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Posted by: Corey
« on: February 16, 2016, 03:05:34 PM »

Not going to address everything, but:

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Super Class Star Destroyer
a 8km long version of the Executor class that is still well armed, but is more affordable for the resource strapped warlords.

This isn't a real ship. It's a result of the confusion people had before the official length of the Executor was determined, and it's been since confirmed that "super class star Destroyer" is just an unofficial term for the Executor. The official retcon is that it was an Imperial attempt to trick Rebel Intelligence by understating what the Executor actually was.

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Procurator class star destroyer
a 1200m long version of the ISD that has fewer heavy guns, but mounts them all in the centerline giving them a much better firing arc.
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There's a slim chance you'll see the Procursator since the team already made a model for Ascendency.  No chance for the Procurator.

Correct on the Procurator, the slim part of the Procursator is incorrect. It will be in 2.2.

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Shree/Namana/Bakura.
For the Shree, only one was captured at Bakura (Shriwirr/Sibwarra) and it stayed with the NR. They used it to invade the already-invaded Ssi-Ruuvi territory, and it was never heard from again.  No chance the Warlords ever got them, or that the NR even made major use of them. As for the two Bakuran ships, they were only used by and at the discretion of Bakura, with only three ever really going outside of Bakura to do anything. Not to mention that their designs are from Cracken's Threat Dossier, so they're unique combination of terrible and not really canon which only that book has managed to achieve.

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TIE Phantom
A stealthy TIE variant that mounts a cloaking generator allowing it to mount surprise attacks or flee undetected. It mounts a shield generator and a hyperdrive. it is armed with 5 laser cannons.
These stopped being a thing even before Endor. They couldn't be made anymore.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: February 14, 2016, 10:36:24 AM »

Quote from: Lord Xizer on February 14, 2016, 04:15:05 AM
Actually Grunger was one of the top Grand Admirals. He had been a fleet commander all through the Clone Wars and all the Expansion campaigns of the Empire undefeated. It even says in the Essential Guide to Warfare he was one of four appointments to Grand Admiral that made the most sense. Also it wasn't just to Pitta's Torp shere he faced at Tralus, it was the entire Corellian sector fleet that had sided with Pitta. According to the accounts they wiped each other out. His decision to ram Pitta was also based on not just wounded pride. In losing so much of his fleet Grunger lost his power base compketely, one of the larger Warlords would have killed him easily at that point. He was doomed by battles end so he decided to take the wrecker of his ambitions with him to Hell. True he sacrificed his men, which I find deplorable but I admire his willingness to die to take his enemy with him.

Never heard about his past success.  Still think he's an infantile, immature carbon wastage though.
Posted by: kucsidave
« on: February 14, 2016, 10:27:39 AM »

Quote from: Lord Xizer on February 14, 2016, 07:55:58 AM
Nice banner pic you got there Kucsidave. Very team Warlord of you.
Of course. When I saw the Zsinj profile I couldn't help myself :D
#TeamWarlord
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: February 14, 2016, 07:55:58 AM »

Quote from: kucsidave on February 14, 2016, 07:47:30 AM
nice ship ideas, just sadly none of them would make much sense(including the typo) except the Vengeance which is already in game as Jerec's flagship, but it would make sense to keep that as unique...

Nice banner pic you got there Kucsidave. Very team Warlord of you.
Posted by: kucsidave
« on: February 14, 2016, 07:47:30 AM »

nice ship ideas, just sadly none of them would make much sense(including the typo) except the Vengeance which is already in game as Jerec's flagship, but it would make sense to keep that as unique...
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: February 14, 2016, 04:15:05 AM »

Quote from: tlmiller on February 14, 2016, 12:57:00 AM
I like to call Grunger Grand Admiral Worthless.  He did nothing of note that was ever in the books, and his only moment of note is when he was nearly destroyed by a far inferior ship, until, in an infantile tantrum, decided to kill himself and all his men just to deny someone else a victory.  He's the kind of useless leader that would lose his executor class in a battle against a single Invincible-class dreadnaught.  He just strikes me as being a completely hopeless, pitiful carbon wastage.

Actually Grunger was one of the top Grand Admirals. He had been a fleet commander all through the Clone Wars and all the Expansion campaigns of the Empire undefeated. It even says in the Essential Guide to Warfare he was one of four appointments to Grand Admiral that made the most sense. Also it wasn't just to Pitta's Torp shere he faced at Tralus, it was the entire Corellian sector fleet that had sided with Pitta. According to the accounts they wiped each other out. His decision to ram Pitta was also based on not just wounded pride. In losing so much of his fleet Grunger lost his power base compketely, one of the larger Warlords would have killed him easily at that point. He was doomed by battles end so he decided to take the wrecker of his ambitions with him to Hell. True he sacrificed his men, which I find deplorable but I admire his willingness to die to take his enemy with him.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: February 14, 2016, 12:57:00 AM »

I like to call Grunger Grand Admiral Worthless.  He did nothing of note that was ever in the books, and his only moment of note is when he was nearly destroyed by a far inferior ship, until, in an infantile tantrum, decided to kill himself and all his men just to deny someone else a victory.  He's the kind of useless leader that would lose his executor class in a battle against a single Invincible-class dreadnaught.  He just strikes me as being a completely hopeless, pitiful carbon wastage.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: February 14, 2016, 12:14:19 AM »

Quote from: tlmiller on February 13, 2016, 07:16:47 PM
That would be Grand Admiral Pitta, who's torpedo sphere was destroyed (along with Pitta) in the aforementioned battle of Tralus by Admiral Grunger ramming it with the Executor-class Agressor.

I actually wrote out a probable way the battle played out from Grunger and Pitta's POV

http://xizerthegrey.deviantart.com/art/Battle-of-Tralus-Grunger-vs-Pitta-572685545
Posted by: GEARREX_11
« on: February 13, 2016, 09:28:39 PM »

The Eye of Palpatine was built expressly as a dreadnaught only thing it has in common with torpedo spheres is it sphere shape. the Eye would make a neat addition to the era 5 IR as a unique ship and you would aquire it in a similar way to the Knight Hammer capture a particular planet and the Eye is added to your fleet. This would be in line with the time period the Eye was reactivated in to try and add it to the IR navy but was destroyed en rout to its destination to link up with the IR fleet.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: February 13, 2016, 07:16:47 PM »

Quote from: GEARREX_11 on February 13, 2016, 04:06:24 PM
I think the Torpedo Sphere would be a neat addition to the though I get what you mean about it not being intended for ship vs ship combat. I think though it was almost never used to just attack planets. One minor warlord whos name escapes me used one as his flagship and decimated all his rivals. I am just choosing to remain hopeful though I would understand why it would not be added.

That would be Grand Admiral Pitta, who's torpedo sphere was destroyed (along with Pitta) in the aforementioned battle of Tralus by Admiral Grunger ramming it with the Executor-class Agressor.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: February 13, 2016, 06:30:40 PM »

Quote from: GEARREX_11 on February 13, 2016, 04:00:19 PM
Blitzer Harsk (hope I spelled that right) made 2 super star destroyers of his own Dominion and Megador. and he is one of the smaller warlord factions that is not included here so its not out of the realm of possibility that they could get some of the dreadnaughts. plus most of them already had dreadnaughts Palpatine used them during operation shadow hand in which many were destroyed. Thanks for catching my misspelling on the procursator BTW :) As for the Eye of Palpatine it would actually be a unique vessel as only one was made so it could be a one off ship that you can get as the Imperial remnant if you capture a particular planet much similar to how Daala gets the Knight Hammer.

Harrsk did not build Megador and Dominion, he captured them and didn't even have the manpower to crew them.
Eye of Palpatine would just be a larger Torpedo sphere and as stated the spheres were not used against ships(save once at the Battle of Tralus)
The Asserter and Mandator III were extremely limited in production as was tge Vengeance class. All three of those classes only appeared right before Shadow Hand and most destroyed each other in the Imperial Mutiny.
Posted by: GEARREX_11
« on: February 13, 2016, 04:06:24 PM »

I think the Torpedo Sphere would be a neat addition to the though I get what you mean about it not being intended for ship vs ship combat. I think though it was almost never used to just attack planets. One minor warlord whos name escapes me used one as his flagship and decimated all his rivals. I am just choosing to remain hopeful though I would understand why it would not be added.
Posted by: GEARREX_11
« on: February 13, 2016, 04:00:19 PM »

Blitzer Harsk (hope I spelled that right) made 2 super star destroyers of his own Dominion and Megador. and he is one of the smaller warlord factions that is not included here so its not out of the realm of possibility that they could get some of the dreadnaughts. plus most of them already had dreadnaughts Palpatine used them during operation shadow hand in which many were destroyed. Thanks for catching my misspelling on the procursator BTW :) As for the Eye of Palpatine it would actually be a unique vessel as only one was made so it could be a one off ship that you can get as the Imperial remnant if you capture a particular planet much similar to how Daala gets the Knight Hammer.
Posted by: Eclipse
« on: February 13, 2016, 12:57:02 PM »

Besides other than delvarus (I think) most of those huge ships couldn't be affored for any warlord at all, so I'd say that your first 6 ships would be out of consideration, as for timeline I'm not very good with it.

Also victory II, same with the missile boat I think is already in game and adding the tartan cruiser would be the same as the lancer frigate, it would just occupy a build place button so doubt the team would even consider re-adding it since it was in the original game
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: February 13, 2016, 10:19:39 AM »

The Vengeance class dreadnought is already in the game, it is Jere's ship.

I can't speak for the team, but I don't believe they plan on doing any more models for battlecruisers/dreadnoughts that only a few were ever produced (Assertor, Mandator III).  The Torpedoe sphere was designed for planetary siege, not ship to ship combat (although yes it was capable of it, it's not what it was designed for).  You confused the Procurator and Procursator.  The Procursator is the 1200 km long hangerless destroyer with the batteries placed so that it actually does focus on firing to the front.  The Procurator is an ancient Battlecruiser design that's 2.5 km long.  There's a slim chance you'll see the Procursator since the team already made a model for Ascendency.  No chance for the Procurator.  They were ancient by the time of the clone wars, although they did get regular updates to keep them relevant, I believe they stopped getting the updates with the design of the Praetor (which was, in itself, phased out for the Praetor-II that is in the game).  The Namana and Bakura are BARELY existing in the timeframe of the mod, and would be an era-5 unit only, which means it's useless to give them to the Warlords.  Plus they only assisted the galaxy at large in a couple confrontations, they were never sold outside Bakura.  Star Galleon, while armed, was a troop transport.

That's what I can see straight off.
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