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Posted by: JC123
« on: August 22, 2012, 06:32:10 PM »

I know size isn't everything, and in the long run it's just preference of who would win, but that Borg cube is huge!  And then there's the fusion cube...

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Posted by: zadedx
« on: August 22, 2012, 06:13:39 PM »

Ok, how about this, ISD vs BORG cube. That would be worth seeing.

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Posted by: Revanchist
« on: June 17, 2012, 04:20:18 PM »

Actually, we're talking about the ISD II.
Posted by: fFoxfire
« on: June 17, 2012, 07:09:09 AM »

Tje Treik USS Enterprize cant even go toe to toe with a Battle-Cruiser from SC and that thing only uses lasers and a Super Powerful Yamato Gun. However for the sake of argument and the sake of entertainment there is only one Way I know that the Enterprise could survive an attack against an ISD-1.

The Enterprise would have to do my favorite tactic and use whatever weaponry id and attack the ISD from behind and take out its engines leaving it "dead in the water" at witch point enterprise would be able to escape before a Large wave of fighters came out of the ISD. However if I remember right(According to TR game play) ISD-1 only has x2 Due; Turbo Lasers and the next closest weapon is the anti star fighter quad Turbo Lasers witch even I know would do nothing to the Enterprise. Oh and the Tractor Beams are on the Forward part of the ship If i remember.

Still the fighters are the killing blow even if Enterprise can dodge the lasers cause we all know how accurate Imperials can be*cough* Stormtroopers* you cant dodge a swarm of fighters and bombers with only one ship. So in the end Zerg Rush w/ TIE= Death of USS Enterprise
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: June 14, 2012, 03:23:18 AM »

Unquestionably the Imperial Star Destroyer would annihilate the Enterprise with little to no effort.
I present the following arguments in favor of the ISD,

1)The ISD has more weapons of heavier power on it's bow than the Enterprise does in it's entirety.
2)Lasers are CONSIDERABLY more powerful in the SW universe than anything the trekkies have seen by comparison.(I.E. slagging surfaces of entire worlds on their own was standard procedure for an ISD)
3)The ISD has fighter and bomber squadrons(total of 84 fighters and bombers) in addition to assault shuttles and boarding parties while the Enterprise has six transport shuttles(unarmed as I recall). The concussion missiles and proton bombs of the TIE bombers would shred the Enterprise's shields and it was not built to counter fighter threats.
4)The ISD carries 9,800 or so Stormtroopers and can if need be transport them in battle via assault shuttles to the enemy ship. The Enterprise carries NO ground troops as I recall(Red shirts only count as meat shields)
5)The ISD has ion cannons which are specifically designed to knock out shields and the electrical equipment that runs a ship. The Enterprise would be stripped and defenseless in a single salvo, then ripped apart at the ISD's leisure.
6)The ISD has multiple tractor beams capable of holding a ship of Enterprise's size which would negate any maneuverability or speed advantage the smaller ship might possess.
7)The ISD can outlast an Enterprise in the supply area as well as it has enough consumables and supplies to run 6 years on it's own. So if it came to a chase the ISD could keep going long after the Enterprise's crew had run out of supplies.
8)Finally the sensors on the ISD were LIGHT YEARS(lol pun) ahead of the Enterprise's being able to detect with exact accuracy enemies on the far side of a system. If the Enterprise tried to run the ISD could most likely extrapolate their destination and be there ahead of them on their hyperdrive.

I've never liked the Trek but I based this off military study, knowledge of both SciFi universes and statistics without bias. The ISD comes out ahead in all categories, sorry trek, this round goes to Wars.
Posted by: Lord_jacob
« on: June 14, 2012, 01:20:07 AM »

Quote from: tlmiller on June 13, 2012, 09:28:51 PM
I'm a fan of the Star Wars universe, but going by canon in both universes:

Therefore, going by canon, a laser cannot penetrate the 1701-D's navigational shields, much less their tactical shields.

Hapans might fare better since they use Masers.

first off, Hapans have regular stuff last time i checked, it was the Eoth that had masers

Quote from: tlmiller on June 13, 2012, 10:15:38 PM
But by the time the Ions bring down the shields, the SD would have had 4 photon torpedoes blow through the reactor core and would have went ker-blammo.

and also, sheilds WILL break under enough pressure, and the Enterprise is kinda small. im pretty sure a meteor would obliterate the thing, so a fully armed ISDII would
Posted by: Revanchist
« on: June 14, 2012, 12:34:10 AM »

I believe the Star Destroyer would win. While it is true that in Star Trek, the lasers mentioned cannot penetrate shields, I believe the Enterprise would lose two reasons. First, the lasers on the SD are much larger than the ones the Enterprise encountered, and they are much more powerful, because the entire history of SW weaponry is focused on lasers. The octuple barbettes are supposed to be able to slag a planet, so just imagine what it would do to shields.

EDIT: Also, the ion cannons would easily drain the shields of a ship like the Enterprise. Second, the ISD has fighters, which could fly circles around the Enterprise and scramble its targeting system. Fighters could also shoot down any photon torpedoes launched. The bombers could then come and annihilate the shields and weapons, leaving the ISD to finish it off. I suspect, however, that the ISD would still take heavy damage.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: June 13, 2012, 10:15:38 PM »

But by the time the Ions bring down the shields, the SD would have had 4 photon torpedoes blow through the reactor core and would have went ker-blammo.
Posted by: Zsinj
« on: June 13, 2012, 09:40:18 PM »

But these are turbo lasers and they never said anything about the ion cannons from what i remember. so the ions will bring their shields down and the turbos will finish it off.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: June 13, 2012, 09:28:51 PM »

I'm a fan of the Star Wars universe, but going by canon in both universes:

Quote from: Picard
Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields. Don't they know that?

Therefore, going by canon, a laser cannot penetrate the 1701-D's navigational shields, much less their tactical shields.

Hapans might fare better since they use Masers.
Posted by: Lord_jacob
« on: June 13, 2012, 07:53:54 PM »

the Enterprise would be gone with 1 or 3 shots
Posted by: Zsinj
« on: June 13, 2012, 07:28:59 PM »

Well i have watched star trek a few times and i have noticed that its not their largest ship but it is very nimble. The star destroyer is a lot bigger than the Enterprise and has more powerful weapons. but the star destroyer may have a hard time hitting the Enterprise but if it would hit it there would be a lot of damage done to the Enterprise so i would think the Star Destroyer would win.
Posted by: Revanchist
« on: June 13, 2012, 06:36:38 PM »

All right, here is the ultimate Trekkie/ Star Wars fan argument. Who do you think would win in a battle between the ISD II and the USS Enterprise? I'll put my choice later.

Is it the ISD II? this massive flagship of the Empire was equipped with an amazing array of weaponry, including ion cannons and the devastating octuple-barbette turbolasers. It also carries a full wing of fighters/bombers. However, it has an exposed shield generator, is slow, and cannot always bring all its guns to bear of a single target.

Is it the USS Enterprise D? The iconic Starfleet vessel, this supposed exploration vessel is packed with weaponry. It has phasers, a full compliment of antimatter warheads, and a competent commander. It is maneuverable, and has a 360-degree firing range. However, it does not have as much firepower as the Star Destroyer, and has no fighters or bombers.
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