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Posted by: DarthRevansRevenge
« on: April 01, 2017, 10:15:59 PM »

Quote from: CaptainPogo on March 29, 2017, 03:05:41 PM


And before anyone says anything about how the Rebels won despite the odds so the Vong should win since they in turn beat the New Republic...Please think of how absurd that logic runs. The Rebels and the Vong are very different in how they fight and likewise the New Republic and Galactic Empire are two different beasts. You simply cannot compare and make assumptions base on that. So for the love of pete, do not assume the Vong would know the Empire's weaknesses the same way the Rebels do.

the reason the rebels had a advantage is a large number of their troops and commander were imperial deserters, so they KNEW the empire inside and out and still had their rear handed to them multiple times. so, compared to the rebels, they vong would still have lost
Posted by: CaptainPogo
« on: March 29, 2017, 03:05:41 PM »

What Han said was funny but woefully inaccurate. The Empire united as it was is simply too much. There is a reason why the Rebel Alliance were too hesitant to do full open warfare despite the growing support of their forces.

And before anyone says anything about how the Rebels won despite the odds so the Vong should win since they in turn beat the New Republic...Please think of how absurd that logic runs. The Rebels and the Vong are very different in how they fight and likewise the New Republic and Galactic Empire are two different beasts. You simply cannot compare and make assumptions base on that. So for the love of pete, do not assume the Vong would know the Empire's weaknesses the same way the Rebels do.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: March 28, 2017, 09:42:59 PM »

Well even Nom Anor mentions it was advantageous for the Vong that the Empire was defeated as he mentions they would have proved a far more difficult enemy-what with lacking moral compass and hesitation on nuking planets rather than losing...
Posted by: Director Krennic
« on: March 28, 2017, 07:19:48 PM »

I'd say no since there is a theory the Death Star was meant to blow up Vong Ships. I think the empire would lose a lot but fight hard and maybe even win if they were smart, (Although The alliance killed so many smart Imperials.
Posted by: Ordinarygamer96
« on: March 05, 2017, 02:28:51 PM »

The Vong would have gotten destroyed not just because the imperial military would be insanely OP but also because one of the main reasons the NR had trouble in the first place was political infighting. The Emperor would have committed everything and beaten the Vong in under 6 sixth months pretty easy and wiped the vong from existence.
Posted by: DarthRevansRevenge
« on: March 03, 2017, 08:48:59 PM »

Quote from: kucsidave on March 03, 2017, 05:48:43 PM
Giving extra time would actually help the empire, which is in a RAPID EXPANSION. I think the invasion would commence quite a few years earlier.
My reasoning is that the First DS was built(+R&D) in 20 years. The DS II(+R&D) would have been fully built in maybe 5 or 6.
If we use the same logic, and the fact that the DS III from my previous scenario wouldn't need much research. So I believe the DS III would have been built within 3 years after the 2nd one.
After that, who knows.
I also believe, that knowing about the Vong, Palps did not built the DS to reduce rebellion, but to counter the worldships.
And there are the world devastators too.
A few of them start to chew up the remains of one of those suckers, and the IA (Imperial Army) expands while the Vong just had a mayor loss.
And let's face it. If there are no plot bunnies on the rebels' side, then the empire wins. With the Vong, there surely won't be any plot bunnies.

I also like your ideas, but I don't think Luke would have fell to the dark side. I think the emperor would have killed him with force lightning, and Vader would have remained his apprentice. Maybe after Luke died, he would fully embrace the dark side, and be even more powerful. I think he would remain loyal to Palpatine after that and they would most possibly even find the technique to become truly immortal.

ok, maybe the extra time wouldn'y be involved, but i was saying, what if the Plan worked to perfection, not feasibility. anything else, ill analyse later
Posted by: GreyStar
« on: March 03, 2017, 06:59:02 PM »

The DS was being designed by Geonosians before the Clone Wars, far before Palpatine learned from Thrawn and the Chiss that the Vong were coming... Unless there's something about the Outbound Flight incident I'm unaware of.
Posted by: kucsidave
« on: March 03, 2017, 05:48:43 PM »

Quote from: DarthRevansRevenge on March 03, 2017, 02:53:14 PM
using the forces number i have, the yuuzhan vong would probably try and spend another year to incite rebellion and build/grow forces. they would build more, smaller ships to escape superlasers.
Giving extra time would actually help the empire, which is in a RAPID EXPANSION. I think the invasion would commence quite a few years earlier.
My reasoning is that the First DS was built(+R&D) in 20 years. The DS II(+R&D) would have been fully built in maybe 5 or 6.
If we use the same logic, and the fact that the DS III from my previous scenario wouldn't need much research. So I believe the DS III would have been built within 3 years after the 2nd one.
After that, who knows.
I also believe, that knowing about the Vong, Palps did not built the DS to reduce rebellion, but to counter the worldships.
And there are the world devastators too.
A few of them start to chew up the remains of one of those suckers, and the IA (Imperial Army) expands while the Vong just had a mayor loss.
And let's face it. If there are no plot bunnies on the rebels' side, then the empire wins. With the Vong, there surely won't be any plot bunnies.

I also like your ideas, but I don't think Luke would have fell to the dark side. I think the emperor would have killed him with force lightning, and Vader would have remained his apprentice. Maybe after Luke died, he would fully embrace the dark side, and be even more powerful. I think he would remain loyal to Palpatine after that and they would most possibly even find the technique to become truly immortal.
Posted by: DarthRevansRevenge
« on: March 03, 2017, 02:53:14 PM »

alright, time for me to get back in.

using the forces number i have, the yuuzhan vong would probably try and spend another year to incite rebellion and build/grow forces. they would build more, smaller ships to escape superlasers.

on the empire side, we would probable see the sith be removed from the chain of command and be like second-level emperors, While Grand Admiral Thrawn would get like a Admiral of the Empire rank and be supreme commander, with Zsinj being added to the Grand Admiral ranks. with this, Thrawn's superior tactics would decimate the vong and shorten the war to 2-3 years. the Vong would probably take as much territory, but never be able to get close enough to coruscant, kuat, byss, or Centerpoint. eventually, the Night Hammer(in this timeline a mega SSD for Luke that is 25,000 meters long, 5,000 meters wide, and about a kilometer+ tall, using a scetch similar to the Legacy class SSD that is in alliance mod and every SSD would be upgraded to), Palpatine would lure the vong to a planet and demolish them in a storm of Superlaser and Turbolaser firepower, before enslaving the entire race and establishing peace and complete tyranny throughout the galaxy
Posted by: Revanchist
« on: March 03, 2017, 12:39:09 PM »

Would the Empire have won? It's possible, but only if Palpatine was removed from the picture. His growing obsession with the quest for immortality would have been a major issue.
Posted by: kucsidave
« on: March 03, 2017, 12:20:26 PM »

Sorry, Slornie, but I disagree.

To be honest, there is no question here. THE EMPIRE WOULD REIGN SUPREME!
The fact that the rebel Alliance attacked, would even help the empire in this case. The threat from within would drive the citizens of the empire into paranoia, and even more would enlist into the military. Don't forget that History is written by the victor, so if the empire wins, then the rebels would be written off as radicals, and the empire would be able to tighten their grip further in every system, in the name of eradicating the last members of these radical groups. Even after the last rebels would be captured, it wouldn't stop. Propaganda holonet transmissions would tell about "newly captured rebels", even if this would be nothing but a lie to further the empire's goals, and they could also use this as a method to find people whom WOULD rebel in the future.
Also don't forget that war usually brings technological advancements, which are being implemented in other areas in peacetime. Since that peace never came with the NR, we don't know how much it would have improved the life of the average citizens, but we know that it would most possibly doubled the imperial economy
From one side, the clearly rebeled worlds like Mon Calamari would have paid war repentions to the Empire, and their skilled shipbuilders would have been enslaved. The empire would also be able to get their hands on the last remaining A-, B- and X-wings too, and reverse-engineering them they could produce even more advanced fighters.
The Defender was planned to be regularized, just with the Emeror's death and the empire's fracturing, it became impossible.
With the rebels gone, however it would be not just possible, but probable.
With the TIE fighters being replaced by Defenders, and the Interceptors by the combined Rebel-Imperial technology, the Empire would have the same quality fighters as the rebels, and now for a very low price, as Companies would have nothing else, but accept the empire's will. This would come from Incom's defection, and their most possible live execution on every holonet-network.
With the Deathstar II finished, I believe the empire would also learn something from this attack, just like at Yavin. The deathstar shield worked marvelously. I believe that the Empire would also start the construction of the new Deathstar III keeping this in mind, it being equipped with shields and an even more advanced reactor to compensate for the shield's energy drain.

The war with the rebels would also lead the even faster expansion of the Imperial fleet, so the stuff you have written in the beggining would (I think) be even a conservative estimate, and the numbers would probbably be WAY HIGHER.

I think the most prominent advancements in the average citizens' life would be the advancements in the Droids (prominent by Darktrooper projects) and medications at the beggining. Then better trading, as even more trade routes would have been set up, and even more planets being found. Also, this would allow the even faster mapping of the unknown region and maybe even in the Wild Space.
The biggest advancements, however were in the targeting computers. I think the fact that the DS I was only able to target placets, while the DS II was able to target the size of a fishtank with it's superlaser is an astounding advancement. An advancement which would most possibly be used to equip all the ships with better targetting computers, therefore being even more effective.
The Eclipse and Sovereign classes also proved that a superlaser can be mounted on ships.
I think that most SSD classes would be built, or if already built then modify to house a superlaser.
Remember what happened after the clone wars. The empire could manage a rapid expansion, the state was stabilized from being in the brink of collapse(I know it transitioned from republic to empire, but both financially and combat power wise was the same strength), and solidified it's hold on the known galaxy. This would repeat itself, just with an even better rate. The empire was far from collapsing at Endor. If Palpatine would have survived endor, the empire could have afforded to wage war against the rebels for a long time. It was only the chaos after his death that brought the empire to it's knees.

So basically, yes. It is pretty clear that the empire would have won.
Posted by: Slornie
« on: March 03, 2017, 12:09:26 PM »

Quote from: Mr.Puerto on March 02, 2017, 08:07:59 PM
I'm guessing the Empire easily, since Palpatine was working toward those super weapons to defeat the Vong for when they would come invade.
I think Han has the perfect answer to that statement:

"What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong–killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
―Han Solo, to Vana Dorja

 :angel:
Posted by: Illidan Stormrage
« on: March 02, 2017, 10:44:41 PM »

Guys to put it simply FUCKING THRAWN could win that war.
Posted by: Octavian Krieger
« on: March 02, 2017, 09:13:32 PM »

Well think, if he plopped a World Devastator on a worldship, it'd be able to push out Dark Troopers while it ate the 'planet', that there would damper the Vong a good bit. There's also the fact that the later superweapons were developed in an effort to keep them from shitstomping the Empire when they eventually showed up.
Posted by: Mr.Puerto
« on: March 02, 2017, 08:07:59 PM »

I'm guessing the Empire easily, since Palpatine was working toward those super weapons to defeat the Vong for when they would come invade. 
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