Thrawn's Revenge
Off Topic => Star Wars Discussion => Topic started by: Meyer on February 17, 2007, 02:26:00 AM
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I personal opinion is: Hell yes he would have won.
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Same, but moved to SW discussion.
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yes he could (and most probably would) - his grasp on tactics and strategies and how his opponents thought/planned etc are almost uncomparable - although he would have ended up taking losses
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Thrawn knew that something was wrong with the Nogri, so if he wasn't focused on killing the Rebels, then in my opinion yes he would have trounced the Rebels.
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and wasnt there something about a Golan defense platform that disappeared shortly before the battle (and was since discovered to have ben cloaked) - that would have given him an edge in the battle if he had had the oportunity to make use of it
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I thought that the station was stolen later on, and used to fight the Vong after capturing Jaina and ner squadren. I will have to read those books again to be sure though.
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it was found and salvaged during the vong war - and Jaina and her squadron were captured by the salvagers for the hyperdrives in their starfighters - but its mentioned that the station disappeared (cloaked) shortly before the NR attacked Thrawn there - i wonder what his plans were for it
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maybe for a surprise attack if Thrawn was forced to retreat from the battle, but since he died we will never know for sure. And for the record the only thing the salvagers wanted from the starfighters was a hyperdrive motavator cobbled out of all the x-wings motavators.
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he would of definitely won but i dont understand is how he didnt see rukh's ambush coming after that report
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You have to remember that Rukh, like all noghri, was very fast in his moves.
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even so, he should of had stormtroopers near by
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He did have stormtroopers near him, Rukh didn't even make it off the Chimaera.
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The stormtrooper that was a clone that had Thrawn's tactical sence knew an attack was coming by someone, but hedidn't know by who. His stormtrooper team were the ones who killed Rukh.
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Weird thing in Thrawn campaign is that he loses all the major battles like Sluis Van, Bilbringi.....
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maybe he does have a fault then - after he has his plan, based on the psychological stuff - he underestimates his enemies ?
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I just think it is because "good" has to win "bad". Otherwise Thrawn would have survived and destroyed Rebels.
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but is/was Thrawn 'bad' ? - he wasnt 'bad' in the same way that Palpatine and Vader were 'bad'
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no wasn't but he wasn't "a good hero who fought to bring down tyranny" as Leia Luke and Han. In Thrawn trilogy Thrawn is the main bad as he was Imperial Grand Admiral.
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no he didnt fight to bring down tyranny, he fought to restore order - personally i considered C'boath to be the 'evil' character in the Thrawn trilogy
Thrawn wasnt fighting for personal power or glory, he wasnt trying to subjugate 'alien' species, he didnt want to rule through fear - he was interested in galactic order, to provide safety and security for the diverse peoples - for that i dont consider him as 'bad' in any sense of the word
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Yes that is true, but as the leader of Galactic Empire he had to be defeated and therefore killed. I would have preferred that he would have survived.
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. I would have preferred that he would have survived.
same here stupid rukh i knew he was trouble
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According to The Hand of Thrawn, if his clone came out, they didn't know if he would want to go back to the Empire, or if he would side with the New Republic. Because as stated before, all Thrawn was interested in was restoring peace.
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He should have killed Rukh when Pellaeon suggested it.
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but that isnt Thrawn's style - he doesnt kill on a whim, or for personal satisfaction - he is just cold logic
i think it would be interesting if Zahn got to bring Thrawn back to life with the second clone that 'could' exist - with the clone knowing its a clone, and having self confidence issues, etc
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But Thrawn knew there was something weird in Noghri's. He said it himself. Thrawn-clone who will save the galaxy from Darth Krayt, my suggestion. Kinda farfetched
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yes - he knew there was something wrong - but he didnt know what - and it isnt his style to kill just because there might be some danger
who is Darth Krayt ?
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I haven't read any book or comic where he is but wookiepedia says this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Krayt
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well you could say it explains why the emperor was against aliens simply because he didnt trust him
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This vote is quite onesided.
Slornie what cloaked Golan was there
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have you read the posts i made earlier in the thread - shortly before the NR attacked the shipyards, one of the Golan defense platforms went missing. During the battle with the Vong years later, the Golan was rediscovered, it had been moved out of the way and fitted with a cloaking device. I therefore assume that Thrawn ordered the Golan moved and fitted with a cloaking device, it follows that he would have some sort of plan or strategy concerning it, which would have given him an edge later in the battle (had he not been killed by Rukh).
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Well he was the best military leader in the hisory of Galaxy. sounds something he would have invented.
I wonder how solo found the cloaked golan
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The people who had taken control of the golan had assembled a hyperdrive, but their ship was destroyed, so they dropped the cloaking shield to be noticed during the battle. Jaina and her squad went there to investigate. The hypersrive was missing the motivator only, and the people on the golan thought that they could assemble a motivator out of 7 x-wing motivators.
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where did you get that information?
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in one of the New Jedi Order books, can't remember which off the top of my head.
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its the latter half of the series as far as i can remember
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Was it the Lst Profecy
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Well in the battle the main reason Pellaeon retreated was the ships gettin in the shipyard, maybe Thrawn would have uncloaked that Golan right in front of the ships that got in
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That could have been his plan, but now we never know.
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I think the main reason they retreated was because their last hope had turned into a corpse, not sure about this one.
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They were equal forces but rebel forces were better motivated and lead after Thrawn's death.
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hm sometimes only high moral can win a battle
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not to mention that imperial forces were attacked from multiple directions and there was confusion after the death of Thrawn.
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it isnt numbers that win a battle
some centaur from the lion the witch and the wardrobe
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numbers can be decisive. In WWII Germany lost because aliies and Soviet union had much more tanks, airplanes and simply men to put to action.
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Or it could be the other way around, at Helms Deep the orc guys had like over ten thousand or something and still lost
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When the Sun shines irectly to your eyes and many hundred horseman are attacking you are quite died whatever your numbers are.
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Exactly, numbers arent everything
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Not if you have a line or 8 of people with shields and pointy sticks.
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numbers are important. Numbers are more important in a battle than Quality. But not everything.
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it depends, in some situations quantity is preferable to quality - for example if the droid army on Naboo in EpI had been comprised exclusively of the higher quality Droideka's (albeit in much smaller numbers), the outcome would have been considerably different. Whereas in the case of the Clone's executing Order 66, the quantity of clones against the quality of the Jedi won the day.
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But even the droidekas would have been shut down after the destruction of the command ship.
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i thought Droideka's could operate independently from a central computer ?
EDIT: before Naboo it was the norm for them to operate from a central computer, but after that debacle it was considered better to have then controlled independently.
But the point is, if they had Droideka's instead of the normal battle droids on Naboo, the Jedi Qui Gon and Obi Wan wouldnt have been able to rescue Queen Amidala, or release the pilots for the N1 fighters, in order to effect the eventual victory.
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I think they could have used Force to help them.
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maybe, but if it were that easy wouldnt they have done so when they were outside the bridge on the control ship ?
its well documented that many Jedi fled from Droideka's
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And I have always wondered why.
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Two double bareled blaster cannons and shields?
I sure would run from them
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they could just throw them around. but this has nothing to do with Bilbringi
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if thrawn had had time to unveil that gdp he could of won dead or alive
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propably but not neccesarily.
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Maybe shipyard warfare isnt Thrawn's thing, at Sluis Van, his plot with the miners is foiled and at Bilbringi he gets stabbed
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Sluis Van battle he lost because Lando was there and Bilbringi he knew there was something wrong in the noghri, he just didn't knew what.
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he still had bad luck both times
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a bit. But he was against gamblers
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and dont forget, there were Corellians there as well - and they have no use for odds :P
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yep.
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This is Thrawn not Bel Iblis it was a bunch of people who could not get a half decent job. he is a genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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general kenobi should go
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Yes and we'll have a farewell party