Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: May 06, 2014, 08:18:51 PM »It all comes down to money
Posted by: Corey
« on: May 06, 2014, 07:14:36 PM »The fact that there were a decent number of Order 66 survivors didn't really surprise me, especially considering they spend a decent amount of time in episode 3 reversing the beacon, so it's not terribly unrealistic. What does seem kind of ridiculous is how few of them seemed to do anything for the next 60 years and that they pretty much took over the New Jedi Order sometime around where Luke's death would have been.
Eitherwho, had they just done what happened with Star Trek and essentially rebooted the entire franchise, it wouldn't be as bad, but with this there seems to be some weird selectivity with what does and doesn't get included so it's more of a split with a few connecting threads. Early EU had a problem with being too gung ho Monster of the Week with no real emotional weight or depth until the Vong War, which I maintain has the best overall setup of any Star Wars series. They'd even started developing nuances in what it means to be the bad or good guy. I was sort of hoping this new universe would start with that emotional depth and character nuance, but it seems like they're doing a complete 180 on that and amping up the cartoonish caricatures to 11, literally, and trying to make the whole universe into a more kid-friendly place because MERCHANDISING! while still trying to squeeze as much cash out of the pre-existing series as possible with the "legacies" title. It's absolutely double dipping. I'm honestly not terribly concerned about preserving the integrity of the lore here, because let's face it, the EU was a mixed bag and it's pointless to deny that; I've spent enough time dealing with this universe's stupid inconsistencies and utterly weird shit to know that first hand. If they felt it made more creative sense to reboot the universe, that's their call and it's something I could get behind; we've done similar thing ourselves with the mod, and despite some initial skepticism from the community, I feel like we've made the right calls there. Instead this just seems like a move out of laziness leading to unwillingness to incorporate existing material into the new movies, as that would cut into the inevitably gigantic lens flare budget which they're feeding by releasing new stories that can tread over the exact same events of the EU.
Eitherwho, had they just done what happened with Star Trek and essentially rebooted the entire franchise, it wouldn't be as bad, but with this there seems to be some weird selectivity with what does and doesn't get included so it's more of a split with a few connecting threads. Early EU had a problem with being too gung ho Monster of the Week with no real emotional weight or depth until the Vong War, which I maintain has the best overall setup of any Star Wars series. They'd even started developing nuances in what it means to be the bad or good guy. I was sort of hoping this new universe would start with that emotional depth and character nuance, but it seems like they're doing a complete 180 on that and amping up the cartoonish caricatures to 11, literally, and trying to make the whole universe into a more kid-friendly place because MERCHANDISING! while still trying to squeeze as much cash out of the pre-existing series as possible with the "legacies" title. It's absolutely double dipping. I'm honestly not terribly concerned about preserving the integrity of the lore here, because let's face it, the EU was a mixed bag and it's pointless to deny that; I've spent enough time dealing with this universe's stupid inconsistencies and utterly weird shit to know that first hand. If they felt it made more creative sense to reboot the universe, that's their call and it's something I could get behind; we've done similar thing ourselves with the mod, and despite some initial skepticism from the community, I feel like we've made the right calls there. Instead this just seems like a move out of laziness leading to unwillingness to incorporate existing material into the new movies, as that would cut into the inevitably gigantic lens flare budget which they're feeding by releasing new stories that can tread over the exact same events of the EU.
Posted by: Settra
« on: May 06, 2014, 06:32:36 PM »For what it's worth K'Kruhk would be the longest survivor since they didn't actually ever kill him, he's still kicking after the defeat of Krayt. But never fear Order 66 lovers since that is all legends now we know of no survivors outside of Obi and Yoda
Posted by: Carnivore Jacques
« on: May 06, 2014, 04:30:02 PM »Actually, in the Legends continuity, there were as many as 54 Order 66 survivors.
Many died or were converted during the Galactic Civil War, but a few managed to outlive Darth Vader.
Vima-Da-Boda and Empatojayos Brand are the two which come to mind, though there may be more. I don't think Dass Jennir was ever killed or converted, although I haven't read the end of Dark Times so he could have been. I think Quinlan Vos ran away and was never heard from again if that counts. Then you have Celeste Morne, who I think managed to survive for the longest time after Order 66.
Then you have the Order 66 survivors who turned Sith, but not because of any effort on the Empire's part. Notable examples include Vergere and A'Sharad Hett.
Not even Yoda and Obi-Wan survived as long as the above did. I'm sure the list gets much bigger when you include those who managed to survive nineteen years after Order 66 - I'm sure there's a few of those in the Force Unleashed games.
Now, hopefully, Lucasfilm Story Group won't let too many Jedi slip through the cracks. So far, none of the old jedi survive past 3 ABY, with the possible exception of the guy from Rebels.
Also, I'm just dying to hear that Inquisitor say something like "I'd be Emperor by now if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Many died or were converted during the Galactic Civil War, but a few managed to outlive Darth Vader.
Vima-Da-Boda and Empatojayos Brand are the two which come to mind, though there may be more. I don't think Dass Jennir was ever killed or converted, although I haven't read the end of Dark Times so he could have been. I think Quinlan Vos ran away and was never heard from again if that counts. Then you have Celeste Morne, who I think managed to survive for the longest time after Order 66.
Then you have the Order 66 survivors who turned Sith, but not because of any effort on the Empire's part. Notable examples include Vergere and A'Sharad Hett.
Not even Yoda and Obi-Wan survived as long as the above did. I'm sure the list gets much bigger when you include those who managed to survive nineteen years after Order 66 - I'm sure there's a few of those in the Force Unleashed games.
Now, hopefully, Lucasfilm Story Group won't let too many Jedi slip through the cracks. So far, none of the old jedi survive past 3 ABY, with the possible exception of the guy from Rebels.
Also, I'm just dying to hear that Inquisitor say something like "I'd be Emperor by now if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: May 06, 2014, 12:09:45 PM »Clearly Order 66 failed since there are so many jedi that survived, also I really hope they haven't change the story of the rebellion doing this, If Disney take the creation away from the force unleashed i'm going to go mad.
Well to be fair it had a 99% success rate, so less than 90 Jedi survived, and of those most were killed within a few years by Vader, the Inquisitors, or the Empire and bounty Hunters in general so by Episode IV only Obi Wan and Yoda remained. I'd say order 66 was quite successful.
Oh wait...I forgot all the intervening years are now NON CANON, maybe your right, maybe order 66 just killed the dozen or so jedi in episode III and the other 8,982 survived...Kriffing Disney
Posted by: Meyer
« on: May 06, 2014, 12:00:12 PM »And again a show for the children which portrays the "evil" Empire being nothing more that bunch of stupid soldiers who don't know their own equipment led by a person who has elaborate schemes and plans which are always foiled by the heroes one way of another. And this makes me so sad.
Posted by: Revanchist
« on: May 06, 2014, 09:47:44 AM »Wow, that was actually painful... The stormtroopers are so dumb, they don't even know what a thermal detonator is. And they couldn't hit a guy standing all of six feet away from them, who wasn't even dodging.
I apologize for my earlier optimism, I should have known better.
Apology accepted, Waffle Wagon.
Posted by: Waffle Wagon
« on: May 06, 2014, 09:16:34 AM »Wow, that was actually painful... The stormtroopers are so dumb, they don't even know what a thermal detonator is. And they couldn't hit a guy standing all of six feet away from them, who wasn't even dodging.
I apologize for my earlier optimism, I should have known better.
I apologize for my earlier optimism, I should have known better.
Posted by: Mat8876
« on: May 06, 2014, 04:52:46 AM »Clearly Order 66 failed since there are so many jedi that survived, also I really hope they haven't change the story of the rebellion doing this, If Disney take the creation away from the force unleashed i'm going to go mad.
Posted by: Revanchist
« on: May 05, 2014, 10:41:50 PM »Only part I liked was when the Imperial commander was like: "concentrate all your fire on . . . On the Jedi!"
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: May 05, 2014, 09:15:02 PM »Looks HORRIBLE...
Posted by: Revanchist
« on: May 05, 2014, 08:58:26 PM »And speaking of the "new canon," here is the Rebels trailer:
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Posted by: Slornie
« on: May 04, 2014, 10:29:37 AM »So I was just looking at Wookieepedia, and came across these two lists.
Timeline of Legends media
Timeline of Canon media
How long will it take for that second list to catch up with the first? Also, I'd never really considered how much of the Expanded Universe is contained within the various comics!
Timeline of Legends media
Timeline of Canon media
How long will it take for that second list to catch up with the first? Also, I'd never really considered how much of the Expanded Universe is contained within the various comics!
Posted by: Xizer
« on: May 03, 2014, 05:28:16 PM »Did Wookieepedia roll that quote out last time George meddled with the Original Trilogy for a special edition too?
Should have. George has become the very thing he swore to destroy.
Posted by: Slornie
« on: May 03, 2014, 05:22:50 AM »Did Wookieepedia roll that quote out last time George meddled with the Original Trilogy for a special edition too? 