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Posted by: Pali
« on: January 20, 2016, 06:58:26 PM »

Actually Rey did seem to get quite angry in the first part of her fight against Ren (the bit where she was losing), but then when Ren mentioned the Force (re: training her) you can see her mentally step back and calm herself and feel the Force (and then starts to win).

Exactly my point. :) Rey is absolutely pulling on the Light side here, not the Dark.
Posted by: Mat8876
« on: January 20, 2016, 03:54:16 PM »

I know many people said that J.J Abrams did a remake of A New Hope but maybe he is making star wars into the original plot i.e. George Lucas did want at the end of RotJ for Luke to put on Vader's mask and join the sith so maybe that will happen with Rey.
Posted by: Slornie
« on: January 20, 2016, 02:13:04 PM »

Also, Rey is very clearly not giving into anger at the end, nor any other time we see her consciously use the Force, but instead becomes calmer and more focused, exactly as a Jedi should
Actually Rey did seem to get quite angry in the first part of her fight against Ren (the bit where she was losing), but then when Ren mentioned the Force (re: training her) you can see her mentally step back and calm herself and feel the Force (and then starts to win).
Posted by: Guderian
« on: January 20, 2016, 03:46:49 AM »

A rather interesting Theory.
Not sure if it will come true but it would be interesting to see and a cool Plot-Twist.
Posted by: Pali
« on: January 19, 2016, 08:10:39 PM »

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Now as I'm sure we've all presumed from that first teaser, the awakening of the dark side refers to Kylo Ren. But wait... why would Supreme Leader Snoke be telling Kylo Ren, the apparent subject, this statement after what is a very long time since Kylo learned how to use the force and long into his service to the dark side? That's like saying to my first-born child "Mummy has given birth to you and your new baby sister".

Snoke says this is a fairly reflective tone, which in all of my viewings I interpreted as him pondering on whether the rise of his dark side forces (Ren particularly) had to be mirrored by the rise of someone in the light.  The Awakening always seemed to be a direct reference to Rey specifically, as Finn at no point shows any Force abilities.  Plus, Finn's hardly a natural in firing with the TIE Fighter - most of his shots are fairly wild and not aimed at anything in particular.  On the Falcon's guns, Finn manages to shoot down one TIE on his own that was coming straight at him (the easiest target possible, as anything else would require deflection considerations), but the other TIE is less his kill than Rey's - she lined it up, he only pulled the trigger.

Also, Rey is very clearly not giving into anger at the end, nor any other time we see her consciously use the Force, but instead becomes calmer and more focused, exactly as a Jedi should (edit: Finn, on the other hand, goes into the fight pissed off and quickly loses).  Contrast that with how Luke wins at the end of RotJ, where he certainly lets his anger take over for a minute and only at the last second holds back from crossing the line completely, yet in the new canon it doesn't seem that Luke ever went dark.
Posted by: Mitthrawnuruodo
« on: January 19, 2016, 07:36:30 PM »

I've just been thinking about that line from the first teaser of The Force Awakens, you know:

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There has been an awakening... have you felt it?

The dark side... and the light.

But then I remembered when this line takes place in the film, who said it to who, and now the significance of it has hit me. Here's a transcript of the scene in the film:

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Supreme Leader Snoke: There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?

Kylo Ren: Yes.

Supreme Leader Snoke: The dark side, and the light. The droid you seek is aboard the Millennium Falcon in the hands of your father, Han... Solo.

Kylo Ren: He means nothing to me.

Supreme Leader Snoke: Even the Knights of Ren have never faced such a test.

Kylo Ren: By the grace of your training I will not be seduced.

Supreme Leader Snoke: We shall see, Kylo Ren. We shall see.

Now as I'm sure we've all presumed from that first teaser, the awakening of the dark side refers to Kylo Ren. But wait... why would Supreme Leader Snoke be telling Kylo Ren, the apparent subject, this statement after what is a very long time since Kylo learned how to use the force and long into his service to the dark side? That's like saying to my first-born child "Mummy has given birth to you and your new baby sister".

Now there's something else about this scene that I think adds to this theory. Notice how Snoke changes the subject right after that statement to the subject of Han Solo, and whether Kylo is ready to kill him - Ren stating he's ready, and Snoke voicing his doubt. What Snoke is implying to Ren is that he's replaceable - someone else out there has attuned to the dark side and if you're no good to me, perhaps he/she will be.

But wait, that would mean the force awakens in two different people, one the light side, the other the dark. And we only see Rey using the force in the film. But hang on. Remember the scene where the Millennium Falcon first takes flight with Rey at the helm and Finn on the guns? They both manage to pull off incredible and unlikely feats in their positions, and afterwards, they voice their disbelief and appraisals to each other - Rey, the force-sensitive, is as astounded at Finn's skills as he is with hers. Also notice how Finn, having never been in a TIE Fighter before, is also a natural at gunning in that? Sure, Poe says it's the same as firing a blaster, but come on, there should be more of a learning curve to it than that!

So if both Rey and Finn have the force, which one is the dark and the light? Isn't the answer obvious?



Rey

And here's why. The dark side grows in power within you if you give in to your anger. Which character showed more anger in the film? Finn, the guy who refused to kill civilians? Or Rey, the girl who attacked Finn because of the jacket he was wearing and shouted "you monster!" at Kylo Ren? And what do we know about the dark side? It's a shortcut to power. Rey is more powerful with the force than Finn because she's on the dark side. Neither Finn nor Rey have had training, but her anger is giving her power.

And one more thing, something which is a clear link between her and the dark side. What does Kylo Ren use as a totem to the dark side? Darth Vader's helmet. What else that belonged to one Darth Vader makes an appearance in the film? His lightsaber, the one that he used to kill younglings and the one Luke Skywalker lost before he became a fully trained Jedi. Notice how eager Kylo Ren is to get his hands on it. Why? Because it's another symbol of the dark side.

So folks, don't get to liking Rey too much, because she's going to turn to the dark side, and it's probably up to Finn to turn her back before the end of the trilogy.
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