Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: December 23, 2012, 08:48:47 PM »I myself place them in the Capital ship class for those same reasons
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: December 23, 2012, 12:34:18 PM »They're tweeners. They're the largest capital class in the game, bordering on being a super. But they're (comparative) lack of weapons and still having destructible shields and engines will always have me classify them as caps and not supers.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: December 23, 2012, 10:38:13 AM »Preators are capital, not super class, right?
Posted by: Corey
« on: December 22, 2012, 11:25:54 PM »I was referring to the Praetor. I usually include it as a supership, but included it there because I know some people classify it as a capital ship, and he was making the argument that the Empire of the Hand has too few capital ships, so I wanted to debunk that using the more generous definition for the other factions.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:07:20 PM »Venators and Victories are heavy frigates in this game. MTC is a heavy frigate also.
Posted by: negativ21
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:53:55 PM »Yeah but im pretty sure that they are classing the Praetor as a super ship, so I dont think thats it. Its either one of the Victories or the Venator, or maybe the ModTask.
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:30:23 PM »IR has Praetors in at least 1 era.
Posted by: negativ21
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:11:24 PM »Wait you said that the IR has 5 capital ships? what is the 5th, I know the ISD I and II, the Dominator, and the Tector, but whats the fifth one? is it the praetor or one of the victories.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: November 22, 2012, 09:52:39 PM »That might work
Posted by: Corey
« on: November 22, 2012, 04:49:46 AM »Quote
it also means I have the WORST time actually COMPLETING any GC's with them before the freeze.
Pox and I have actually discussed this a bit. I may have posted this elsewhere, however for the Art of War GCs we're thinking of narrowing down the victory conditions, so you don't necessarily have to conquer everything. I might also redesign the PA versions of these GCs to fit them better (more focus on the CSA territory paths for some stuff we're adding, less in the galactic south and focus conflicts along different chokepoints since the existing ones are more conducive to completing the game as the other 3 factions) and cut down the chance of the freeze that way.
Hopefully some of the additions we're making to them will solidify their themes a bit more, as well.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: November 22, 2012, 01:29:54 AM »And now you know and knowing is half the battle!
Posted by: Eclipse
« on: October 06, 2012, 10:21:58 PM »I must say that the Pentastar Allignamente IS NOT OVERPOWERED. They are actually, as Corey said, the weakest faction in space. In ground they are ok. And about the capital ships and all that, I'm a fan of star wars and I would say that I know a lot but this guys (Corey, and all the other people that made the mod) are definitely experts on star wars. Before playing this mod I had no idea of who was Jerec, Ardus Kaine, Empire of the Hand and all that stuff wich shows a lot of star wars story and also an unknown story
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: September 21, 2012, 10:14:43 AM »The PA has new ships, but they are insignificant as they are not capital ships. Why would Thrawn spend tons Of resources to build a floating blob of super-sized triangles when he can destroy one with minamal effort? Ysane Isard was he stupid one, she thought launching a virus on a planet would help, but at the end she failed, and was not able to keep her prisoners both after and before. Wedge remarked in the Bacta War that Corran made it out so easily that it made Kessel look like a resort. Isard wasted so much resources that could have been used by Thrawn to utterly destroy the NR's floating blobs of wired shapes. Palpatine failed dearly, right start from killing Darth Plageuis too early. Daala used brute force-Again a wage of resources. Palleon worked fine with diplomacy. You realise how majority of the IR leaders thought that by simply enlarging their triangles, they would win? Thrawn was the only one capable of waging war, tactically and economically. Apparently most of them thought that the resources were as infinite as from 19BBY-4ABY.The EoTH were largely based on Chiss tech, which showed no evidence of gigantic ships, but rather much superior tech and strategy.
To be fair, Thrawn was not the only master of Warfare the IR had that was effective. Both Warlord Zsinj and Grand Moff Ardus Kaine were very effective Militarily and economically. Zsinj was beaten through treachery and VERY VERY bad luck. Kaine was assassinated while being forced to follow orders from the Reborn Emperor that left him vulnerable. Both waged very effective campaigns against the NR with Kaine actually being undefeated(having won 12 major battles against the NR in the Outer and Mid Rim before pushing into the Core.
Both founded Empires that were self sufficient and powerful enough to challenge both the IR and NR while Holding their own. Both were killed before their time more by circumstance and plot rather than due to their enemies tactical abilities. I think that next to Thrawn, Kaine was one of the best tacticians with Pellaeon and Zsinj rounding out the top 4. Grand Moff was after all a military title more than a governor one and both Zsinj and Kaine were Grand Moffs AND Admirals too.
Posted by: StarWarsSupremeCommander
« on: September 21, 2012, 08:34:59 AM »The PA has new ships, but they are insignificant as they are not capital ships. Why would Thrawn spend tons Of resources to build a floating blob of super-sized triangles when he can destroy one with minamal effort? Ysane Isard was he stupid one, she thought launching a virus on a planet would help, but at the end she failed, and was not able to keep her prisoners both after and before. Wedge remarked in the Bacta War that Corran made it out so easily that it made Kessel look like a resort. Isard wasted so much resources that could have been used by Thrawn to utterly destroy the NR's floating blobs of wired shapes. Palpatine failed dearly, right start from killing Darth Plageuis too early. Daala used brute force-Again a wage of resources. Palleon worked fine with diplomacy. You realise how majority of the IR leaders thought that by simply enlarging their triangles, they would win? Thrawn was the only one capable of waging war, tactically and economically. Apparently most of them thought that the resources were as infinite as from 19BBY-4ABY.The EoTH were largely based on Chiss tech, which showed no evidence of gigantic ships, but rather much superior tech and strategy.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: September 19, 2012, 09:51:14 PM »Indeed. Plus I find Kaine, Jerec and the Alignment as a whole fascinating.