Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Illidan Stormrage on April 25, 2017, 10:22:05 PM
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frustration.
that is the single best word to describe the Disney cannon.
now before I vent anger I want to give credit where credit is due(Even though I have little respect for this cannon)
What is good:
Finally seeing Thrawn in movie/television (don't spoil book please still not done)
The stories told from Imperial Points of view are much better than books like Aftermath(I have a major HATE for those books) and are generally kind of cool.
The Darth Vader comic stories are amazing
Some of the new ships, troops, vehicles, and characters on The EMPIRE'S side are great. Krrenic is a great Australian Imperial :), Death troopers are cool, some of the new imperial ships like the Carrion Spike, I'm am hype actually for Inferno Squadron since it is nice to play as a Counter-Terrorist Unit against the crazy rebel terrorists, and most of all I like the Iden Veriso.
But lets talk about what angers me.
1: How Endor's Aftermath is done. This is the Fucking worst problem about the New cannon. It is so stupid the idea the Emperor uses for killing off the Empire after his death is that "In a chess match if the king is kill then the subordinates have failed and should go down with their king" WTF. Not only that they say the Empire COULD HAVE WON. That would be a great change you know. The sequel could have had Imperial splinter factions along with the First order as a actual threat to the galaxy and a still functional but disorganize empire. This Just pisses me off everyday I think about it. FUCK YOU GALLIUS RAX.
2: this notion of avoiding doing movies, comics, and tv shows around, during, or before the clone wars. I like all star wars movies but the prequels are worst than the originals. But Disney has this notion that the prequel timeline is stupid and worst than the original trilogy and to avoid content around it. This is one of the reason the CLONE WARS was CANCELED. It is the sad truth.
3: The spinoffs: Now I just have to ask. Did anyone ask necessary for a Han Solo Movie? Or Rogue one? I have heard many of my friends want a Cad Bane or Bounty Hunters movie while any fans want a obi-wan movie. Can They just give us also less movies set between 3 and 4 and movies set between 5 and 6?
That be great.
#CadBaneMovieorTVshow.
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First lets cool down remember Star Wars always had cannon problems so this is nothing new :)
Also remember Disney has no control over lucasflims at this point they're just distributors of the product. So direct all your anger toward Lucasflims.
1.The aftermath series from what I can tell had a pretty good layout for what it had envisioned, however bad writing plagued it to the point where it sounds bad overall, it also makes sense that Palpatine wanted the empire to take down the galaxy with his death, seeing how he always envisioned himself at the top, and saw no point for it to exist without him. It fits his character very well. Though I do agree they could've phrased it and wrote it better.
2.Everything was canceled during the time Star Wars became a Disney property, it makes sense, how are you going to develop anything while you're currently changing business models, making plans for the future of the franchise and so on, if they did do things in this period of time, it would've doomed Star Wars with more poor quality content. Plus not many people that are older than, well your age like the prequels, so they avoid it because they don't want to be run down by the worse part of Star Wars. If anything Disney could probably redo 1,2,3 and get a very positive response since those movies are so bad.
3.Rogue one was probably the best thing to happen to Star Wars, not only did it bring back extremist old fans like Timpedia (by extremist I mean those who did not like the way the franchise was going since before Disney, I fall under this group. Kinda of) But it also dispelled this weird and frankly false notion that Star Wars was pandering to SJWs (that's a whole other discussion) even Alex Jones the biggest conspiracy theorist (sorry for my bad language) dick head said Rogue one was a good movie and had no or very little SJW stuff in it. Finally I've never heard anyone say they wanted a Cad Bane movie, In my small opinion Cad Bane is just an awful character with a cool voice, that's why everyone likes him. They already killed him off behind the scenes. Who knows how the Han Solo movie can go, we'll see what happens.
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Yep, you're right, Thrawn, on every one of your points. It's sad, isn't it. Btw, I'm the biggest Boba Fett fanboy in the world (Mandowanker, as some would likely call me), but I would still rather see an Obi-Wan standalone film, just to see Ewan McGregor portray him again, before he gets too old. I mean, you can cast anyone as Boba, it can wait. If Disney really decide to make a Boba Fett film ahead of Obi-Wan in 2020, that'd be weird. But seeing where everything in the franchise is going, I wouldn't be surprised if they tell us, fans, to fuck off again. I've seen an interview with Mark Hamill recently on youtube, where he was referring to his character's story with Joruus C'Baoth in the Thrawn trilogy, saying that he would love to see something like this on screen, but that people at Disney told him that they would NEVER use legends stories directly, in order to not have to give credit to other authors, but at the same time recognizing that all the best ideas have already been used in legends. So there's not much hope for improvement, folks. We just have to be thankful that people like Corey and his wonderful team exist, and that they keep fighting for the EU lore to get as much exposure as possible under such unhelpful circumstances. It warms my heart, seeing how all the EaW let's players on youtube are struggling to pronounce Ysanne Isard or Zsinj, knowing that most of them would never have encountered those characters if they didn't appear in a game. And this applies to most Thrawn's Revenge players out there. So we all owe Corey and the guys for that.
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Plus not many people that are older than, well your age like the prequels, so they avoid it because they don't want to be run down by the worse part of Star Wars. If anything Disney could probably redo 1,2,3 and get a very positive response since those movies are so bad.
I beg to differ. How was Revenge of the Sith bad? Easily better than the Force Awakens, I still haven't found any honest SW fans who would disagree with this (well, maybe you're the first one). IMO even the Phantom Menace and the Attack of the Clones were better than that godawful epigonistic piece of garbage, but I realize that both of these are incredibly flawed and are indeed bad throughout, albeit not entirely bereft of original ideas like TFA. But still it pains me to see how people like you disregard RotS as part of the prequels, which in their mind automatically equals bad. Was it, really? If you can prove me wrong I'll admit it, but I know for a fact that there would be people in this thread who agree with me. RotS is not flawless, for sure, but a bad film it ain't.
P.S.: And the Aftermath book had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Having read it, unfortunately, I don't recommend it to anyone. You'll just waste your time and nerves (if you're a Legends fan).
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The fact that the novelization outshined the movie version for RotS...massively....and I have read and watched both. So yes RotS wasn't that GOOD, but better than TPM. I rank Prequels the lowest of the SW movies though.
TFA was great to watch, I would rank it on the same level as ANH.
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frustration.
that is the single best word to describe the Disney cannon.
2: this notion of avoiding doing movies, comics, and tv shows around, during, or before the clone wars. I like all star wars movies but the prequels are worst than the originals. But Disney has this notion that the prequel timeline is stupid and worst than the original trilogy and to avoid content around it. This is one of the reason the CLONE WARS was CANCELED. It is the sad truth.
That's not the main reason. The main reason is.....look at what channel did Disney put the newest Star Wars show Rebels on? Then look at what channel the Clone Wars show was hosted.... And to help you get hang of it, Disney do not own the channel Clone Wars was on.
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I have to admit, the new caNon IS frustrating.
In the meantime, here's a picture of an actual CANNON
(http://kingofwallpapers.com/cannon/cannon-020.jpg)
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The fact that the novelization outshined the movie version for RotS...massively....and I have read and watched both. So yes RotS wasn't that GOOD, but better than TPM. I rank Prequels the lowest of the SW movies though.
TFA was great to watch, I would rank it on the same level as ANH.
Because puns make great comedy during murder.
"We were promised a handsome reward!"
"Am I not handsome enough for you?" Totally the Darth Vader we want guys.
"Make sure not to choke on your aspirations director."That's not the main reason. The main reason is.....look at what channel did Disney put the newest Star Wars show Rebels on? Then look at what channel the Clone Wars show was hosted.... And to help you get hang of it, Disney do not own the channel Clone Wars was on.
I'd argue that it was cancelled because it was during the prequels considering how much original trilogy merch was on sale in the FTA hype train.
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I beg to differ. How was Revenge of the Sith bad? Easily better than the Force Awakens, I still haven't found any honest SW fans who would disagree with this (well, maybe you're the first one). IMO even the Phantom Menace and the Attack of the Clones were better than that godawful epigonistic piece of garbage, but I realize that both of these are incredibly flawed and are indeed bad throughout, albeit not entirely bereft of original ideas like TFA. But still it pains me to see how people like you disregard RotS as part of the prequels, which in their mind automatically equals bad. Was it, really? If you can prove me wrong I'll admit it, but I know for a fact that there would be people in this thread who agree with me. RotS is not flawless, for sure, but a bad film it ain't.
P.S.: And the Aftermath book had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Having read it, unfortunately, I don't recommend it to anyone. You'll just waste your time and nerves (if you're a Legends fan).
Let's face it aftermath was just terribly written. Anyway I associate ROTS with the prequels because they were the same line of movies? ROTS was alright, no the best nor the worse Star Wars film. I would put it above TFA, but I would put the rest of the prequels way under TFA, that's just how bad they were. I grew up with the originals and you probably grew up with the prequels so that's probably why you hold them in such high regard Edit: not there's anything wrong with that, everyone is human and has different opinions which is completely fine I still like you, as long as you don't insult me. We can keep this completely civil
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I beg to differ. How was Revenge of the Sith bad? Easily better than the Force Awakens, I still haven't found any honest SW fans who would disagree with this (well, maybe you're the first one). IMO even the Phantom Menace and the Attack of the Clones were better than that godawful epigonistic piece of garbage, but I realize that both of these are incredibly flawed and are indeed bad throughout, albeit not entirely bereft of original ideas like TFA. But still it pains me to see how people like you disregard RotS as part of the prequels, which in their mind automatically equals bad. Was it, really? If you can prove me wrong I'll admit it, but I know for a fact that there would be people in this thread who agree with me. RotS is not flawless, for sure, but a bad film it ain't.
P.S.: And the Aftermath book had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Having read it, unfortunately, I don't recommend it to anyone. You'll just waste your time and nerves (if you're a Legends fan).
1st, i agree. RoTS was much better than the awful remake of ANH(it's only redeeming is it looked cool), but i am not a fan of the other 2 movies. while the plot could have been better, it is one of the better star wars movies, alongside the original trilogy and Rogue one
2nd, i read Aftermath 1 and 2, but i agree, nowhere near as good as legends
3rd, That's not the main reason. The main reason is.....look at what channel did Disney put the newest Star Wars show Rebels on? Then look at what channel the Clone Wars show was hosted.... And to help you get hang of it, Disney do not own the channel Clone Wars was on.
and disney is not the best, i agree, but they are slowly learning
4th,
I have to admit, the new caNon IS frustrating.
In the meantime, here's a picture of an actual CANNON
[img=http://kingofwallpapers.com/cannon/cannon-020.jpg][/img]
i'll look at that, but Disney is not close to EU yet
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I mean lets compare Aftermath and the timeline between Jedi and Force Awakens against the Eu Endor timeline.
Cannon:
Before Endor the Emperor planned the Empire's destruction should he die. this plan involve messenger droids launching operations to scorch planets chosen in advance with super weapons.
Gallius Rax was chosen to lead this plan.
when the Emperor died the Empire had rally for a meeting and the Imperial Council formed of Admirals, moffs and Imperial leaders. The Imperials the Met Gallius Rax who slowly destroyed the Empire over one year.
While some like Governor Adheard form is own faction in Anoat Sector we saw most Imperial forces sent to Jakku. this was design to demoralize them and make them weak for the battle against the NR/rebels/Terrorists. the Plan was to trick both Rebel and Imperial forces so that Gallius Rax could BLOW THE FUCK out of Jakku killing all. But Rae Slaone saved them all, even though she was labeled a Imperial War Criminal. Rae slaone then use the coordinates to find the Eclispe SSD along with Armitage, and Brenadal Hux and their army of brainwashed children turn storm troopers(sound Familiar?). They use this to rebuild the Empire as the first order. While the rest of the empire sign a treaty similar to the treaty of Versailles if you know WW1 history. this started a cold war between the three factions. then the Force Awakens happened.
Legends:
I don't no everything but I like to have Lord Xizer help on this one please.
But in short:
Warlords
Thrawn
Isard
Emperor Reborn.
Dalaa
Peallaon
IR
Proxy wars with warlords and way more that I just may short due to TMI.
Maybe Xizer can post a decent summary for me.
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You missed one notable battle from the new Canon timeline; Battle of Kuat which lasted for several weeks and whose loss was a major blow for the Empire military industry especially for the navy.
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but he is mostly on topic
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I mean I don't see why it's such a deal of concern. You could just keep things in head cannon, if you really had a problem with current cannon you wouldn't pay any attention to it, or support it.
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Let's face it aftermath was just terribly written. Anyway I associate ROTS with the prequels because they were the same line of movies? ROTS was alright, no the best nor the worse Star Wars film. I would put it above TFA, but I would put the rest of the prequels way under TFA, that's just how bad they were. I grew up with the originals and you probably grew up with the prequels so that's probably why you hold them in such high regard Edit: not there's anything wrong with that, everyone is human and has different opinions which is completely fine I still like you, as long as you don't insult me. We can keep this completely civil
Man, I'm 24, and even though I did grow up with the prequels, I still agree that they haven't aged well with me, and that their flaws easily surpass the strengths. My film taste now is actually completely different to what it was at the time, and at this stage even ESB is probably a 7/10 film for me, if I'm dead honest. I'm a SW fan for the lore only at this stage, I'm too madly in love with the universe to let it go. Still, imo it's unfair to throw RotS under the prequel hate bus, it's really not nearly as bad, and I'm glad to see that we agree on that. I didn't mean to offend you, sorry if my tone was a little harsh. I like you, too, in fact, and have always found your insight on any of the topics here very useful, you're clearly a very smart guy. And thank you for the kind words.
Btw, how old are you? If you don't mind me asking, of course, I'm just curious. Since you said you grew up with the originals, but yet I clearly remember you talking about going to college, and very recently. If you're actually a teacher there, then I'm sorry for suspecting that you're younger than me, lol.
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The fact that the novelization outshined the movie version for RotS...massively....and I have read and watched both. So yes RotS wasn't that GOOD, but better than TPM. I rank Prequels the lowest of the SW movies though.
TFA was great to watch, I would rank it on the same level as ANH.
Well, it's really a matter of opinions, I guess. TFA wasn't fun to watch for me at all, for instance. But there is no point in arguing, we're both entitled to what we believe. And I agree with you about the novelization of RotS, which was indeed better, overall, than the movie. I doubt, though, that this necessarily undermines the film in any way. But I respect your opinion nonetheless, have a nice day, sir :)
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I'm a SW fan for the lore only at this stage, I'm too madly in love with the universe to let it go.
This is pretty much where I'm at too. Star Wars as just the 6 movies isn't all that great from a story perspective. If it wasn't for the groundbreaking effects I doubt it would have made it past 1977. It was the massive galaxy-building that sold it to me. That made things interesting, made it alive.
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Man, I'm 24, and even though I did grow up with the prequels, I still agree that they haven't aged well with me, and that their flaws easily surpass the strengths. My film taste now is actually completely different to what it was at the time, and at this stage even ESB is probably a 7/10 film for me, if I'm dead honest. I'm a SW fan for the lore only at this stage, I'm too madly in love with the universe to let it go. Still, imo it's unfair to throw RotS under the prequel hate bus, it's really not nearly as bad, and I'm glad to see that we agree on that. I didn't mean to offend you, sorry if my tone was a little harsh. I like you, too, in fact, and have always found your insight on any of the topics here very useful, you're clearly a very smart guy. And thank you for the kind words.
Btw, how old are you? If you don't mind me asking, of course, I'm just curious. Since you said you grew up with the originals, but yet I clearly remember you talking about going to college, and very recently. If you're actually a teacher there, then I'm sorry for suspecting that you're younger than me, lol.
I won't give specifics but I am younger, the reason why I grew up with the originals is because that's what my family had for the most part. I watched the prequels and saw 3 in theaters, and loved them. But I always watched the originals more. Don't get me wrong I like all the movies, but that's why I'm so hard on the prequels because they could've been so much better.
And its no problem, its good to have discussion on these things in our tight knitted community. It wasn't harsh of course but I just wanted to defuse things before they got to that point since everyone is so passionate. I just get frustrated when there's unwarranted hate on certain companies when they have no control over these matters.
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It is a shame aftermath over shadows the good storys like Lost Stars, Tarkin, And Thrawn
Btw what the hell are these New worlds in Aftermath like "ze" or something. Someone said they are gender neutral pronouns which I really hope isn't true since I believe you only have two genders.(I don't hate against those people who say they are gender neutral, but I am don't want them to forcing me to use these words or read them. you can classify as a unicorn as long as I don't have to be force to believe that is officially true.)
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now before I vent anger I want to give credit where credit is due(Even though I have little respect for this cannon)
What is good:
Finally seeing Thrawn in movie/television (don't spoil book please still not done)
The stories told from Imperial Points of view are much better than books like Aftermath(I have a major HATE for those books) and are generally kind of cool.
The Darth Vader comic stories are amazing
Some of the new ships, troops, vehicles, and characters on The EMPIRE'S side are great. Krrenic is a great Australian Imperial :), Death troopers are cool, some of the new imperial ships like the Carrion Spike, I'm am hype actually for Inferno Squadron since it is nice to play as a Counter-Terrorist Unit against the crazy rebel terrorists, and most of all I like the Iden Veriso.
#CadBaneMovieorTVshow.
I feel bad because their is great cannon stuff. But I see it over Shadow by bad books like the Aftermath books, and the other issue that Aftermath basically cause is that all books, games, and movies are force to use this in their stories if they want to talk about the aftermath of Endor. I mean Operation: Cinder is cool but if all is Just a Trap. I cant wait to play it though in battlefront 2 since you can see in the wookiepedia sources it say battlefront 2.
OF all the cannon books my favorite is Thrawn.
though I like a Cad Bane book or bounty hunter Tv series after rebels.
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cannon?
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warehouse13/images/7/7b/Black_Bart%27s_Cannon_%28Cut%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20130827022455)
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It is a shame aftermath over shadows the good storys like Lost Stars, Tarkin, And Thrawn
Btw what the hell are these New worlds in Aftermath like "ze" or something. Someone said they are gender neutral pronouns which I really hope isn't true since I believe you only have two genders.(I don't hate against those people who
Apologies for quote mangling but there's plenty of gender neutral pronouns. I don't really see what's wrong with them. For example:
Them, They, We, Us, You, I, Me.
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Lol, Kucsidave, those are some sexy looking cannon picks though ;D
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thanks
Next time I'm gonna give you a Star Wars cannon :D
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(palaptine voice) Do it!
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'kay
A star wars cannon. an ion cannon to be precise :D
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/86/KDYioncannon_negwt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080722200203)
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any more?
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HVG!!! :D I know it's a "gun", technically, but still.
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there are lots of cannons.
Laser cannons, Turbolaser cannons, ships's ion cannons, yada yada...
here's an X-wing's laser cannon
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/1f/Lasercannon_negwt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060805122616)
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Oh I thought we were talking about Canon;
(http://www.photographyblog.com/images/sized/images/uploads_ee1/canon_powershot_sx500_is-476x400.jpg)
;)
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there are lots of cannons.
Laser cannons, Turbolaser cannons, ships's ion cannons, yada yada...
here's an X-wing's laser cannon
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/1f/Lasercannon_negwt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060805122616)
Oh, that's true, I've never thought of it like that, lol.
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Every SW cannon is canon to me. Btw, if Canon ever produced a cannon, would they call it the "Canon cannon"? Also, do Canon also have their own canon, like Disney? Of which Canons to consider canon or not? And if their Canon cannon was considered Canon canon, would it be a Canon canon Canon cannon? Ok, I ran out of ideas, and this word now sounds incredibly stupid to me, after having repeated it so many times. ;D
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Every SW cannon is canon to me. Btw, if Canon ever produced a cannon, would they call it the "Canon cannon"? Also, do Canon also have their own canon, like Disney? Of which Canons to consider canon or not? And if their Canon cannon was considered Canon canon, would it be a Canon canon Canon cannon? Ok, I ran out of ideas, and this word now sounds incredibly stupid to me, after having repeated it so many times. ;D
(smack self, then fall over laughing)
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(smack self, then fall over laughing)
Consider me laughing along
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ikr
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This went in a completely different direction than I thought. : :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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doesn't everything?
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Yeah it did...
in conclusion I wish we had a Thrawn movie.
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Yeah it did...
in conclusion I wish we had a Thrawn movie.
Don't worry my friend, I'm 100 percent sure we will get a Thrawn movie.
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Don't worry my friend, I'm 100 percent sure we will get a Thrawn movie.
No Offense but you sound like the optimistic storm trooper who said "we can do it, CHARGE!" then is shot by a rebel sniper with Mickey Mouse ears
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No Offense but you sound like the optimistic storm trooper who said "we can do it, CHARGE!" then is shot by a rebel sniper with Mickey Mouse ears
I'm already dead in the inside so I'm okay with that
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6bh26gL3Fk4/UCME5d_8AQI/AAAAAAAAA_8/aB7QLpDTI_s/s1600/black+pp.jpg
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/coincidence-i-think-not.gif
https://pics.me.me/walmart-empire-coincidence-i-think-not-admin-finn-swhub-14054258.png
Compare the first two images than read the next two.... I dont know why I see this as similar....
Is Disney telling us the First Order=SJWs?????? Hmmmmmm....
This cannon is frustrating....
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6bh26gL3Fk4/UCME5d_8AQI/AAAAAAAAA_8/aB7QLpDTI_s/s1600/black+pp.jpg
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/coincidence-i-think-not.gif
https://pics.me.me/walmart-empire-coincidence-i-think-not-admin-finn-swhub-14054258.png
Compare the first two images than read the next two.... I dont know why I see this as similar....
Is Disney telling us the First Order=SJWs?????? Hmmmmmm....
This cannon is frustrating....
I hope you're joking
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He's not
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He's not
I'm too tired to even argue.
Edit: Keep in mind my name is Mr.Puerto IE Mr. Puerto Rican IE a minority so please do some sort of common sense research before saying things like Disney is bringing "SJW" into it. OT had Princess Leia has a strong woman character, EU had Thrawn as a minority character rising up through the ranks. So Star Wars has always been ahead with these ideals
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https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f2/20/7d/f2207dab69a41cb22756a4a6c0df35fc.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6bh26gL3Fk4/UCME5d_8AQI/AAAAAAAAA_8/aB7QLpDTI_s/s1600/black+pp.jpg
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/coincidence-i-think-not.gif
https://pics.me.me/walmart-empire-coincidence-i-think-not-admin-finn-swhub-14054258.png
Compare the first two images than read the next two.... I dont know why I see this as similar....
Is Disney telling us the First Order=SJWs?????? Hmmmmmm....
This cannon is frustrating....
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/66/c2/47/66c247251046607f8d407a63f562a61d.jpg
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I hope you're joking
oh course I am. I don't actually think that bruh. I just thought they look way more similar than the Nazi white power salute.
But the Walmart one.... well that actually may have some merit :) :) :)
also Mr. Puerto you know me I just say shit for no reason.
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oh course I am. I don't actually think that bruh. I just thought they look way more similar than the Nazi white power salute.
But the Walmart one.... well that actually may have some merit :) :) :)
also Mr. Puerto you know me I just say shit for no reason.
Well I posted that when I was super tired due to school and stress. So yeah I probably couldn't tell lol. With you its sometimes hit or miss lol
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Well I posted that when I was super tired due to school and stress. So yeah I probably couldn't tell lol. With you its sometimes hit or miss lol
I am like that smuggler with a mouth and your a imperial officer trying to be patience with me and not blow my face off.
But I am a dick and here are my political views.
1: Man and Women are equal, but women also must be require on drafts in case of war.
2: BLM and the KKK are Racist supremacists and terrorist groups
3: Star wars is being more politically correct and liberal.( Oh and I agree we some diversity but give them a inch they go a mile. so yeah some diversity)
4: A Thrawn movie wouldn't be sexist
5: Puerto Ricans should have the same rights as any other person and are cool dudes.(you guys are awesome) (Please Don't kill me Hamlet is already after me and it is hard to find a place to hide from him)
6: We need restricted Immigration do to the threat of terrorism and shira law being allowed in the west.
7: We should not be tearing down or vandalizing monuments to famous civil war generals like Stone Wall Jackson and Robert E. Lee. Lee only join because he didn't want to fight his fellow Virginians, but he was against slavery and racism.
also FUCK YOU GALLIUS RAX :)
thank you
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I am like that smuggler with a mouth and your a imperial officer trying to be patience with me and not blow my face off.
But I am a dick and here are my political views.
1: Man and Women are equal, but women also must be require on drafts in case of war.
2: BLM and the KKK are Racist supremacists and terrorist groups
3: Star wars is being more politically correct and liberal.( Oh and I agree we some diversity but give them a inch they go a mile. so yeah some diversity)
4: A Thrawn movie wouldn't be sexist
5: Puerto Ricans should have the same rights as any other person and are cool dudes.(you guys are awesome) (Please Don't kill me Hamlet is already after me and it is hard to find a place to hide from him)
6: We need restricted Immigration do to the threat of terrorism and shira law being allowed in the west.
7: We should not be tearing down or vandalizing monuments to famous civil war generals like Stone Wall Jackson and Robert E. Lee. Lee only join because he didn't want to fight his fellow Virginians, but he was against slavery and racism.
also FUCK YOU GALLIUS RAX :)
thank you
for the most part, i agree, but i also disagree, and here's why:
1. While men and Women are equal, women should not be on the draft, or in Hard labor jobs, because of the body chemistry, and, if your christian, the belief that men and women were created for different tasks. Men do the Hard work, Women give support and keep the house running and other such activites
2. yes, but what is BLM? I never have heard of that abbreviation. sorry, i'm a 15 year old homeschooler
3. ok i'll take your word for it
4. yes, that is true
5. all people should have the same rights. anyone who says otherwise is delusional
6. this would help, but probably isn't the best course of action. but then, look at what is happening to Europe, so whatever
7. this i agree with. Many southern civil war Generals served out of honor, not becuase they liked slavery. they fought for Ethical and Moral reasons, with the intent of fixing the wrongs of the south after the war. and Robert E. Lee is perhaps one of the most honourable men in histroy
lastly, i agree. Rax was an idiot
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Yeah lets not do politics, I rather not have people temp banned on the forums
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i was talking morals, not politics
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i was talking morals, not politics
There both the same thing at this point, BLM is black lives matter which is a movement (not a group as those on the far right believe) that came about because of all the cases of Police abuse on African Americans these last few years. Think of it as a MLKjr movement just much more disorganized. The point of the movement is to create awareness of violence against minorities from bad police officers and work toward solving those issues. They're not stating Black lives matter more, they're just stating Black lives are equal. So its a bit preposterous that they are labeled as a terrorist group, and a racial supremacy group.
My qualifications: Majoring in something related to politics and I have been studying politics for years
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The new canon is nothing more than a thinly veiled grave robbing.
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The new canon is nothing more than a thinly veiled grave robbing.
YESSSS!!!!!!!
TAKE THAT, DISNEY.
ok, overreaction. but it has very little new content that is not just revamped
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The new canon is nothing more than a thinly veiled grave robbing.
Very poetic my lord. Now shall we go rob the valley of the Jedi again?
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The new canon is nothing more than a thinly veiled grave robbing.
The best way I can describe is a meeting with all the clone wars guys, and the EU writers and Disney who is just leading the meaning asking them to make a decision on the fate of star wars. then this happens
http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2013/11/ImperialWarlords.jpg
follow by resistance forces led by us (Who would be the sith? I would be a shadow trooper)
sadly the resistance failed.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.QHg-w0FvBaK7dpdHcjEvdQDEEs&pid=15.1
that terrorist group the Disney alliance blew up are EU
But the fires Of EU Imperial resistance remains....
waiting to seize the moment to strike...
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man, you are excellent at making me laugh.
on a side note, do you have anymore cannon pics, Kucisdave?
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man, you are excellent at making me laugh.
on a side note, do you have anymore cannon pics, Kucisdave?
I got a loose cannon pic right here *insert goofy picture of Trump here
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I got a loose cannon pic right here *insert goofy picture of Trump here
wow
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YESSSS!!!!!!!
TAKE THAT, DISNEY.
ok, overreaction. but it has very little new content that is not just revamped
It also mean they can ignore terribad stuff in EU.
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It also mean they can ignore terribad stuff in EU.
And make their own terriworse stuff instead.
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I mean at least Disney revived the Star Wars franchise, it would probably be dead if it wasn't rebooted by being purchased by Disney. I mean the content is rather hit or miss, but they did save the property from becoming dead in the water.
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I mean at least Disney revived the Star Wars franchise, it would probably be dead if it wasn't rebooted by being purchased by Disney. I mean the content is rather hit or miss, but they did save the property from becoming dead in the water.
Considering the success TCW was having I couldn't really say
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star wars weren't dying.
It had a successful MMO RPG in SWTOR which was so successful that in fact it is still running and keeoing itself up.
There were books, comics and many other stuff.
So SW wasn't even remotely close to death.
Also think of the LEGO stuff as well.
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I mean at least Disney revived the Star Wars franchise, it would probably be dead if it wasn't rebooted by being purchased by Disney. I mean the content is rather hit or miss, but they did save the property from becoming dead in the water.
Well you're right, but it was alive. Alive mostly to Star Wars fans and some sci-fi fanboys, it had settled into the stage of "nothing major going on here, just some cool stuff." Episode 7 ressurected the property full sale while simutainously killing it, irreversably shifting the direction from the built up EU into... Mary Sue, TRACTOR, and Pilot Guy killing innocent action figures.
Yeah I'd honestly prefer SW then the current state it is, new Thrawn be damned.
Should've just made new movies within the old EU. Maybe Legacy...
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It had reached a point it needed to end as everything had been done from story or scenario possibilities, however it did NOT require a shameless reboot and theft that had the audacity to claim creative freedom. It deserved to die with dignity and be remembered as a golden era. You don't have to milk something to death and beyond for cash.
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yes
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exactly. Just think of how much time had been between the first 3 movies, and how much between the originals and the prequels.
Star Wars(or A New Hope):1977
TESB:1980 - 3 years
RotJ: 1983 - 3 years again
TPM: 1999 - 16 years OMG
AotC: 2002 -3 years once again
RotS: 2005 - What a surprise, once again 3 years...
And all of them were in may... Never in December, just before the oscar... weird...
Then, let's see Disney...
TFA: 2015 - 10 years, but the movie itself was put together under just 1... AFTER A "TOTAL REBOOT" WHICH WAS A CARBON COPY OF THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS WITH A FEW SCENES FROM 5 AND 6 PLACED HERE AND THERE!!!!
Rogue One: 2016: 2016 - 1 year
TLJ: 2017 - 1 year
The untitled Han Solo movie: 2018 - 1 year
Episode IX: 2019 - 1 FUCKIN YEAR ONCE AGAIN!
AND IF IT IS NOT ENOUGH, THEY ALREADY PLAN AN ANOTHER UNNAMED Anthology film IN 2020!!!!
AGAIN 1 GODDAMN YEAR!
I am not angry. I AM FUCKIN CONCERNED ABOUT THE DIRECTION STAR WARS IS HEADING!
THIS IS A FRANCHISE I GREW UP ON! I ATE, DRANK AND BREATHED IT IN EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE! Heck, when I was going to kindergarten me and my friend not just knew every goddamn word of all 4 movies that were out at the moment, but we played one of them every goddamn day.
WE WANTED TO BE JEDI when we grew up goddamnit.
So believe me when I say it. THIS IS TOO MUCH STAR WARS IN TOO LITTLE TIME WITH NOT ENOUGH THINKING AND PLANNING! THIS HAS TO STOP OR THEY WILL BE THE ONES KILLING STAR WARS.
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exactly. Just think of how much time had been between the first 3 movies, and how much between the originals and the prequels.
Star Wars(or A New Hope):1977
TESB:1980 - 3 years
RotJ: 1983 - 3 years again
TPM: 1999 - 16 years OMG
AotC: 2002 -3 years once again
RotS: 2005 - What a surprise, once again 3 years...
And all of them were in may... Never in December, just before the oscar... weird...
Then, let's see Disney...
TFA: 2015 - 10 years, but the movie itself was put together under just 1... AFTER A "TOTAL REBOOT" WHICH WAS A CARBON COPY OF THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS WITH A FEW SCENES FROM 5 AND 6 PLACED HERE AND THERE!!!!
Rogue One: 2016: 2016 - 1 year
TLJ: 2017 - 1 year
The untitled Han Solo movie: 2018 - 1 year
Episode IX: 2019 - 1 FUCKIN YEAR ONCE AGAIN!
AND IF IT IS NOT ENOUGH, THEY ALREADY PLAN AN ANOTHER UNNAMED Anthology film IN 2020!!!!
AGAIN 1 GODDAMN YEAR!
I am not angry. I AM FUCKIN CONCERNED ABOUT THE DIRECTION STAR WARS IS HEADING!
THIS IS A FRANCHISE I GREW UP ON! I ATE, DRANK AND BREATHED IT IN EVERY MOMENT OF MY LIFE! Heck, when I was going to kindergarten me and my friend not just knew every goddamn word of all 4 movies that were out at the moment, but we played one of them every goddamn day.
WE WANTED TO BE JEDI when we grew up goddamnit.
So believe me when I say it. THIS IS TOO MUCH STAR WARS IN TOO LITTLE TIME WITH NOT ENOUGH THINKING AND PLANNING! THIS HAS TO STOP OR THEY WILL BE THE ONES KILLING STAR WARS.
Exactly. It's really sad to say that I no longer feel the same about Star Wars than I did just a few years ago. It used to be such a huge part of my life, now it feels almost foreign to me.
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Exactly. It's really sad to say that I no longer feel the same about Star Wars than I did just a few years ago. It used to be such a huge part of my life, now it feels almost foreign to me.
Brought this up during a school Star Wars VS Harry Potter debate. Other side admitted Star Wars had become a cash grab.
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well, look up NASA's Commercial Crew & Cargo Program Office
Or as they call it C3PO
The world is run by a bunch of nerds :D
BEAT THAT, HARRY POTTER!
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Debate was 5 months ago, I was on the Harry Potter team, we lost.
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well, look up NASA's Commercial Crew & Cargo Program Office
Or as they call it C3PO
The world is run by a bunch of nerds :D
BEAT THAT, HARRY POTTER!
A. Who should it be Run by? Thrawn's revenge?
B. i like both, please don't offend either off them
Debate was 5 months ago, I was on the Harry Potter team, we lost.
can't say i am surprised, but it is shameful what Disney is doing to Star Wars. it should be called Disney Wars instead
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I compare the EU VS cannon to the empire(US Eu fans) vs the rebel terrorists(Disney)
we lost the Eu at the battle of Endor....
But we still hold out and keep fighting.
We are waiting for that moment to strike back...
SEIZE THIS TIME MY EU EMPIRE.
ASEND FROM DARKNESS
RAIN FIRE
SKIWER THE WINGED BEAST
WIELD THE FIST OF IRON
FREEDOM
(anyone gets this reference I be happy):)
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I love HP as well, don't misunderstand me. It is just Star Wars is better with classes
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Well Lucasflim is taking a marvel approach and having these movies come out every year. Thats why so see so many films, and I do agree it is quite concerning. There is a thing called product fatigue, and its probably going to hit Star Wars very soon, the reason why its so beloved is because the movies are so spaced out they can hit every generation. I was also under the impression that if Star Wars wasn't sold to Disney Lucas would've retired and that would in turn bankrupt Lucasflim and you get where the situation would go from there.
I do believe the story of 7 was a carbon copy, though. That's probably why I like it, but they could've done so much more with the new cast but they put themselves into a position where they're not expanding the characters, just rehashing Luke,Han and Leia. And unless we see something explained for this like reincarnation then it is bad writing. I love the new crew but they are limited by writing for the masses rather than writing for the sake of Star Wars.
There's always a sliver lining though, we've seen so many new people join the SW community its pretty surreal. I think that's one thing we have to be thankful for, new people means more dialogue for the new material and more people reading the EU to see why people are so passionate about it. Let's face it though, EU had big problems as well. No direct support from Lucas, no actual plan so there's always a mess in writing, a reborn emperor. And to top it all off the story never really ended to my knowledge it just kept going for no good reason.
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There's always a sliver lining though, we've seen so many new people join the SW community its pretty surreal.
New people I can't even begin to relate with though. Star Wars is no longer my playground, it's a playground for the new gen with their new canon. Fans like myself don't have a place anymore really.
I think that's one thing we have to be thankful for, new people means more dialogue for the new material and more people reading the EU to see why people are so passionate about it.
You really think new fans will read the EU? Why read something that didn't happen and will just confuse them when they can read something that is actually Star Wars (real response I've had from the "new gen" of Star Wars fans when I've tried to promote the EU). I give it 5 years tops before they stop keeping Legends material in print.
Let's face it though, EU had big problems as well. No direct support from Lucas, no actual plan so there's always a mess in writing, a reborn emperor. And to top it all off the story never really ended to my knowledge it just kept going for no good reason.
No direct support from Lucas was a huge problem, I agree 100%. However, to say there was no actual plan isn't really true. A lot of the mess in writing with the early novels had to do with the fact that there was no prequel trilogy that set down what things were like in the pre-Dark Times (hence timeline issues with the Clone Wars, Coruscant having beaches, etc). Other issues tended to be cross platform (say, a book and a video game had conflicts). As to the Reborn Emperor, yeah that was a weak plot, but so is: Luke runs away, Leia and Han split up, and everything the main characters in the original trilogy fought for is in vain because we are back to the place we started.
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yeah, that is true...
but, I, on the other hand, am a mess when it comes to placing myself
i grew up with the original trilogy, and slowly watched the prequels too. then, TFA comes out and i "loved it".
this was before i had read a single star wars book. i started reading those books and thinking, too bad these aren't in actual canon.
October of last year i joined the forums and started reading the opinions and thoughts of you guys, the TR family, and my feelings reversed. i saw TFA for what it was, and was extremely annoyed at disney for what they had done. Write their own thing, fine, but cutting off any support for legends, so we can't expand on the gaps in our universe was beyond obnoxious. Rogue One and the last episode of Rebels are the only Highlights i have seen that disney has put out, while legends has many more new stuff to explore and an amazing universe on top of that. I'm currently reading NJO series, but i still see disney as beyond ridiculous
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New people I can't even begin to relate with though. Star Wars is no longer my playground, it's a playground for the new gen with their new canon. Fans like myself don't have a place anymore really.
You really think new fans will read the EU? Why read something that didn't happen and will just confuse them when they can read something that is actually Star Wars (real response I've had from the "new gen" of Star Wars fans when I've tried to promote the EU). I give it 5 years tops before they stop keeping Legends material in print.
No direct support from Lucas was a huge problem, I agree 100%. However, to say there was no actual plan isn't really true. A lot of the mess in writing with the early novels had to do with the fact that there was no prequel trilogy that set down what things were like in the pre-Dark Times (hence timeline issues with the Clone Wars, Coruscant having beaches, etc). Other issues tended to be cross platform (say, a book and a video game had conflicts). As to the Reborn Emperor, yeah that was a weak plot, but so is: Luke runs away, Leia and Han split up, and everything the main characters in the original trilogy fought for is in vain because we are back to the place we started.
Okay you make a fair point I never thought about, it does seem like we are slowly being separated from the major Star Wars community, but I think thats due to the fans that are like FUCK YOU DISNEY EA FOR RUINING STAR WARS and just being childish about it and not actually taking a normal, calm response about it.
I also think Legends material still makes plenty of money otherwise they would never bring legends characters back from it.
And you're right about the issue with 7 and so on, I'm just saying EU isn't perfect though its treated like it.
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Ibut let me be honest I actually would have like a fixing of the EU.
Some of the contents are just real shit.
this is how I would have change the cannon this way.
everything up to the Pealleon-Gaverison-treaty would stay cannon. But I would take a approach that you have these disenfranchise Imperials who journey into the Unknown Regions to make a new Empire. They would wage a brutal war against the Empire of the Hand and we see they succeed in taking over half of the Wild space and Unknown Regions.
We then find out that the clone of Thrawn was a trick when Pealleon finds a piece of art sent to him by a unknown source, and it was made by Thrawn. After decrypting it Pealleon is given the location of the clone cylinders base and finds the real Thrawn. The real Thrawn explains that the art also shows a deceiving move in order to win the battle. He explains that he has been hiding out and gather old Imperial projects and contacting the Empire of the Hand preparing to fight the first order.
Then a different more unique TFA places out.
Also the Prequel/Rise of The empire Era I would leave up to them except don't change what affects the future.
DOES ANYONE GET THE REFERNCE!!!!????
I compare the EU VS cannon to the empire(US Eu fans) vs the rebel terrorists(Disney)
we lost the Eu at the battle of Endor....
But we still hold out and keep fighting.
We are waiting for that moment to strike back...
SEIZE THIS TIME MY EU EMPIRE.
ASEND FROM DARKNESS
RAIN FIRE
SKIWER THE WINGED BEAST
WIELD THE FIST OF IRON
FREEDOM
(anyone gets this reference I be happy):)
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Okay you make a fair point I never thought about, it does seem like we are slowly being separated from the major Star Wars community, but I think thats due to the fans that are like FUCK YOU DISNEY EA FOR RUINING STAR WARS and just being childish about it and not actually taking a normal, calm response about it.
I also think Legends material still makes plenty of money otherwise they would never bring legends characters back from it.
And you're right about the issue with 7 and so on, I'm just saying EU isn't perfect though its treated like it.
I agree with this. Fans on both sides of the issue take a very childish view of the other side, which makes things worse (huh, sounds like any divisive topic lol). And yeah the EU is in no way, shape, or form NEAR perfect. There are so many things in it that are severely flawed. However, when it comes to rebooting a franchise with a lot of problems without completely destroying everything I'd say Doctor Who is proof that it could have been done.
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ASEND FROM DARKNESS
RAIN FIRE
SKIWER THE WINGED BEAST
WIELD THE FIST OF IRON
FREEDOM
(anyone gets this reference I be happy):)
Nice Black Ops reference.
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Nice Black Ops reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XdpjgbWiHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlmlOky3lcU
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I agree with this. Fans on both sides of the issue take a very childish view of the other side, which makes things worse (huh, sounds like any divisive topic lol). And yeah the EU is in no way, shape, or form NEAR perfect. There are so many things in it that are severely flawed. However, when it comes to rebooting a franchise with a lot of problems without completely destroying everything I'd say Doctor Who is proof that it could have been done.
Yeah if you want to talk about childish views about a community, just look at the Dragon Ball community a lot of people over there are... something else. Don't get me wrong there are amazing people around that fandom but the loud minority is awful. I feel like if we had better views and more rational people, we could've seen legends be brought back in a good way. I have committed a sin and I have not watched Doctor Who so I can't comment on that.
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we have to give disney some credit though. the new version of the death star did not look like this:
(http://img14.deviantart.net/952b/i/2012/304/2/0/the_new_death_star_by_genzoman-d5jkxim.jpg)
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you and your pictures. we need a random pictures thread for this
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we have to give disney some credit though. the new version of the death star did not look like this:
(http://img14.deviantart.net/952b/i/2012/304/2/0/the_new_death_star_by_genzoman-d5jkxim.jpg)
The peak efficiency of the Death Star. You can fire three super lasers at all different angles
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The guys at Disney are idiots, cause they screwed up the Star Wars Universe. I say we sue them!
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Star Wars WAS messed up even before they got their hand on it.
It is just they are messing it up again and even more than EU did.
Which is frustrating, since they have the recipe in front of them and should only leave out the ingredients with the red circle around them
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Star Wars WAS messed up even before they got their hand on it.
It is just they are messing it up again and even more than EU did.
Which is frustrating, since they have the recipe in front of them and should only leave out the ingredients with the red circle around them
I'm not an optimist by any means, however I still have hope that the story will work itself out.
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I'm not an optimist by any means, however I still have hope that the story will work itself out.
You sound like a optimistic Imperial Pilot going "I got him I got h-" and then is shot down by a A-Wing.
Dave sounds like Wedge when we said blowing up the death star is impossible.
Now here is how I sound. I sound like the smuggler who is super useful yet you want to blow his fucking faceoff.
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You sound like a optimistic Imperial Pilot going "I got him I got h-" and then is shot down by a A-Wing.
Dave sounds like Wedge when we said blowing up the death star is impossible.
Now here is how I sound. I sound like the smuggler who is super useful yet you want to blow his fucking faceoff.
Invalid since you are already used that reference once haha, and I mean we still don't know where the full story goes yet so maybe it has a big pay off
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Anyone else want the Yuuzhan Vong? I mean I do, they were so unique with their biological ships and their hatred of technology, and their mass genocide tendencies as well as their backstory of the force pushing them out. And the vast scale of their world ships and their culture brought a breath of fresh air to the star wars lore
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Anyone else want the Yuuzhan Vong? I mean I do, they were so unique with their biological ships and their hatred of technology, and their mass genocide tendencies as well as their backstory of the force pushing them out. And the vast scale of their world ships and their culture brought a breath of fresh air to the star wars lore
Nope I extremely dislike the Vong, it was just a terrible plot device to keep the story of Star Wars going.
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Nope I extremely dislike the Vong, it was just a terrible plot device to keep the story of Star Wars going.
BURN THE HERETIC :P
If Dif Scaur is to be believed, they will be entering the Ascendancy universe at some point in time, so that's excellent news.
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BURN THE HERETIC :P
If Dif Scaur is to be believed, they will be entering the Ascendancy universe at some point in time, so that's excellent news.
lol to be fair I haven't read much about that era so sure you can chalk it up to misinformation
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lol to be fair I haven't read much about that era so sure you can chalk it up to misinformation
That was actually going to be my serious question to you: if you had actually read the NJO series.
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That was actually going to be my serious question to you: if you had actually read the NJO series.
Not really, expect from some things on wookiepedia along time ago. Must of my Vong experience comes from either being bored as a child and looking it up or comics. I might have to look into when I have the time
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nebulon-K
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dissident-class_light_cruiser
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maxima-A_class_heavy_cruiser
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lancer-class_frigate
FIRST ORDER SECTORS!
LANCERS
FYI the maxima-A is the sector one
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That was actually going to be my serious question to you: if you had actually read the NJO series.
I've read the first 2 books, want to get the rest, most of my info on that is from Wookieepedia/YVaW
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maxima-A_class_heavy_cruiser
FYI the maxima-A is the sector one
Now that it has been "pictured", we need better art of it! That offset bridge structure is rather unique.
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One thing is certain though they really nailed down the Voice Actor for Thrawn, like that was perfect casting. Now writing could've been a lot better.