power. just little border problems. american wars in Afghanistan and Iraq can be counted on this category in my opinion. but just wait long enough and there will be someone who come and beat you.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 31, 2007, 02:28:51 PM
The way i see though, fighting that can threaten a major nation is pretty much over, now that nukes are here, the only possibility of a major nation getting beat other than all out nuclear war, is by major terrorism
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on August 31, 2007, 03:42:32 PM
or by politics or hippies who claim that eating meat is a murder.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: sarcronis on August 31, 2007, 04:32:14 PM
Eating meat isn't murder!!!!  Oh my God!

Just kidding.  Politics will probably destroy the U.S.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on August 31, 2007, 04:40:49 PM
and inflation.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on August 31, 2007, 06:00:05 PM
yes but in the time of Roman empire and it's greatness they didn't have weapons of mass-destruction. But still I also see a long road before USA is either destroyed or just reduced to a smaller status (which is more likely). You still have some 1000+ years perhaps. but who knows. I mean there have been lots of wars in the last decades. not big but neither war roman wars after Augustinus came to power. just little border problems. american wars in Afghanistan and Iraq can be counted on this category in my opinion. but just wait long enough and there will be someone who come and beat you.


1000+ years? maybe i suppose though highly unlikely and at a defenat reduced staus beside mostly reliable sources say it will all end in 2012
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 31, 2007, 06:04:50 PM
Oh yeah, those reliable sources, forgot about those
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on August 31, 2007, 06:15:40 PM
sarcasm i hear?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 31, 2007, 06:55:33 PM
You must remeber the Roman "Empire" became a dictatorship and that is what killed it. For those that beleive in God and/or Jesus, I beleive that this is his nation. Now that Israel has changed (although the Jews are still his people: hence their success).

As long as the US remains truly free, it will survive.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on August 31, 2007, 07:04:20 PM
just because something is a dictatorship doesn't mean your screwed in the long run
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on August 31, 2007, 07:11:14 PM
usually it does.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on August 31, 2007, 07:24:22 PM
Rome like stated lived 1500 years(more than most countries) china has been a dictatorship for thousands of years medieval and Napoleonic period European country went on for hundreds of years, Hawaii had nice dictatorship until American colonists over threw it(shall i continue), you have had that idea put in your brain by American democracy you must look to history
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 31, 2007, 07:29:41 PM
Remember kiddies, the US has only been a superpower for 63 years...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on August 31, 2007, 07:32:13 PM
your point?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 31, 2007, 07:34:16 PM
So what? unless you are saying it has a long road ahead
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on August 31, 2007, 08:19:31 PM
I'm reminding everyone that the US has not been #1 ever since 1776.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on August 31, 2007, 09:04:40 PM
I still dont get your point.....
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 31, 2007, 09:10:13 PM
Does anyone?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 02:35:03 AM
You must remeber the Roman "Empire" became a dictatorship and that is what killed it.

As long as the US remains truly free, it will survive.
Do you have any idea how wrong you are? Roman Empire wasn't destroyed because of "dictatorship" as you say. Dictator was used by romans hundreds of years as a rank that gave one people power above all. His reign lasted for six months. It wasvery common to nominate a dictator when the city was in great danger. Later there was endless civil wars that would have destroyed the Roman Republic if Augustus hadn't taken power. After he was nominated Princeps, the first, he was never made an emperor. Thanks to Augustus and his reforms Rome was allowed to survive the next 400 years. Rome was destroyed by few main factors which are: inflation, barbarian hordes and because of personal problems. Rome WASN'T destroyed because of "dictators" who just ruined everything.

And your precious USA isn't very free at the moment. I think you have already begun your downfall.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 03:57:02 PM
US is pretty damn free, more so than anyone else probably, and what makes you think its on its downfall? Because we're stuck fighting terrorists in Iraq? I've got news for you, the US is way too powerful.
And im not just talkin about military, im talkin economy and such too
You may say "but the US has all that debt, its economy is shit", that wont bring down the country because the American people have money
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 01, 2007, 04:20:06 PM
how are we so free compared to every other western nation?, we not umber powerful we've been stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan for several years and really haven't got anywhere in a few years in both, don't over estimate the power of capitalism *points to unemployment and poverty level*
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kratas on September 01, 2007, 04:48:24 PM
the usa will fall by fat the USA has a lot of fat people many children in usa dont know anything important the usa is crumbling slowly almost unnoticably at the bottom
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 01, 2007, 04:58:16 PM
how is fat going to kill the USA????
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 04:58:38 PM
fattest people on earth live in USA. And you haven't been able to quell a few rebels on Iraq although you are so "superpower". Not very convincing.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kratas on September 01, 2007, 05:01:55 PM
very very true
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 05:07:29 PM
Unemployment isnt that bad, its not getting worse, it fluctuates a percentage or two every few years, if anything its on the decline

And Iraq and Afghanistan isnt really a place to test military might, since they dont really have any objectives except to walk around and wait for them to shoot you
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 01, 2007, 05:08:38 PM
fattest people on earth live in USA. And you haven't been able to quell a few rebels on Iraq although you are so "superpower". Not very convincing.

so? whats that have to do with anything, could any other nation do any better? i doubt it
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 05:10:12 PM
 the trouble in Iraq is that its not a war anymore, its more of security job
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 06:12:27 PM
But american soldiers still die. Can you give me a good reason why american soldiera still fight and die in Iraq? not that I care but I just wonder that why the fuck do you stay there being killed.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kratas on September 01, 2007, 06:26:03 PM
i agree at least uk is pulling out
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
I know this sounds really bad but better a US soldier die than more US civilians
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kratas on September 01, 2007, 06:27:35 PM
isnt that a bit random
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 01, 2007, 06:28:19 PM
I still dont get your point.....

Hes saying that we havent been Number 1 since we were Formed, How dense are you?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 06:32:03 PM
I know this sounds really bad but better a US soldier die than more US civilians
How does the fact that american soldiers die in Iraq help to save american civilians? I don't see a connection there.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 06:32:32 PM
To kalo, i still dont know what that has to do with the fall of the US

And to Meyer the terrorists over in Iraq and such are too busy hiding and shooting US troops to be able to hit the US itself
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 06:35:07 PM
I seriously doubt that any of those so called "terrorists" in Iraq would be able to hit USA. And if they could it would mean that your homeland security sucks. and for the use of word terrorist, you have to realize that to people in Iraq you are the terrorist.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 06:37:21 PM
No, they have hit the US before, they could do it again

And to the people of Iraq we arent terrorists, we dont go around blowing them up and killing civilians, they do a good enough job of that themselves
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 01, 2007, 06:38:16 PM
Excuse me Meyer? If they hit you then YOUR Homeland sucks, No ones perfect, thats why they call it a Sneak Attack...

And if we attacked you we can say you suck HAHA.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 06:40:54 PM
now that you have destroyed their country and it's social structure. Would those people be able to blow themselves if you hadn't brought down saddams government? there wasn't daily bomb strikes back on those days. And Iraq has never made an terrorist attack on USA. or if it has when and where? And why would Iraq strike on Finland Kalo? you can say we suck even now if you want to.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 06:42:40 PM
No, they werent blowing themselves up before, Saddam was just murdering his own people without explosives
Iraq maybe hasnt made an attack, but the terrorists that were in Iraq did
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 06:44:39 PM
No, they have hit the US before, they could do it again

those were you're words. and now you say that Iraq hasn't attacked USA. confusing. And in the time of saddams rule how can you know what he did? And don't give that crap that you wanted to help the people of Iraq because it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 01, 2007, 06:48:31 PM
Just cause we destroyed what WE think is there Frame of Power doesnt mean they cant attack us Dumbass.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 01, 2007, 06:49:23 PM
how can they attack you? you can't stop a single terrorist sell to attack you just because you fight in Iraq!
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 01, 2007, 06:52:10 PM
Jesus, its apparently working isnt it?

And i know what Saddam did because he was executed for it

And stop accussing me for what America did, i had nothing to do with it, im not saying Bush went there for the Iraqi people, he went there for the US of A and im fine with that
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 01, 2007, 06:53:10 PM
As if that post made any sense....

They can, Maybe its hard for YOU to understand it, What made you think they could attack us before 911? Theres many ways to get past Security...Or do they not teach that in Finland? Either way this Topic is getting out of hand, Locked.

I'M SORRY NORET, I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW AWESOME I AM.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 01, 2007, 09:18:45 PM
how did he go for the US of A they posed no threat
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on September 01, 2007, 09:24:45 PM
He means that he went to stop attacks on the motherland. I agree with that but we are staying for the iraqi people. Speasking of which, if you think we are doing a bad job in Iraq then go ask the Iraqi people and their government who are extremely greatful.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 01, 2007, 09:26:13 PM
oh? you didnt hear that the prime minister wants us out? and if they like us so much why do they shoot at us?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Corey on September 01, 2007, 09:31:03 PM
He means that he went to stop attacks on the motherland. I agree with that but we are staying for the iraqi people. Speasking of which, if you think we are doing a bad job in Iraq then go ask the Iraqi people and their government who are extremely greatful.


Except for the fact that there have been a greater number of attacks as the years go on and the lives of Iraqis got worse since then as well? Yeah, I bet you're right. They're real happy.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on September 01, 2007, 09:34:31 PM
Yep, your carcasm doesnt phase me. We got those dang terrorists out.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Corey on September 01, 2007, 09:35:32 PM
How am I being sarcastic? Have you not actually read anything on the damn war?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 01, 2007, 09:37:24 PM
Yep, your carcasm doesnt phase me. We got those dang terrorists out.

we did? then why are we still there?(why do i keep hiting the modify button?)
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Raptor on September 01, 2007, 09:41:56 PM
Out of their government.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 01, 2007, 09:46:54 PM
saddam was no terrorist and if anything there are more in the government now then before
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 02, 2007, 02:05:25 AM
He was a damn Terrorist, he was killing his people off.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 02, 2007, 03:28:11 AM
So are you. death sentece is still in use in USA. And why don't you pull your forces out in Iraq? If you would leave now the country would fall in such a chaos that there would be no change in hell for them to concentrate doing terrorist attacks anywhere on the world. And american forces in Iraq doesn't stop terrorist attacks, by staying in Iraq you incourage them to kill themselves for freedom and Allah. You are helping them to justify their attacks. have you ever though of that?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 02, 2007, 01:29:45 PM
Oh, So the guy that Rapes and kills his Family and kills his next door Neighbor doesnt deserve to die for his Actions?

Yeah, I've thought of that.

Have you ever asked a Soldier who went there what they thought of it? I have, Said he'd go back in a heartbeat, He said he knew what he was doing and it WAS the right thing to do.

And if we leave we might just make them think they're winning, Ever think of that?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 02, 2007, 01:53:40 PM
but the war is over. and you won it. Bush said it on his speech. Bringing back your troops to home would proove that you have the guts to pull back. But you just don't have the guts to do it. you are afraid. And I think that not so many soldier would go there in the first place. and if they come to home I doubt they would want to go back to Iraq. some propably would want to but I think they are the minority. if Finland would join NATO and send troops to Iraq I would propably volunteer to go there.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 02, 2007, 04:32:00 PM
I am afraid? Excuse me? maybe you should word yourself a bit better, I'm not afraid of shit...And you DO NOT know anything, Go ask an Army guy like i have, i have asked around 7 if they'd go back and they said In a Heart Beat, You know nothing.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on September 03, 2007, 02:49:15 AM
We haven't been invaded by aliens so apparently SETA must be working, right?

You can't make a reasonable correlation between us not getting attacked, and us invading Iraq.

Jesus, its apparently working isnt it?

And i know what Saddam did because he was executed for it

And stop accussing me for what America did, i had nothing to do with it, im not saying Bush went there for the Iraqi people, he went there for the US of A and im fine with that
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 03, 2007, 05:53:43 AM
I am afraid? Excuse me? maybe you should word yourself a bit better, I'm not afraid of shit...And you DO NOT know anything, Go ask an Army guy like i have, i have asked around 7 if they'd go back and they said In a Heart Beat, You know nothing.
you in my post refers to USA a hole. and as I said those wanting back is very likely the minority. And you said if you pull back you can't be attacked. that means you must be afraid of this possible but very unlikely attack.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 04, 2007, 01:58:39 AM
Do not put words in my mouth, I have not said this once Moron.

Why would i be afraid? you think i was afraid on Sept 11? No i wasnt, Infact now i think of it, it was a day like any other.

Possible Attack? anything is possible.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on September 05, 2007, 12:02:41 AM
however i believe that the entire iraq war should have ended when Husein was hung and kalo don't give our bold country a bad face to be frowned upon and the way your acting makes you sound like a moron.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 05, 2007, 12:19:10 AM
Do not put words in my mouth, I have not said this once Moron.

Why would i be afraid? you think i was afraid on Sept 11? No i wasnt, Infact now i think of it, it was a day like any other.

Possible Attack? anything is possible.
as I said earlier with the word "you" in my post I meant all american people. not just you! so who is the moron? if 9/11 was just like anyother day then why you always make so big deal of it?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 05, 2007, 06:56:44 PM
Then if you dont mean him Meyer, dont say you
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 06, 2007, 01:02:58 AM
well most in here are americans so I refer to their nationality. and you should be able to understand that if I speak that "you should pull back from Iraq" that I don't mean anyone on here. because no one in here is in the Iraq. understand the context.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 06, 2007, 03:24:30 PM
Its still not good to refer to people by their 'nationality', i doubt most americans agree whith what happens in the stupid political world
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on September 06, 2007, 10:37:35 PM
Regardless, we're responsible to some degree.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 07, 2007, 01:07:39 AM
yep. you should make it more obvious. now there are only some hippie groups openly against the war and occupation of Iraq.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 07, 2007, 08:13:37 AM
Cause nobody likes hippies
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 07, 2007, 10:51:29 AM
true. I hope more americans who aren't hippies would show it openly that they are against the war.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 07, 2007, 03:09:26 PM
Im okay with some war
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 07, 2007, 03:34:22 PM
are you okay with the war in Iraq? the war which usa will eventually lose.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Slornie on September 07, 2007, 04:50:20 PM
Well, its now turned into a war that can't be 'won' in the traditional sense.. since the aim is to set up a democratic government and a national security force capable of maintaining order in its own country, neither of which can be 'won' by killing the enemy.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 07, 2007, 05:58:12 PM
Yeah, when looking at it in a traditional sense, we already won, but we cant really win or lose now
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Slornie on September 07, 2007, 06:29:22 PM
If the US pulled out now and left Iraq in its current situation (with the security issues, etc) they would lose face in the international community, since it would be seen to be running away from a 'problem' that they caused.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 07, 2007, 06:58:51 PM
they still wouldnt have lost the war though, just hurt their outlook or whatever
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Corey on September 07, 2007, 07:12:30 PM
What, exactly, would win the war?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 07, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
Im saying from the traditional military sense, the war is won, now they're dealing with the remaining guerillas
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on September 07, 2007, 09:38:31 PM
What face do we have to lose?

And to the hippie comment by meyer: I highly doubt that the 2/3 of American citizens against the war are ALL hippies.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 07, 2007, 09:41:20 PM
I doubt 10% of them are
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 08, 2007, 02:31:00 AM
well you have to realize that all I see in news pictures are hippies. I know that those pictures don't represent everyone who is against the war but they give you a picture that everyone who is against is a hippie.

And how would usa lose it's face by pulling out from iraq? in my opinion it would show that usa has the guts to admit that there is no point taking further casualties in a war that has no victor, only those how lose the least. besides I'm pretty sure that if american and it's allie troops would pull back most of the attacks would stop. Now that american forces stay in there I think they must be out of their mind. what's the point of staying in there? What does usa get from having it's soldiers killed in peace time in a foreign country where they are not welcome?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Slornie on September 08, 2007, 06:44:59 AM
Iraq's security force isnt in a position to take full control at the moment, so if the multinational force left now (and it is multinational, lets not forget there are other countries with soldiers deployed in Iraq), they would be leaving a kind of security vacuum, which could result in an increase in unrest rather than a decrease (although any attacks would not be directed at the multinational force).

Yes, it is true that the multinational forces are becoming less appreciated by the Iraqi people, but it isnt the average civilian performing the attacks, and the Iraqi government wants the multinational force to remain for the time being.

Isnt it better to let the military leaders on the ground in Iraq decide when the time is right to leave, since they are in a better position to understand the situation?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 08, 2007, 11:42:19 AM
yes. but I think that if the multinational force would leave now and then there would be those unrests you mention, Slornie, it would be all the same for usa. in anycase the terrorist would be too busy to strike on usa itself. and I would rather have 1000 terrorist/iraq "freedom fighter" dead than 1 american or any other soldier from those multinational forces in there.

And how about returning to topic? It seems that everytime there is a conversation about politics and USA, we somehow end up talking should usa and others pull their focrces out of Iraq.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on September 08, 2007, 11:06:24 PM
Magnet topic!
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on September 09, 2007, 06:50:13 PM
i do so belive tyhat usa will fall the same way as communist russia
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 09, 2007, 06:55:50 PM
I think thats probably impossible, the US is nothing like communist Russia
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on September 09, 2007, 06:56:24 PM
o yes they are just a differt type of government
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 09, 2007, 06:57:01 PM
give me something that they have in common then
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on September 09, 2007, 06:58:33 PM
bush is just like stailin might as be the same person

and look at the amount of corruption and a totaly janked leagal system 
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 09, 2007, 06:59:42 PM
Are you kidding? Bush is nothing like Stalin, does Bush go around murdering millions of his own people? Or how bout killing other members of the government to stay in power
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 09, 2007, 10:41:46 PM
oh really?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on September 09, 2007, 11:42:49 PM
(http://netninja.com/images/lj/ya_rly.jpg)
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 10, 2007, 12:42:02 AM
Only thing similar I can think of is the corruption. I mean everyone knows there was a lot of corruption in Soviet Union. And it is pretty obvious that USA has it very much. Presidential Elections is perhaps the best example.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 10, 2007, 11:56:13 AM
Dude, Meyer you need to chill out with the conspiracy stuff

And corruption is unfortuneately a part of every government, just a flaw of human nature
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 10, 2007, 01:05:26 PM
conspiracy? what conspiracy stuff? and there is no corrupiton in our government anymore. we got rid of those stupid hillbillies AKA keskusta.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: junot on September 10, 2007, 01:52:53 PM
but i bet you there is still some corruption somewhere....no government is fully devoid of corruption it is human nature
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 10, 2007, 03:10:57 PM
The conspiracy stuff is you thinking the presidential election is rigged

And no matter how hard you try, there will always be corruption, even though its not very influential
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 10, 2007, 06:34:42 PM
oh really?(blames english teacher)
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 11, 2007, 12:27:34 AM
well luckily, if there is corruption in our government it is very small. And what kind of an corruption are we speaking?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: junot on September 11, 2007, 02:16:17 PM
it doesnt matter what type of corruption corruption is corruption either way...no matter how much u say there is no corruption there is always some
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 12, 2007, 12:23:51 AM
and thank god for that!
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 12, 2007, 03:13:50 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 12, 2007, 03:23:09 PM
With corruption I will someday take control of Finland and turn it to a military might that destroys Russia.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 12, 2007, 03:25:25 PM
And you get mad at the US for Iraq? wow
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 12, 2007, 03:28:35 PM
At least we have a reason: they slaved us for century. and then those bastards attacked us twice without reason. But maybe we should attack sweden before russia. we could use them as slaves. and that would be war we couldn't lose.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 12, 2007, 03:29:45 PM
Someone needs to see a therapist
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 12, 2007, 03:30:41 PM
bah. they just drug you.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 12, 2007, 03:33:08 PM
You're right, you need to see the men in white coats, they'll send you to a nice padded room
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 12, 2007, 03:34:40 PM
as long as they feed me I don't mind. what most people don't realize is that life is too short for fighting and killing. You should just eat and drink and sleep. simple plesures easily accomplished. but now we have come a bit far from our topic.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 12, 2007, 03:36:11 PM
And if the US ever falls, its cause people have started to enjoy the eating one a little too much
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 12, 2007, 03:37:36 PM
eating good food is one of the best thing in the world.

Yahoo I finely found a copy of Allegiance from one of our city libraries. I hope it comes to me soon.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Nezill on September 12, 2007, 09:49:31 PM
Eating food is good for the economy.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 12, 2007, 10:07:35 PM
Sure, for Mcdonalds, not so much for the cosumer who weighs 3000 pounds
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 13, 2007, 12:46:16 AM
well you can exercise after your done eating. Nobody forces you to eat a lot and then just sit on the couch. I eat a lot and I move a lot.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 13, 2007, 12:34:04 PM
but most people dont
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 13, 2007, 01:35:03 PM
luckily I ain't one of them. fatness will be the downfall of USA if they continue to eat like that.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 13, 2007, 03:11:50 PM
It is a problem, but not a big enough one to kill the US off, the problem will be they'll eat out the worlds food supply
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 14, 2007, 12:23:22 AM
well you can always turn to cannibalizing. there is lots of people in Asia: 2/3 of world's poplation.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 14, 2007, 06:20:32 PM
Why go all the way to asia when a fat american is worth 5 asians?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 15, 2007, 02:02:00 AM
good point. USA USA USA!
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 16, 2007, 10:03:45 PM
Well, atleast the fatness will be good for that one thing
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 17, 2007, 12:26:36 AM
there is something good in everything.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 17, 2007, 05:21:22 AM
lol, if only i joined this discussion earlier...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 17, 2007, 05:50:28 AM
why can't you join now?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 17, 2007, 09:09:27 AM
kinda every possible subject related to the topic has been covered...lol. hmmm (trying to think of any left) have nuclear weapons been covered?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 17, 2007, 09:33:40 AM
no. but who would strike in USA with nukes?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 17, 2007, 09:36:52 AM
terrorists.

russian nuclear weapons could easily find their way into the hands of a terrorist group like al-qaeda. obviously, the U.S. will look for a country to blame for this and so will start world war 3 where the only things that will survive are cockroaches and me.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 17, 2007, 09:38:33 AM
why is it impossible for terrorists to get their hands in american made nukes? And why would USA blame russai or anyother country for the act of terrorists.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 17, 2007, 10:08:02 AM
after 9/11 america attacked afghanistan because terrorists were known to be there. same could happen in this scenario. and i chose russian nukes because they are just easier to get hold of at the moment.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 17, 2007, 10:44:48 AM
I'm not so sure. What is an easy way to steal a nuclear weapon? That's equally hard in russian and in usa.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 17, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
steal the parts through bribes and assemble it. not very hard, compared to nickin a pre-built one
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 17, 2007, 10:49:27 AM
and you say you can't bribe a american to give you the parts, only russian?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 17, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
never said that...just russia has more parts than america and is currently suffering from mass poverty so it would be easier/cheaper to get it from russia.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 17, 2007, 11:32:54 AM
And Russia has a bad history of keeping track of their nukes
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 17, 2007, 01:37:34 PM
true. but I still don't believe it is much harder to get one from usa.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 17, 2007, 01:41:18 PM
getting a bit off topic...i thought we were talking about the actual way USA could fall, not who takes better care of their nukes...(sorry if this is within boundaries for this forum, still adjusting)
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 17, 2007, 03:05:35 PM
Russia's military is in big time decay, they've got nuke silos all over the place, half of them not even manned anymore, just sitting there.  The US has their nukes under guard
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 18, 2007, 12:26:47 AM
yeah propably. but still as s-t-n said it we are out of topic. back on it and thinking new ways for usa to fall.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 18, 2007, 01:54:37 PM
maybe attack of the mutant radioactive hamsters? lol.

maybe the u.s.a will just do wat britain did and decay for no good reason...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 18, 2007, 03:10:59 PM
Britain decayed cause it had nowhere to go
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 18, 2007, 04:32:34 PM
and the USA has?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 18, 2007, 05:59:49 PM
true. but I still don't believe it is much harder to get one from usa.

Then your IQ is the size of your Shoe.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 19, 2007, 01:05:19 AM
I don't think that IQ has anything to do with this.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 19, 2007, 03:56:13 AM
Only if you're Stupid.

*Cough*Yesyouare*cough*
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 19, 2007, 08:53:31 AM
It's my luck that I'm smart and old enough to leave your comments to the shadow. They just reveal how inmature you are. And back to topic.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kalo on September 19, 2007, 11:13:04 AM
Immature? Half your posts are useless posts not even having any value.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Slornie on September 19, 2007, 11:18:15 AM
Meyer, Kalo - can you please stop arguing and insulting one another about intelligence and maturity.

Remember the forum rules:
Quote from: Arbiter
Insulting other forum members is a one way ticket to bandom.

Time to return to topic or lockedness might descend from the Administration (ie Arbiter).
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 19, 2007, 01:53:08 PM
I tried to hint him but he just doesn't listen. but you are right Slornie. back on topic.

Now I know. A giant tsunami comes and wipes out usa.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 19, 2007, 01:56:28 PM
somebody detonates a bomb in the san andreas fault causing a giant chunk of america to fall into the sea...its not so much a way america could fal, but it wouldnt really be america anymore...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on September 19, 2007, 08:53:35 PM
Its still "sea to shining sea".
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Slornie on September 20, 2007, 06:16:19 AM
somebody detonates a bomb in the san andreas fault causing a giant chunk of america to fall into the sea...its not so much a way america could fal, but it wouldnt really be america anymore...
I read a novel that had something like that quite recently.. "Goodbye California" by Alistair MacLean.. Tis a novel idea, maybe the Russians would donate one of their vacuum bombs to whichever terrorist organisation comes up with the best plan to accomplish it :P
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 20, 2007, 03:11:22 PM
Yeah, Russia holds an annual convention to see who comes up with the best idea to kill off the US
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on September 20, 2007, 04:38:42 PM
ok no they don"t trust me my famil have purty held purty high positions in the soviet military sand government and in the russian
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 20, 2007, 05:29:14 PM
wait, what?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on September 20, 2007, 09:39:06 PM
I too am puzzled by his lack of punctuation.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 21, 2007, 04:37:21 AM
whats more likely is that GB/EU/Russia will go to war with America. it'll start as them telling America to get the bases out of our countries, then relations will go extremely south, and eventually war will be declared...dunno whether GB or America would fall so Ive put it in both...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kratas on September 21, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
why would GB go to war against US
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 21, 2007, 01:45:30 PM
at moment there is a lot of anti-americanism in europe...in case you hadnt noticed. naturally, i keep an open mind and arnt one of these people...but there are a lot that dont do the same
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 21, 2007, 03:06:18 PM
That doesn't mean they want war
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 21, 2007, 03:51:58 PM
it does mean they dont any US bases in the countries...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Darth Elmo on September 21, 2007, 05:03:55 PM
For the longest time (during the Cold War) Europe was kissing the A$$ of the USA to keep forces in for their own protection against Communism. France was the first one to break away from that and the rest of Europe is following. Rumsfeld didn't help matters by straining relations with them... There are a few European countries who like the USA though, like Great Britain, Italy, Spain, etc...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 21, 2007, 05:05:21 PM
im in great britain and i can assure you...there are a LOT of people who arnt exactly pro-american here...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Kratas on September 21, 2007, 05:17:33 PM
yep i used to think americans were big headed idiots

i still think some are ,only some
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Darth Elmo on September 21, 2007, 05:21:24 PM
LOL, yeah I've seen that in GB, but their a little more pro-American then the rest of Europe...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Slornie on September 21, 2007, 05:41:52 PM
Or should that be a little less anti-American.. :P Nah, only joking.. there's nothing wrong with Americans.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Darth Elmo on September 21, 2007, 05:56:22 PM
Yeah, their not bad... But there is definatly issues that need to be resolved...
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on September 21, 2007, 06:07:58 PM
im an amreican but id rather not be
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: s-t-n on September 21, 2007, 06:24:26 PM
rather be russian by any chance?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 21, 2007, 07:27:44 PM
Why would you not want to be in the US?
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 22, 2007, 02:38:08 AM
I hate some americans and those are mostly politicians. most people on this forum are great. and why doesn't he want to live in usa? maybe because he is a COMMIE! or then he just thinks he could have a better life in some other country.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Darth Elmo on September 22, 2007, 03:25:35 AM
Can't blame you, who dosn't hate politicians???
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 22, 2007, 01:15:23 PM
Americas great to live in, just tune out the whole political crap and its almost perfect
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 22, 2007, 02:51:32 PM
but that's the catch, ism't it? you can't tune out the political crap. but if you ever manage to do that, I'll move to usa ASAP.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Noret on September 22, 2007, 03:30:04 PM
Americas great to live in, just tune out the whole political crap and its almost perfect

yes but other places can be just as good
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Meyer on September 22, 2007, 04:04:04 PM
this is one of those matter of opinion type of things.
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Scarecrow63 on September 22, 2007, 05:12:27 PM
Politics dont really affect everyday life, unless you let it get to you and start complaining and such
Title: Re: Fall of USA
Post by: Mandalore-the-Inquizitor on September 23, 2007, 08:35:55 PM
its the peapole i cant stand