Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: Meyer on March 13, 2008, 02:01:30 AM
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Few gays ago it was on the news that the governor of New York, Eliot Spitzer, had a sex-relationship with some prostitute. And now he apparently has resigned. Do you think that personal life affects peoples job? That because he had this scandal he can't be the governor anymore? And isn't everyone free to spend his/hers free time and personal life as they like? Should these sort of thing be left alone and never be brought to public?
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i don't see why not. you can think whatever you want about a person who you see on tv. when you know about what they do when they think nobody is watching is when you see their true charachter and weather they are trustworthy. but something like sex with a prostitute, who gives a flying fuck about it. embezzling, theft, adultry, ect. those types of things i would want to know about. not that he nailed a cheap whore.
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my thoughts exactly. Except the adultery part. So many does it so why can't he. How does the fact that he does an adultery affect his work? But the press love it. vultures! but embezzling, theft and those sort of things I would like to know.
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I dont give a damn what they do in their own time, unless its illegal.
I dont want to know if theyre having an affair, or if theyre going on holiday somewhere, etc.
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I agree totally. I think media should be more discreet about these things. they just bring them up and have huge fuss about something unimportant.
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I could say the same about celebrities as well - I dont care who they are having a relationship with, what they are wearing (or not wearing as the case may be), where theyve visited, etc.
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In this case, at least, it is something that should be brought up. At least, it is justified that he has to resign. He spent most of his career sending people to jail for doing this exact thing, so now he gets to do it.
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i care if they are tories lol. (i don't like the conservative party)
however, in uk politics, other MPs would give the mp a hard time (especially if the mp is in cabinet) and the MP would inevitably resign. so, it's a hard one.
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Depends. If he/she is having marital problems, I don't care. If he is beating his wife, he needs to pay. End of story. If it doesn't break the law or is not immoral, I don't care.
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however, in uk politics, other MPs would give the mp a hard time (especially if the mp is in cabinet) and the MP would inevitably resign. so, it's a hard one.
You mean like that MP who claimed expenses for his son as a research assistant (with no evidence of this supposed research having taken place) - Didnt he only get a 10 day commons suspension? Such a hard time..
*Yes, i know that fiddling expenses is not the same as paying for a prostitute, but still.
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derek conway? (yes, i study politics)
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derek conway? (yes, i study politics)
Yeah, thats the one.
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I think that the people who spend their lives devoted to studying other people's lives (ehem, THE MEDIA) have no lives of their own. They devote all their time to observing celebrities and models, and hence, they are socially inept people who cannot even take care of themselves, and they are warped by their jobs into dependant morons. I also think that if a celebrity does something unusual (such as hiring a prostitue), why should it matter? Just because they are in a position of power doesnt mean they cant do what they wish, right? This is another thing; how stupid the general population is of most countries. Most men hire a prostitute (or at least in America (grins malicously)) in their lives anyway and no-one cares, but when an important figure does it, suddenly the very people who hire prostitutes every week start protesting the person in question, saying that "Prostitution is evil", "Your corrupt and un-deserving of importance", etc, and they will support those protests openly whilst still hiring more prostitutes to vent their innane sexual lust. Because the Media is corrupt, it has swindled and converted the general populace into gullible morons that cannot think independantly and have to rely on the Media to supply false information to justify their own stupidity for allowing the Media to hold sway over them.
The bottom line is; if a politician is responsible for murder, do what you do to other people; pay him no mind and throw him in jail, and dont make such a big fuss about it.
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it matters very much, prostitution is illegal, and he broke the law. you can't have someone uphold the law if they break their very oath to protect it. it makes no sense, regardless of his personal life. that is the price you pay when you enter politics. every facet of your life is examined, that doesnt make it right or fair, but since when has life been fair? and if i remember correctly Spitzer was a strong advocate of family life and very anti-prositutional (not sure if that is a word but oh well).
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I know prostitution is illegal, but what I am trying to point out is that people don't care if say, their friends or family do it, but if someone in politics does it, bam! They hate them and start protesting. I also realize that life isnt fair, but then again, it is still idiotical and unnecessary to degrade other people so vehemetly whilst uncaring of other's doings.
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and whole problem wouldn't even exist if prostitution would be legal. isn't nevada the only state where it is legal? and that seems to work fine.
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as I said, as long as it isn't illegal, I don't care. If they want to have sex with everyone they can, they remain profesional at the office, and they are single, I don't care!
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politicians in a democracy are ambassadors of the people. they represnt them. do you really want a man who has sex with prostitutes to be representing you?
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1. I don't think prostitution should be legal. If they both consent to do it, good for them. Also, it will never go away, it is the world's oldest profession.
2. they remain profesional at the office
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politicians in a democracy are ambassadors of the people. they represnt them. do you really want a man who has sex with prostitutes to be representing you?
Well people voted him. And making those sort of things proves that they too are humans although it doesn't always seem like they are. Everyone has done something stupid. And as said few times earlier, their private life doesn't affect on their work.
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if its illegal i want to know. if not i dont care.
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If they do things against the law what is to stop them from breaking other laws?
politicians in a democracy are ambassadors of the people. they represnt them. do you really want a man who has sex with prostitutes to be representing you?
He represents people. We can't have these people in office because other countries and people care. You people usually seem to care about the countries reputation. ???
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Funny thing is that most of the time the ambassadors are polite and charming people that tend towards good morality, whilst the people they represent are up to their noses in drugs, prostitution, raping, molesting, etc.
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No, it does matter when the politicians have set themselves up as worthy to lead the people
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the moment they choose to become a politician is the moment that they should know their private lives will be examined, its as easy as that
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but it shouldn't be exterminated.
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it isnt exterminated, just examined
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Sure they have to submit to Media people watching their every move, but why should we judge them when we never judge ourselves? We could be criminal masterminds that are totally corrupt, and they could be good people that make one little mistake, than all of a sudden we harass them and criticise them. Humanity=pretty damm oblivious of itself.
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humanity is a disease that will be one day wiped out of existence.
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by their own doing eg. global warming.
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Lets not let us turn this into one of those topics. But anyways I agree with this:
the moment they choose to become a politician is the moment that they should know their private lives will be examined, its as easy as that
Once they become politicians their life changes. They make laws and such, so they especially should abide by them. This guy promised he would go after people like himself. They should be an example of good citizens.
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shouldn't anyone be an example to others? How would you like if your stupid things would be all over the papers and telly?
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I wouldn't. That is why Im not a politician.
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i doubt politicians want it either. i personally wouldn't mind being a politician. i am very interested in social politics. however, i lack the charisma needed in the british government.
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I have though of going to politics. for one thing the pay is very good and you don't literally have to do anything.
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i just need to work on charisma. if you know about british politics, there is a lot of smart talking in there. it's not bluntly done.
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charisma is a powerful thing when it comes to politics
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you don't know a charismatic politician till you watch "question time" on BBC news politics. (if you don't know brirtish politics or aren't interested in politiccs, give it a miss. ) gordon brown is about as charismatic as a rancor. the opposition leader, david cameron, as much of an upper class arse as he is, is charismatic.
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unfortunatly i don't know british politics. only usa, russian, and japanese i am really familiar with.
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in britain, gordon brown took over from blair last summer. he was a great chancellor, but a bad PM. alistair darling (chancellor of the exchequer/ handles economic side of things) has screwed the economy up through the northern rock crisis (bank in england-crashed due to us subrime mortgage crisis) and now, it looks like the tories (assholes) will take power in the 2010 elections.
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tories is a political party correct?
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conservative party (think more PC moderate republican) david cameron calls himself a "liberal conservative". how is that a valid statement? in politial terms, that is contradictory.
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politics in Finland is very simple. press a button and that's it. you don't have to do anything else. And because of that we have celebrities from TV and sports stars doing politics. No wonder everything is going to hell.
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i like finland. i have a fish knife from there.
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Humans are meant to die-they are bred for destruction. In every single human born lies the potential to take life and to give life.
Anyways back on topic-politicians are representatives of us, but whats the point of representing people who break the laws you try to uphold? Lol Isamu a bit off topic there.... ;)
I havent been to FInland, so I cant really comment on that account.
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like you havent been off topic anarchist. anyways. people who represent us should be kind of like the average statistic of all of us.
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but they can't be. those who represent us are always doing better. for example they get paid a lot better.
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but you see what i mean. politics should have an almost communist quality to it.
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not really. communism gives or at least should give the power ti people. But I'd be happy if politicians wouldn't get so high salary.
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the greatest way to distinguish between left wing and right wing i have seen is left wing :believes the people of a state are more important than the state(i.e. institutions etc.) . right wing is the state is more important than the people.
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people should not be afraid of their governments. governments should be afraid of their people.
-v, v for vendetta
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still, politicians need to know they will be examined, so what if the general populace doesnt follow the laws, they are not on display. hypocritical yes it is, is it right? no, but since when has the world cared about right and wrong? things happen, oh well, you dont want your dirty laundry throw across the media then dont become famous or a politician
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I believe that if a person is going to attest to something they should actually have some degrade of intelligence; the general populace doesnt care about the good things a person does; we are 'defined' through the bad deeds we commit. It seems that a man who has spent his entire life as a pure, non-corrupted person (celebate (just kidding), calm, kind, caring, etc) will instead be judged through one mistake such as hiring a harlot. It is foolishness, but since when have humans not been foolish?
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humans are smart on their own but stupid in groups.
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then you dont mess up that one time, its as simple as that. but we as humans cannot help but mess up its our nature, and there are different levels of "bad" hiring a harlot is different then going five miles over the speed limit...
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Indeed. Hiring a person who most likely does not want to have sexual rleations with you and then doing to her whatever you bloody well want is an act of pure cruelty. But then again, as I said, we are defined (by the Media and the general populace) through the bad deeds we commit, not the good ones.
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well for one, it's true prostitution is illegal. and doesnt he have a wife? if he does, it is adultry, technically. Not to mention, like it does show his true charecter, what he does when no ones looking. And when you become a politician, you should realize that you just cant do this kinda stuff, people are trusting that you won't. Personal lives show what kind of judgement a person has, and judgement is all to necessary for politics, even though it seems no one uses it anymore
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We know. But what I hate is that people are defined in society by the wrong, not both right and wrong.
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it's human nature. humans are pesimistic, and so foucus on the negative. papers wouldn't get sold by saying "gordon brown donates money to an orphan in africe". they do get money for "gordon brown hands money to a prostitute in soho". it's a combination of pessimistic nature, and gossip.
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it's human nature. humans are pesimistic, and so foucus on the negative. papers wouldn't get sold by saying "gordon brown donates money to an orphan in africe". they do get money for "gordon brown hands money to a prostitute in soho". it's a combination of pessimistic nature, and gossip.
My words, thats what MOST of us are, but some don't, buts that a few amount.
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Let's put this in perspective people. The question isn't "Do you want to know when a politician is breaking the law or committing an immoral act?" It's "Do you want to know what politicians do in their personal lives?" Do I want to know if a politician is using tax-payer money to pay a prostitute while he is married? Yes. Do I want to know if he uses his own money to pay a prostitute when he is single? No.
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well, if it affects the public, they deserve to know. we all live in democracies, afterall.
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Affects, and I made that distinction. Hence the tax-payer money and personal cash difference.
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it's human nature. humans are pesimistic, and so foucus on the negative. papers wouldn't get sold by saying "gordon brown donates money to an orphan in africe". they do get money for "gordon brown hands money to a prostitute in soho". it's a combination of pessimistic nature, and gossip.
well said
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lol. thanks.
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thats why i hate my local newspaper. though. all it talks about today is how some guy successfully started a toilet building company. 2 years ago the front page would be 5 troops killed in iraq.