Thrawn's Revenge
Imperial Civil War [Empire at War] => Discussion, Suggestions & Feedback => Topic started by: StarBornMichaelh165 on November 28, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
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Hello Again Everyone here is another Question about The ships of Star Wars like. The Subclasses like Assault Carrier Assault Cruiser And Battleships. And so on so yeah their are many different Ships out there that for each Faction that there could be a Imperial Battleship class out their. So here the question then should their be Name Subclasses Ships for The factions of Thrawns Revenge and can these warships be in The mod too.
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I'm confused and I don't think that I understand what you're trying to say.
Are you asking to rename the ships, or add new ships?
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I cannot comprehend the grammar, but i can assume that OP suggests to...Add a specific class of a ship to units description ? Perhaps, in the description for an ISD it should say "Class : Star Destroyer", but it also should be "Class : Dreadnought" for Bellator, at least according to the Anaxes War College System.That's what he meant, i think ?
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I'm confused and I don't think that I understand what you're trying to say.
Are you asking to rename the ships, or add new ships?
New ships but these Ships are Classified as different Ships like say an Imperial Battleship class or an Imperial Assault Carrier Class of ship think of it in that way ok.
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I cannot comprehend the grammar, but i can assume that OP suggests to...Add a specific class of a ship to units description ? Perhaps, in the description for an ISD it should say "Class : Star Destroyer", but it also should be "Class : Dreadnought" for Bellator, at least according to the Anaxes War College System.That's what he meant, i think ?
More or less but what I mean is a Different ship all together like imperial Battleship class or An imperial Assault Carrier class of ship that what I meant.
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This mod is build upon the Legends Canon.
In the old Legends Canon the ships were divided into different types and those types had different classes in them for example:
Corvettes:CR70 corvette, CR90 corvette
Frigate: Nebulon-B escort frigate, Lancer-class frigate
(Light) Cruisers: Bayonet-class light cruiser, Arquitens Light Cruiser
Heavy Cruisers: Vindicator-class heavy cruiser, Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser
Star Destroyer: Imperial I-class Star Destroyer, Nebula-class Star Destroyer and others
Battlecruiser: Praetor Battlecruiser, Allegiance Class Battlecruiser
Star Dreadnought: Executor-class Star Dreadnought, Assertor-class Star Dreadnought
See alos: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Capital_ship/Legends
So there is already a System in Place but, just like in real life, the Classes in those Types have there own names.
Just like in Real life.
In World War 2 there wasn't a German Battleship or an Amercian Battleship.
The had the Bismarck-Class Battlesip (Bismarck and Tirpitz) or the Iowa-class battleship ( Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois and Kentucky)
So there is no need for what you want because it is already in place.
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This mod is build upon the Legends Canon.
In the old Legends Canon the ships were divided into different types and those types had different classes in them for example:
Corvettes:CR70 corvette, CR90 corvette
Frigate: Nebulon-B escort frigate, Lancer-class frigate
(Light) Cruisers: Bayonet-class light cruiser, Arquitens Light Cruiser
Heavy Cruisers: Vindicator-class heavy cruiser, Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser
Star Destroyer: Imperial I-class Star Destroyer, Nebula-class Star Destroyer and others
Battlecruiser: Praetor Battlecruiser, Allegiance Class Battlecruiser
Star Dreadnought: Executor-class Star Dreadnought, Assertor-class Star Dreadnought
See alos: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Capital_ship/Legends
So there is already a System in Place but, just like in real life, the Classes in those Types have there own names.
Just like in Real life.
In World War 2 there wasn't a German Battleship or an Amercian Battleship.
The had the Bismarck-Class Battlesip (Bismarck and Tirpitz) or the Iowa-class battleship ( Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois and Kentucky)
So there is no need for what you want because it is already in place.
Oh well. ... I see what your saying And your right of course. But I thought there where more Ships The Factions of The warning Imperial Factions and the New Republic Had ever More class they can build.
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And you know wile I was look at the link you put in your post I look at it and I found something VERY interested. And it may just the thing New Republic needs for it's own BattleCruiser The Bulwark MK3.
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I wouldn't. maybe add the Mediator for Bellator counter and Independence class for SD counter and earlier power, but not Bulwark command battlecruisers. they were not common, and as far as I know they weren't used much. you could make a mod to add it in IF you want
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And you know wile I was look at the link you put in your post I look at it and I found something VERY interested. And it may just the thing New Republic needs for it's own BattleCruiser The Bulwark MK3.
Theoretically there are a lot more ships that could be added to the mod.
But if you would add all the ships in the Legends canon it would be waaaaay to much.
Plus some of the Ships wouldn't have a good counterpart.
It's all a rather fine line between balancing, work that need to be done to put them into the game and use of the ship.
Plus many ships fill the same role, so why would you want to have 3 ships that do the exact same thing, cost the same amount and are just named different.
As it is this mod has added a lot and in 2.2. a few more ships will be added so there is that ;)
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The Bulwarks (all of them) were just bad ideas. It was made for the 1998 Star Wars REbellion as a counter to the Executor, and then retconned that it was the MK 3 in that game in order to make it fit into the (at the time) canon without too much weirdness. But it was, and always will be, a bad design, and a poor job of kludging in a ship that shouldn't have ever existed in the first place.
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if you added every unit in legends to the game, it would no longer be ICW. it would be Alliance all over again
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I wouldn't. maybe add the Mediator for Bellator counter and Independence class for SD counter and earlier power, but not Bulwark command battlecruisers. they were not common, and as far as I know they weren't used much. you could make a mod to add it in IF you want
There are no Independent Class BattleCruisers as far as I know but Bulwark Mk3 was use by the Rebel Alliances and by the New Republic and they were in the Yuzan Zon Vong War as Combat Vessels and as Evac Ship for Evacuate Missions and then phase the ships out for the Mediator ok. Theoretically there are a lot more ships that could be added to the mod.
But if you would add all the ships in the Legends canon it would be waaaaay to much.
Plus some of the Ships wouldn't have a good counterpart.
It's all a rather fine line between balancing, work that need to be done to put them into the game and use of the ship.
Plus many ships fill the same role, so why would you want to have 3 ships that do the exact same thing, cost the same amount and are just named different.
As it is this mod has added a lot and in 2.2. a few more ships will be added so there is that ;)
I know that but not all of them just a few more Ships that can be add in to mod at some point Like a BattleCruiser For the New Republic in Earlier Eras. if you added every unit in legends to the game, it would no longer be ICW. it would be Alliance all over again
NOT LIKE that God no. I meant some Ships to be add in for Specific Roles that is what I mean ok. The Bulwarks (all of them) were just bad ideas. It was made for the 1998 Star Wars REbellion as a counter to the Executor, and then retconned that it was the MK 3 in that game in order to make it fit into the (at the time) canon without too much weirdness. But it was, and always will be, a bad design, and a poor job of kludging in a ship that shouldn't have ever existed in the first place.
I can see that as it is but the Rebel or New Republic had no choice in what ships they had at the time. So I still think it should be add in just up to Era 3 and then get replaced be a better ship that can do a better Role as BattleCruiser or just as good ok.
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Wait,there were Bulwarks MK3 ? I thought there were only 2 types of them (MK1 and MK2,obviously)...
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Wait,there were Bulwarks MK3 ? I thought there were only 2 types of them (MK1 and MK2,obviously)...
Yes their is Their is a link for Guderian first post and you indeed to look around for it in the wiki page ok. Or just go look it up at Star Wars Wikipedia ok.
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since you don't seem to know, the MC 80 Independence/Home One class of starships were they biggest ships the rebel alliance could operate before they morphed into the New Republic, Home One being the primary example, leading the assault on the death star 2 and staying in service till 21 ABY. these ships, which are in the mod (Home One) were more powerful then ISDs. I think, if they were produced, they should be a little more powerful than already portrayed, and made a 5 pop unit for eras 1-3 when they were used.
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since you don't seem to know, the MC 80 Independence/Home One class of starships were they biggest ships the rebel alliance could operate before they morphed into the New Republic, Home One being the primary example, leading the assault on the death star 2 and staying in service till 21 ABY. these ships, which are in the mod (Home One) were more powerful then ISDs. I think, if they were produced, they should be a little more powerful than already portrayed, and made a 5 pop unit for eras 1-3 when they were used.
The problem is that MC80's were unique. Each was it's own unique design, as were all the Mon Cal cruisers. It just so happens that there's only a few shown/detailed speciments, but they varied in size, armament, etc. So while the Home One was a threat to an ISD, others would be less of a threat, and there could be some that would be more powerful (although it's implied the Home One was the most powerful of the Home One style MC80's). So if the others were less poweful than Home One (which only was so successful and powerful due to it's fighters/bombers and plot bunnies), then they wouldn't be on par with an ISD by themselves.
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yes, each one was unique, however, each group/class of mon calamari ships was built and armed on a similar guide line, especially after endor. so, while each ship has some variation, they are also extremely similar, like in WW2 Yamato class battleships or any other class of big ships. sure, small armament changes here, different engines there, extra armor over there, but they are built and commission as warships on the same guide lines
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yes, each one was unique, however, each group/class of mon calamari ships was built and armed on a similar guide line, especially after endor. so, while each ship has some variation, they are also extremely similar, like in WW2 Yamato class battleships or any other class of big ships. sure, small armament changes here, different engines there, extra armor over there, but they are built and commission as warships on the same guide lines
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But with MC-80's you have some are 1.2 KM, some are 1.4 KM, some are even larger. This is more than a "small" variation.
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yes, which is why the whole series is not just MC80s, like the MC90s, MC60s, and MC40s. this was why their were the MC80 liberty class, MC80 Independence, MC80B, MC80A, wingless liberty, and so on. I'm pretty sure the MC80 designated technology level more than actual class. the MC80s are the most varied of ANY star wars region of ships I know of, but they were all on independent classes within the classification. otherwise, why have the Liberty class and MC80Bs if you have that attitude. their were at least 3 Home one/Independence class vessels at Endor alone, and I'm sure their were more. look up home one class on Wookieepedia, and you will see what I mean. maybe the wiki explains this better than me, but I'm pretty sure this explains it. again, after you check it, you can correct me. I won't, cause the wiki runs SO slow on my computer
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yes, which is why the whole series is not just MC80s, like the MC90s, MC60s, and MC40s. this was why their were the MC80 liberty class, MC80 Independence, MC80B, MC80A, wingless liberty, and so on. I'm pretty sure the MC80 designated technology level more than actual class. the MC80s are the most varied of ANY star wars region of ships I know of, but they were all on independent classes within the classification. otherwise, why have the Liberty class and MC80Bs if you have that attitude. their were at least 3 Home one/Independence class vessels at Endor alone, and I'm sure their were more. look up home one class on Wookieepedia, and you will see what I mean. maybe the wiki explains this better than me, but I'm pretty sure this explains it. again, after you check it, you can correct me. I won't, cause the wiki runs SO slow on my computer
And I agreed with you their that's basically what I'm talking about. But with the Imperial Warships for the factions in the mod but yeah I just want to see if their more Ships that can be add in to the Mod and not just For gameplay but for Canon as well so we can have a balance mod that's up to Canon standard ok.
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And I agreed with you their that's basically what I'm talking about. But with the Imperial Warships for the factions in the mod but yeah I just want to see if their more Ships that can be add in to the Mod and not just For gameplay but for Canon as well so we can have a balance mod that's up to Canon standard ok.
This mod uses ships from legends rather than canon, and I think that this mod doesn't need that many more ships. If the devs decide that there is a hole in a faction's unit list I guarantee that they will fill it, or ask for suggestions, but just adding in a bunch of ships for no reason pointlessly increases their workload and somewhat takes away from the mod itself.
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This mod uses ships from legends rather than canon, and I think that this mod doesn't need that many more ships. If the devs decide that there is a hole in a faction's unit list I guarantee that they will fill it, or ask for suggestions, but just adding in a bunch of ships for no reason pointlessly increases their workload and somewhat takes away from the mod itself.
I meant Legend Canon not Disney canon. But I do agree with you on pointless Units but at the same time I do believe in balance out a faction that is why I ask this question. Are their more units they can put in to balance out the Faction and at the same time are their more class of ships and Subclass of ships that can fill up the built bar When asking for suggestions form us .