Thrawn's Revenge

Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: yutpaeksi on October 30, 2012, 05:01:48 PM

Title: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: yutpaeksi on October 30, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
The internet is about to explode.

I normally don't post here in the lounge, but by now I'm sure everyone has heard that Disney has agreed to purchase LucasFilms, for four billion dollars no less, and has announced they're going to make Star Wars: Episode VII.

Reactions? Joy? Despair? Anger? Fear of more Jar-Jar?
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on October 30, 2012, 05:07:21 PM
First I've heard of it.  And I hope its a badly scheduled April fool's!  Failing that, I hope George managed to get something in the contract retaining his right to veto future additions/alterations to his universe.

EDIT: And it is in fact true (http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd), with not only Episode 7 planned, but 8 and 9 too!
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: yutpaeksi on October 30, 2012, 05:20:33 PM
Yes folks, it's true. It's being reported everywhere. And sorry Slornie, but it sounds like for the four BILLION dollars GL got, he's completely giving up creative control.

And yeah a whole trilogy is planned but they're definitely slotting episode VII for 2015. Personally, I'm devastated most of all by the fact that a Disney-made Episode VII probably means they're going to ignore or just invalidate the entire EU, post RotJ.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: oxtyt on October 30, 2012, 05:27:47 PM
The Walt Disney Company Acquires LucasFilm; Star Wars: Episode VII Set for 2015#

From this article

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/30/the-walt-disney-company-acquires-lucasfilm-star-wars-episode-vii-set-for-2015

Disney announces in an investor conference call after today's announcement that they intend to make more than one new Star Wars movie, beginning with Episode VII in 2015 followed by Episodes VIII and IX "every other year" and then "we'll go from there."

I cant believe it, I am really happy and hopping that the new episodes to be better than of the prequels since Lucas now has no affect on the star wars universe at all.

Also this means we could see Thrawn in the big screen.

So what do you guys think? Do you think that Disney would do a good job with star wars saga (like marvel and avengers)? Or not?
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on October 30, 2012, 05:31:42 PM
And sorry Slornie, but it sounds like for the four BILLION dollars GL got, he's completely giving up creative control.
Probably, but he's signed up to be creative consultant on the new film so hopefully it won't be *too* terrible.

Personally, I'm devastated most of all by the fact that a Disney-made Episode VII probably means they're going to ignore or just invalidate the entire EU, post RotJ.
I'm certainly hoping that they will treat the expanded universe nicely and not just toss it away.  People have always talked about turning the Thrawn trilogy into movies, so they could start by doing that?

EDIT: Merged yutpaeksi and oxtyt's threads.

EDIT2: And possibly the best way to sum this up is this old thing:

(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/do-not-want.jpeg)
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: oxtyt on October 30, 2012, 05:46:50 PM
Comon It cant be that bad of a news. Which one of you never wanted to see the expanded universe in big screen. True most likely they will add their own twist to it but don't forget Lucas has had done enough harm to the star wars saga by saying he doesn't see any of the expanded universe books as canon.

Plus so far they did a pretty good job with marvel.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on October 30, 2012, 05:52:20 PM
Plus so far they did a pretty good job with marvel.
Yeah, but the films were created after the comics (and treated as a completely seperate universe), whereas the Star Wars Expanded Universe was created around the films.  Makes it somewhat different.

On the other hand, if they did do a live action Thrawn trilogy, who would people like to see playing Thrawn/Pellaeon/Mara Jade?
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: oxtyt on October 30, 2012, 05:59:36 PM
Well I would love to see Liam Neeson as Thrawn

I am more worried about how Harrison Ford and the rest of the original saga stars would play their roles again, when they are in their late 60s and 70s.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: MawDrallin on October 30, 2012, 06:02:39 PM
Since they are planning to release a new Star Wars Trilogy, I pray they hold it under tight scrutiny. Back when they made the Orignal Trilogy, theire was no EU to speak of (aside from Splinter of the Mind's Eye), and even during the Prequal Trilogy, even though the EU was heavily developed 0 BBY - 29 ABY, they set it from 32 BBY - 19 BBY, giving them freedom of creativity. Now, the EU is thoroughly developed all ways. The only time slots I can see them setting the movies in and still having freedom are:

*19 BBY -0 BBY-- The Dark Times, which is sparcely grown, with only a few books and one video game set during this time.

*4 ABY - 6 ABY-- The early New Republic era, though we have an accurate depiction of the New Republic's push to the Core, the major heroes of the movies (Luke, Han, Leia, Lando) haven't been recorded to do a whole lot in this time (despite the continuity-wise awful Jedi Prince series).

*10 ABY - 11 ABY-- During Operation Shadow Hand, with no content in this period aside from the Dark Empire comics, Disney would have relative creativity during this time, considering the only official source of info during this conflict are comic books, which the EU has overriden several times, and can do it again.

*12 ABY - 19 ABY-- The days of the Imperial Remnant, the Final Imperial Push, and the Caamas Crisis, it would be reasonable to place a movie in this period, as the only novels (that I can think of) set during this time are Starfighters of Adumar, The Crystal Star, the BFC Trilogy, the Corellian trilogy, and the Hand of Thrawn duology, giving the film makers a decent amount of freedom, and an entire year (15 ABY) is free, which they could set the film in.

*25 ABY - 29 ABY-- Considering Disney seems to like epic movies, I wouldn't put it behind them to set the trilogy during the Yuuzhan Vong War, which was apocalytic, so it might allow the folks at Disney to chance to venture into something they never have before: horror.

*45 ABY - 130 ABY-- With nearly a whole century of freedom, I bet you that the film makers will definately take a look at this time period.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Senza on October 30, 2012, 06:43:30 PM
Yes folks, it's true. It's being reported everywhere. And sorry Slornie, but it sounds like for the four BILLION dollars GL got, he's completely giving up creative control.

And yeah a whole trilogy is planned but they're definitely slotting episode VII for 2015. Personally, I'm devastated most of all by the fact that a Disney-made Episode VII probably means they're going to ignore or just invalidate the entire EU, post RotJ.

This is a good thing.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Corey on October 30, 2012, 06:47:50 PM
I'd imagine that the Lucasfilms staff is remaining more or less the same, so the decisions about continuity are more or less being made by the same people, with the exception of Disney taking Lucas' place, who was more involved in the projects nobody seems to like lately. Alternatively, it'll get entirely rebooted.


EDIT: Sorry, just realised that wasn't alarmist enough. OMG THEY KILLED STAR WARS I'M GOING TO GO FIND A BRIDGE BRB
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: JC123 on October 30, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Considering Disney's rather iron-fisted approach to copyright, I don't give the EU much of a chance on this one.  I even wonder what they might do to future fan mods and videos.  The best question to ask is:  Does a Thrawn trilogy or EU trilogy make more or less money than playing to younger audiences that haven't read the novels and are more familiar with the clone wars cartoon/cgi series?  It could be that an EU centered film would sell better.  I'm not a marketing expert though.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Corey on October 30, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Considering Disney's rather iron-fisted approach to copyright, I don't give the EU much of a chance on this one.  I even wonder what they might do to future fan mods and videos. 

That's a good point. Ascendancy might have to go back to being Ascension.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: JC123 on October 30, 2012, 07:53:07 PM
That's a good point. Ascendancy might have to go back to being Ascension.

heh, yeah, we'll have to tread more carefully now :P
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on October 30, 2012, 08:36:58 PM
This is a good thing.

I hope you are joking about destroying EU being a good thing. Well, I'm felling kind of queasy to be honest after I read this. Disney is going to be treading on thin ice here, because if they mess up VII then Star Wars is pretty much dead. Since they are calling them 7,8 & 9 I assume that they take place after RotJ. If they do a Thrawn trilogy I will be thrilled (which is a possibility since it is believed that the trilogy might have originally been 7,8, & 9). If they destroy post-RotJ EU I will disown Star Wars and become a Trekkie (at least they have the guts to admit that any books are non canon).
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Eclipse on October 30, 2012, 08:53:46 PM
Star wars future looks bad for me I hope that God/aliens or anything will make Disney do a good job
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Lord_jacob on October 30, 2012, 10:12:44 PM
I have a feeling that Disney is going to dumb star wars so far down and kid friendly that they will apologize for the movie just like they did for John Carter, which was actually not bad. so imagine all the star wars fans that will be raging
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Corey on October 30, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
Disney doesn't necessarily equal dumbed down. You're just thinking of their classic disturbing-yet-for-children movies. Bill Nye the Science Guy/Eyes of Nye was Disney. As many people have pointed out, Avengers was under Disney, Pirates of the Caribbean is Disney. Most importantly, Lilo and Stich was Disney.

You could say they've been primarily oriented towards kids, but even that's changed a lot since like 2007.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: yutpaeksi on October 30, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
It's not the "disney-fication" I'm concerned about. I'm from NYC and I saw what they did to Times Square! Good and bad...I can trust food I buy there now but I can't find strippers as easily....

I think what we really should worry about is the EU. Bantam's books are now heavily in play to be discarded. Disney has absolutely no control over any of that material except with the names of the characters from those books (from copyright). For business purposes I could totally see them completely discarding it, and building a new expanded universe over which they have total control. So for everyone looking to see Thrawn in live action. I'd say "Start writing letters to Disney". Thrawn, Bakura, Dark Empire (for those of you who like that ridiculous segment), everything, it could simply be gone. And to those of you who like the Legacy comics, realize that Dark Horse has worked with Marvel while under Disney, but they're independent. Which of course means that Disney can simply cut them off from the EU.

It is definitely Panic Time...for all we know, Episode VII will invovle time travel to post Endor times with Jar Jar...yeah that's right just think about that for two seconds and try your best not to hurl something against the wall!
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Meyer on October 31, 2012, 03:16:51 AM
I too fear is that they completely ignore the existing EU and create their own kiddie version on the lines of CW.
But hopefully they make their episodes fit into the EU. Watching the Thrawn trilogy on the big screen would be a dream come true.

So it's time to hope the best and prepare for the worst.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: yutpaeksi on October 31, 2012, 03:30:12 AM
<<preparing for the worst>>

...Maybe I'll become a Star Trek fan...
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Thrashia on October 31, 2012, 04:36:57 AM
There are a few things that I consider good about this:

1) Disney is a powerhouse and this could be a boon for Star Wars in getting more material out. (whether or not that material is good or bad will be determined later)

2) I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GET TO SEE EPISODES VII-IX! w00t!

3) I believe that there should immediately be a petition online for getting Joss Whedon as a writer for the trilogy and Christopher Nolan as director. That dynamic of a duo would be awesome for this trilogy.

4) If they don't work off of the Thrawn trilogy...no one has yet seen the fury that will be unleashed upon Disney Land.

5) Disney is taking a huge risk in this. It has to face with promising to release Episode VII-IX. If they fuck up on it, then they will immediately alienate the core target audience for later films and won't gain as much money from later projects. So they have to make every possible action to get it right the first time.

6) I think that is a grand idea to have a Fan Advisor or (maybe it would be better to have a Fan Advisory Board) a group -  so that one individual is never blamed for anything that isn't put into the movies - to be on scene during the writing of the film, its filming, and it's post production. That way all the fans can give in some input and Disney get's an immediate reaction to its decisions and can change them accordingly (or else).



EDIT: 7) Disney only bought Lucas Film, not the same company that made EaW so I think we're safe on the mod front.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Enceladus on October 31, 2012, 10:36:42 AM
EDIT: 7) Disney only bought Lucas Film, not the same company that made EaW so I think we're safe on the mod front.

It's not Petroglyph that worries us when it comes to copyright enforcement since they have no jurisdiction over anything Star Wars beyond their own code/art assets; it's LucasArts/Film (LucasArts is now owned by Disney as well). They have every right to shut down all fan based material if they wanted. It wouldn't be the first time a company has shut down a mod over intellectual rights (ie. all BSG mods on ModDB, Halogen etc.).
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on October 31, 2012, 01:47:06 PM
I too fear is that they completely ignore the existing EU and create their own kiddie version on the lines of CW.
But hopefully they make their episodes fit into the EU. Watching the Thrawn trilogy on the big screen would be a dream come true.

So it's time to hope the best and prepare for the worst.

Absolutely true, the Thrawn Trilogy would be awesome, but they could destroy everything that has been built since 1978. Let's face it, a lot of heretical fans (those that only believe in the unaltered IV-VI as canon) will hate it no matter what they do. People are already unhappy with the prequels for some reason, so in reality by announcing more Star Wars movies, Disney has put itself in a huge hole. It has to convince already doubting fans that its movies are worth watching as Star Wars. Therefore it would be in their best interests to, even if they don't base it on any of the books, at least not interfere with the EU. This will in my opinion make as many fans as possible like it. If they farm it, then Star Wars will be dead. The only problem I see in a Thrawn Trilogy is that the trilogy was more of a thinking man's war, and less BLAH!! LET'S BLOW UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND KILL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!, which is sadly the entertainment that most people enjoy today. In my opinion, even though I would love Thrawn, Disney would probably be safer with the Dark Empire saga, since it follows more of the scripted purely good or evil bit that people seem to enjoy; with Thrawn the distinction was always blurred.

<<preparing for the worst>>

...Maybe I'll become a Star Trek fan...


Even if you don't become one, I suggest you watch Deep Space 9. It is much less of the Rottenberry perfect land, and a lot darker (especially the later seasons). The tone of this series reminds me of what a good Star Wars movie should be like.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Senza on October 31, 2012, 04:12:02 PM
I hope you are joking about destroying EU being a good thing. Well, I'm felling kind of queasy to be honest after I read this. Disney is going to be treading on thin ice here, because if they mess up VII then Star Wars is pretty much dead. Since they are calling them 7,8 & 9 I assume that they take place after RotJ. If they do a Thrawn trilogy I will be thrilled (which is a possibility since it is believed that the trilogy might have originally been 7,8, & 9). If they destroy post-RotJ EU I will disown Star Wars and become a Trekkie (at least they have the guts to admit that any books are non canon).

You didn't look at what I said, I underlined the part where it said Lucas doesn't have creative control anymore. This is good. He's still on as a creative consultant, but.

Also, Star Wars has been getting kiddified more and more for years... don't get me started on what the Clone Wars tv show has done to the timeline.  Just stick to your headcanon... it's pretty simple.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on October 31, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
You didn't look at what I said, I underlined the part where it said Lucas doesn't have creative control anymore. This is good. He's still on as a creative consultant, but.

Also, Star Wars has been getting kiddified more and more for years... don't get me started on what the Clone Wars tv show has done to the timeline.  Just stick to your headcanon... it's pretty simple.

OK, I apologize that I misunderstood your meaning. And you are absolutely right about TCW, I hate it too. Now you know what I think is truly sad: the original trilogy was somewhat designed for children as well. I hate to admit it, but I don't think that many kids today would enjoy an Episode IV type movie. In my opinion, it is all these cartoons that children watch that are ruining them. They don't like good TV and movies anymore, and prefer things like TCW.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: yutpaeksi on October 31, 2012, 05:20:00 PM
Rumors suggest that Episode VII will be an original story (read: not derived from the EU). So that's both good and bad. Good because it might mean that the EU might not be affected directly and that nothing will be contradicted or destroyed. Bad because that means there's almost definitely no chance of a Thrawn trilogy in live action.

Again, this is just another rumor, but sounds fairly solid:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/31/star-wars-episode-vii-will-be-an-original-story
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Senza on October 31, 2012, 05:29:58 PM
I'm not surprised, and I don't really care. Everyone's got their own headcanon, I for instance find most everything in the Darth Krayt era to be stupid and rehashing and just pretend it isn't there, if someone else disagrees well that's fine, it's not like it's a big deal to me. Nobody can take headcanon from you, just stick to whatever version of Star Wars lore you like best. Matter, official canon does not! (slightly bad yoda grammar)

And Revan, it's okay, I understand, you probably weren't really looking for it.  Think about it this way, even if Star Wars does get kiddified more than it already is, some day those kids are going to grow up, and just maybe more people will be interested in the more mature side of Star Wars! Eh? Food for thought.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on October 31, 2012, 05:40:19 PM
Rumors suggest that Episode VII will be an original story (read: not derived from the EU). So that's both good and bad. Good because it might mean that the EU might not be affected directly and that nothing will be contradicted or destroyed.
It's equally likely that an "original story" will completely contradict the expanded universe.  Although, the way the Disney press release talked about the size of the Star Wars universe, with tens of thousands of characters and thousands of planets, it is possible that they are perfectly aware of the audience dedicated to the expanded universe and will try to avoid alienating them.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: mynameisyou on October 31, 2012, 06:00:11 PM
why would they make ther  own story when use some one elses and pleseing the fans makes more money :HA:
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Willhelm on October 31, 2012, 08:19:51 PM
Im most excited about what Disney land can do now.... star wars dogfight roller coaster anyone?? XD
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on November 02, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Just had another though: Does Disney/Lucasfilm have time to finish the 3D remastering of the remaining films before VII comes out? AotC and RotS are due out in 3D next year, but so far I haven't heard anything about the original trilogy.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on November 03, 2012, 10:19:51 AM
And on another note, here's an interview with Tomothy Zahn (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/02/star-wars-sequels-timothy-zahn/) talking about the new film's potential.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on November 03, 2012, 11:27:04 AM
So this is a good thing. The possibility of them ruining Thrawn has lessened and there's still a chance for the Trilogy after all. Personally, looking back at it, I think I found what they are going to do. Originally (supposedly) VII-IX were to be about the next generation, with an old Luke passing the Torch to someone else. I think that they will be set after FotJ, with an older Luke passing on the torch to Ben. I mean, look at it, it wouldn't even touch canon, be an original story, and follow the original plot of the sequels. Maybe that's why they don't have anything major planned to be written after FotJ.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Lavo on November 05, 2012, 02:49:08 AM
Also, Star Wars has been getting kiddified more and more for years... don't get me started on what the Clone Wars tv show has done to the timeline.  Just stick to your headcanon... it's pretty simple.
The first CW series, the non-CG hand-drawn 5-minute shorts one, wasn't half bad. The current one is quite... Terrible... To say the least. How well Disney will be to SW depends entirely on the plots of episodes 7-9; namely if they destroy the EU or not.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Thrashia on November 05, 2012, 04:29:31 AM
I would honestly be satisfied with them making their own story for 7-9 so long as they also agreed to do a solid 3 movies for the Thrawn trilogy. Even if its CGI or something. Seriously, that shit needs to be made.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on November 05, 2012, 01:28:36 PM
The first CW series, the non-CG hand-drawn 5-minute shorts one, wasn't half bad.
On this I have to respectfully disagree. The first CW cartoon was utterly terribad too.  All the OTT Jedi powers got really boring really quickly.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on November 05, 2012, 06:53:21 PM
On this I have to respectfully disagree. The first CW cartoon was utterly terribad too.  All the OTT Jedi powers got really boring really quickly.

But at least there was very little preexisting canon to destroy.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Thrashia on November 06, 2012, 01:46:54 AM
But at least there was very little preexisting canon to destroy.

Point to revanchist.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on November 06, 2012, 01:30:34 PM
But at least there was very little preexisting canon to destroy.
That doesn't stop it being terrible.  And even with the paucity of other Clone Wars canon around at the time it was created, they still managed to screw stuff up (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars#Continuity).

However, on a completely unrelated note. I wish this t-shirt wasn't only for women:

(http://content2.shotdeadinthehead.com/media/catalog/product/cache/7/thumbnail/464x/0dc2d03fe217f8c83829496872af24a0/i/m/image_16353_1_195315_1_11400.jpg) (http://www.shotdeadinthehead.com/inspired-by-disney-2flucasfilm-millions-of-nerds-womens.html)
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on November 06, 2012, 08:32:10 PM
I agree completely about that.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on November 16, 2012, 12:15:50 PM
Well, Michael Arndt... any thought, comments, predictions about our doomed future?
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Slornie on November 16, 2012, 12:44:42 PM
Well there's really two ways of looking at this. First is whether or not we think Toy Story 3 and the untitled Pixar movie is the direction we want to see Star Wars go. Second is, lets wait until we see how the second Hunger Games film turns out.
Title: Re: Disney buys Lucasfilm
Post by: Revanchist on January 05, 2013, 10:29:52 PM
Well, I think we know why Lucas sold out...in case you didn't know, he's getting married.