Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => The Lounge => Topic started by: GrndAdmrlPellaeon on August 08, 2007, 10:11:34 AM
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Here ya go.
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NO.
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There is no such thing as Global Warming. it's just something to spooke people and have them fear.
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its propoganda that Al Gorey put out.
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exactly. They give us that bullshit so that people wouldn't waste so much.
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Can't you understand.
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it's all propaganda
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yep. And even if it were true it wouldn't affect anything during my lifetime so why should I care?
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exactly
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So why should we care/worry?
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but your gran kids will
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I doubt I will ever have kids but if I do and they have kids then it sucks to be them.
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I do belive it's true. Just look outside. Al Gore himself may be a complete hypocrite, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. If something does happen, it most likely WILL happen within our lifetimes unless you go get hit by a car or something. And if it's not reue, whats so bad about not polluting things, conserving resources, and advancing technology so things are both cheaper, work better, and don't pollute the world? Oil won't last forever, and you can't claim humans haven't affected the world in a bad way. For those who do believe in God here, how do you think he'd feel that humans are turning this planet into a complete cesspit?
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It is happening, just not at the rate politicians say it is.
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I'm quite sure that I die before I turn 40. Hell maybe even before I turn 30.
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It is happening, just not at the rate politicians say it is.
exactly faster much faster
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What purpose would Global warming serve as propaganda? What would scientists gain?
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not scientists, politicians, they want votes.
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Politicians gain the support of people. If temperatures are dropping than why was it warmer in 05 than 06? That means its fluctuating. If that is true than next year it could be cold. Although it is my beleif that this theory is false we should keep the Earth clean. It is a theory so people should treat it like one.
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Just because "it's a theory" doesn't mean we shouldn't act on it.
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Okay....
If it's true and we act on it: We all get to live and have a cleaner environment as well as new ways to use renewable energy so we all don't run out of oil one day and become screwed.
If it's all false and we act on it: We have a cleaner evironment and better technology. Cities like Detroit and Toronto won't be so polluted and unhealthy. Everyone lives longer.
If true and we do squat: Bye bye Earth, we're all fucked.
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How can you think its not real with all the evidence out there?
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Politicians useglobal warming as a reason for them to get the voters votes. Particularly tree huggers. Just as a fish to a worm.
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Notice how Al Gore isn't running for anything? I haven't seen many politicians (at least in the States) that give a shit about the environment or even pretend to. Especially among Republicans.
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Thats why im a republican
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I havent seen any politicians playing the global warming card
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Thats why im a republican
Because you don't care that we're killing ourselves, animals and the environment with pollution?
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Notice how Al Gore isn't running for anything? I haven't seen many politicians (at least in the States) that give a shit about the environment or even pretend to. Especially among Republicans.
In Finland we have this stupid party called Vihre
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that my frwind is why im a democrat i dont know about global warming but if we want to live we better clean up our act
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Well if minority does it, it won't help.
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its true its just happening incredibly slowly and anybody who says otherwise watch the news,read a book i have no idea who AL Gore is but hes got the world powers behind him
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Its not happening incredibly slowly, it will seriously affect us in like 40 years
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The reason Al Gore is making a big deal about is that he wants either a nobel prize or to cement his legacy.
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Nah. He doesn't care about that stuff, he plans to leave soon with all of the people who will go with him. The reason he's gained so much weight is he's trying to become a new planet to replace Earth.
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That is a very ambitious plan. I never thought about it like that, but who would want to live on al gore??
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I know Al Gore isnt the greatest but i think hes actually trying to help us just to help us
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yes, but i stand by my opinion.
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Its not happening incredibly slowly, it will seriously affect us in like 40 years
I'll be death by then. So why should I care.
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You mean youl be dead by thn.
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writing error. I don't apologize.
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You arent forgiven.
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like I care. I already said that I don't apologize. ;D ;D ;D
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Allright, back on topic.
In the future you don't need to ask for a correction if you understood what he meant.
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Global warming is best stalled by using Nuclear Power. don't use coal or whatever you use today. Demand more nuclear power. it doesn't pollute.
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Solar and wind (as in wind is blowing) power would be much better. They've got these wind (As in turn) up MP3 players in production, and there're theflashlights that you shake... Things like those save millions of batteries a year, saves people loads of money, and means you'd never run out of power.
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Solar and Wind power as of right now just cant generate enough electricity, but Fusion power is just around the corner, thats the answer
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I support fusion power when it is invented. until that I support nuclear power. It can be produces by large quantities. Solar and wind powers aren't so good as they produce little.
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With nuclear power, the us has a regulation that no new plants can be built because of waste. We can reuse over 95% of that waste in the reactor again.
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and what you can't use you could shoot it in space. there is room in there.
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or shoot it toward the sun. that would get rid of it.
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or invent a space rocket that uses nuclear waste as an fuel. A new era in space travel.
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Or bury it underground so it comes back to haunt us 100 years later
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They are burying it underground. Yucca mountain.
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nah. too expensive to drill it inside the ground.
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I know, i was being sarcastic
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They are though.
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but not all of it.
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What are they doin with the rest then?
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Who knows. they should launch it at the terrorists.
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They would more likely kill 10 million civilians than any terrorist that actually is worth killing.
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And depleted uranium wouldnt make much of a weapon
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I was just kidding. that would be a bad idea.
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Let's ask for Raptors opinion. He will support it and claims that only americans are smart enought to use it.
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Yes he would.
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let's wait till he comes and let's ask. It's great humor to read what Raptor writes. :laugh: :laugh:
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be nice boys
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I'm always nice to everybody. ::)
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Notice the " ::)" there. Of course Raptor does blindly follow ideas he is sometimes right. I would say only US had enough money to pay for that, although I agree that is stupid to even bother trying.
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I would say only US had enough money to pay for that, although I agree that is stupid to even bother trying.
What do you mean by that?
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My first statement meant that only US could afford it. My second statement meant that I thought that it was a stupid idea anyway.
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And I want to know that what is it that only USA can afford.
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And i want to say that the US is not, repeat NOT, the wealthiest country on Earth
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we have the biggest natinal debt pelleon
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im not so sure about that
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the us does look it up
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We have the largest debt, but just to clarify that doesnt mean we're in the hole, we have the money to pay it
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Uh, where?
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The federal reserve, you dont think the us lives paycheck to paycheck do you?
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Yes, I do...
"As of the end of 2006, the total U.S. federal public debt was $4.9 trillion. This does not include the money owed by states, corporations, or individuals, nor does it include the money owed to Social Security beneficiaries in the future. If intragovernment debt obligations are included, the debt figure rises to $8.7 trillion. If unfunded future obligations are added (i.e. Medicare and Social Security) this figure rises dramatically to a total of $59.1 Trillion [1]. In 2005 the public debt was 64.7% of GDP. According to the CIA's World Factbook, this meant that the U.S. public debt was the 35th largest in the world by percentage of GDP.[2] [3]"
Now, tell me where we have $8.7 trillion sitting around.
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Fine, i lose
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And some claim USA is the richest and most powerful country there is
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Sorry, this is going to be a very long post.
Global Warming, yes i do believe in it, although i dont believe human actions are necessarily the sole cause.
We do need to do something about the human influence, since it appears to accelerate the natural temperature fluctuations (at some points in history, the earth has been warmer than now, at others colder).
Nuclear fusion isnt "clean" energy, while it doesnt generate greenhouse gases (like coal, oil and gas), it does leave us with radioactive waste, which can be just as harmful to the environment (if not more so). The same will be true of nuclear fission if/when scientists are able to safely and efficiently put the theory into practice.
Renewable energy sources can provide a large proportion of our energy needs:
- Solar power is a huge source of energy! Think of the number of buildings in the world: Homes, offices, factories, public services (schools, hospitals, emergency services, transport), etc - if solar panels were put on all that roof space...
- Ground source heating can be used in many places to heat and cool buildings, while being much more energy efficient than conventional heating and air-con systems.
- Wind power, while reliant on an unpredictable and sometimes unreliable source, is well suited for use in areas without connection to national electricity grids.
- Hydroelectric power is reliable and can generate vast amounts of energy, and is not just restricted to large scale projects like the Hoover or Yangtze dams, it can work effectively on a much smaller scale, as shown by many small villages in African countries.
- Others that i havent mentioned, such as wave, tidal and geothermal power, can also be used.
With a combination of all these sources, it should be possible to generate a large proportion of our energy requirements without resorting to fossil or nuclear fuels.
On a much smaller scale, as Arbiter pointed out, kinetic energy can be used, such as shaking and winding up torches, mp3 players, etc. There is even a laptop under development that can be kinetically powered (via a winding handle) , while this is aimed at "third world" countries, with advances in technology the generation system could be improved and utilized for many devices in the "first world".
Energy generation is only one point, there are many other aspects to consider:
- Increasing building insulation and energy efficiency, the amount of energy needed would be reduced, which could lead to less use of polluting energy sources.
- Dare i mention public transport, reducing reliance on private cars reduces pollution and resource usage (remember there is a fast running out supply of oil).
- "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" - Reducing packaging, the amount of disposable products bought, Reusing products where possible (give unwanted items to charity shops or sell online *Ebay*), Recycling cans, bottles, paper, cardboard and other matter (this also saves energy since it requires less electricity to remake something from recycled material than to use raw material).
And that is just a few points, there are many other things that can (and should) be done.
If anyone wants me to provide links to anything ive mentioned, feel free to ask :)
EDIT: Its a shame the forum shop/bank doesnt work anymore, this post would have me very rich :P
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there are many good point there, Slornie. And I can say that I don't use a moped or scooter or whatever to move around, I use my bicycle. That ain't polluting. But I must say that building all those wind generators is costly and all those mills will make the landscape look stupid. And solar power must have huge mirrors to collect enough power for large cities. and they too are expenssive. At this point in my opinion the best choices are water and nuclear power. Both are plenty to have if people quit bicthing about nuclear power.
And isn't fission already in use? Aren't they trying to invent fusion power right now. if they do Then all energy problems are solved.
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But I must say that building all those wind generators is costly and all those mills will make the landscape look stupid. And solar power must have huge mirrors to collect enough power for large cities. and they too are expenssive. At this point in my opinion the best choices are water and nuclear power. Both are plenty to have if people quit bicthing about nuclear power.
Building any type of power station is expensive. I agree that too many wind turbines can damage the landscape, but so can many other things, and i ask would you rather have a nice clean wind farm or a potentially dangerous nuclear power station behind your house (if you lived in a rural area) ? And if more money was invested in solar power, it would become more efficient (and thus affordable).
And isn't fission already in use? Aren't they trying to invent fusion power right now. if they do Then all energy problems are solved.
I thought fusion was what we use at the moment, but i could be getting confused. I dont think they have completely overcome issues with fission, in that it currently takes more energy to start the reaction than they actually get out of it.
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I think they use fusion now. And I would rather live next to a nuclear power plant than a wind mill. There hasn't been major nuclear accidents that hasn't been caused by human error.
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I would rather live next to a nuclear power plant than a wind mill. There hasn't been major nuclear accidents that hasn't been caused by human error.
And of course that would be of great consolation to your vaporised body if the station went into nuclear meltdown - it wasnt the technology that went wrong, it was human error :P
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fusion is like in spider man 2, it is an unlimited energy source. Fission is what we use now. Fusion is possible, it just takes more energy to make than it produces.
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Sorry, i got fission and fusion the wrong way round, my points still stand if you switch them round :P
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solar and wind energy may be clean, but you cant just put a solar panel on a roof, its only really effective in certain areas
and fusion is the future, they're building a test reactor now which in a couple years will probably work
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I say YES!, to global warming.
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hm we have little choice but to believe it
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Remember, just say no
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I would rather live next to a nuclear power plant than a wind mill. There hasn't been major nuclear accidents that hasn't been caused by human error.
And of course that would be of great consolation to your vaporised body if the station went into nuclear meltdown - it wasnt the technology that went wrong, it was human error :P
How many nuclear plants have been melteddown by technology error?
solar and wind energy may be clean, but you cant just put a solar panel on a roof, its only really effective in certain areas
and fusion is the future, they're building a test reactor now which in a couple years will probably work
Solar power is quite useless in up here north. in winter we have sunlight a few hours.
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In fact, how many nuclear power plants have gone wrong at all?
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Noneif you don't count those human error things.
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Im saying all of them
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2 maybe 3. not that many.
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Compared to the amount of power plants out there? I used to live 5 miles from a nuclear power plant, i was fine with it
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I live 50 miles from one and it doesn't scare anyone I know.
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Two ofthe mostsevere nuclearthathave happened happened in USA and russia. chernobyl and three mile island things.
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And they didnt turn out so bad as to not warrant their use
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exactly. I trust nuclear power. I don't care what some hippies say.
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Nuclear power is the most economical, efficient process we have available now.
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And fusion we will be next, even better
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Unless it goes wrong and kills everyone, but that is unlikely.
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yes. bring in the fusion.
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I think fusion is practically foolproof, the only problem is getting it to work
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yes. but when they do get it work... all is well.
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Unfortuneately its on the expensive side and most countries wont be able to afford it
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well let's also hope they can make it less expenssive.