Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: March 28, 2012, 07:20:17 PM »Yes the Firespray counts.(The fact it is the ship of the Fetts also should automatically rate respect too I would measure.)
Posted by: Senza
« on: March 28, 2012, 05:30:35 PM »Hang on a minute. Does the Firespray count as a starfighter?
YOU DARE QUESTION THE SHIP OF THE FETTS? In all seriousness though I'm not sure. The TIE Avenger was a giant leap in imperial fighter technology, so maybe it for innovation?
Posted by: Slornie
« on: March 28, 2012, 04:49:50 PM »Firespray, just because who doesn't love Slave 1?Hang on a minute. Does the Firespray count as a starfighter?
Posted by: tlmiller
« on: March 28, 2012, 04:36:42 PM »I would thing others that should be considered for the list would be
A-Wing, was such a massive jump in overall performance from the X-Wing.
Skipray Blastboat, how many other fighter/bombers can lay claim to occasionally being classified as a capital ship?
XG-1 Star Wing, for the sole fact that at the time it came out, it was the only Imperial fighter that was often used that couldn't be destroyed by looking sternly at it.
Firespray, just because who doesn't love Slave 1?
A-Wing, was such a massive jump in overall performance from the X-Wing.
Skipray Blastboat, how many other fighter/bombers can lay claim to occasionally being classified as a capital ship?
XG-1 Star Wing, for the sole fact that at the time it came out, it was the only Imperial fighter that was often used that couldn't be destroyed by looking sternly at it.
Firespray, just because who doesn't love Slave 1?
Posted by: Znieh
« on: March 27, 2012, 11:33:00 PM »For service length though it might be the Z-95.
Service Length: Considering that Yuuzhan VOng didn't believe in developing something new I think Coralskipper could be a winner but not really knowing, I'll have to say Aurek-class fighter used by Old Republic for over a thousand years.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Aurek-class fighter beats the Z-95 hands down on service length.
So far though thinking about what fighters should be in the top 10 besides the X-wing and in no particular order as of yet.
Aurek-class (over a 1000 years of service, got to be a good fighter)
TIE Line Fighter (Most mass produced Fighter and a symbol of the Empire)
TIE Avenger (Super high Innovation, was the father of the Interceptor and Defender)
TIE Defender (Innovation and Kill ratio High, and I'm sure I would be crucified if I didn't include it
Those are my thoughts at the moment, I like some of the other fighters on Lord Xizer's list, just got to do some research on em, I don't think the TIE Phantom should be on the list though, considering it was a prototype and barley used before being destroyed, so it would score very low on the scales.
Posted by: Senza
« on: March 27, 2012, 09:47:16 PM »This is true. I consider myself a loyal Imperial, but find Zaarin intriguing from a tactical standpoint. He out thought the Emperor and Vader both. Nearly pulled off the coup of the century that would have placed him on the Throne and was an equal opponent against Thrawn for months, I consider him to tactically be the second most brilliant Grand Admiral of the original twelve and Thrawn. He's also fascinating in his character in that he was loyal to the idea of the Empire but not the Emperor, he never joined the Rebels or criminal factions to bolster his cause. I admire his daring and ambition as Thrawn really followed in his footsteps 5 years after Endor by assuming control of the Empire which according to Imperial Decree(which only recognized the Emperor or HIS designated heir, though there was not one) was just as treasonous as Zaarin's coup though it was best for the Empire. I find myself wondering if Zaarin might have been better than Palps at ruling the Empire at times. Thrawn certainly did better than the Emperor, maybe another Grand Admiral might have done well too.
As for my login name there's another bit of irony there, in that I despise Xizor and Black Sun lol. When I was a young kid I picked the name Xizer(Pronounced ZI-ZER unlike Xizor-SHE-ZOR) for my friends to call me because I didn't like my actual name since it felt far to common and I never cared for it. A few years later I read Shadows of the Empire and got a bit of a laugh when I saw how close to Xizor's name I had come. I added the Lord title for kicks and it complements the name.
Alright! Makes sense, I've just been wondering :p. Anyway, I kind of derailed the thread. Of course at this point its just us trying to justify something besides the X-Wing. For service length though it might be the Z-95.
Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: March 27, 2012, 07:44:16 PM »It was also the TIE Defender that foiled his coup attempt, though. On the topic of Zaarin, I notice you always talk about being a loyal son of the Emperor, yet you use an image of Zaarin briefing his officers as your avatar, and your name is very similar to Xizor :p.
This is true. I consider myself a loyal Imperial, but find Zaarin intriguing from a tactical standpoint. He out thought the Emperor and Vader both. Nearly pulled off the coup of the century that would have placed him on the Throne and was an equal opponent against Thrawn for months, I consider him to tactically be the second most brilliant Grand Admiral of the original twelve and Thrawn. He's also fascinating in his character in that he was loyal to the idea of the Empire but not the Emperor, he never joined the Rebels or criminal factions to bolster his cause. I admire his daring and ambition as Thrawn really followed in his footsteps 5 years after Endor by assuming control of the Empire which according to Imperial Decree(which only recognized the Emperor or HIS designated heir, though there was not one) was just as treasonous as Zaarin's coup though it was best for the Empire. I find myself wondering if Zaarin might have been better than Palps at ruling the Empire at times. Thrawn certainly did better than the Emperor, maybe another Grand Admiral might have done well too.
As for my login name there's another bit of irony there, in that I despise Xizor and Black Sun lol. When I was a young kid I picked the name Xizer(Pronounced ZI-ZER unlike Xizor-SHE-ZOR) for my friends to call me because I didn't like my actual name since it felt far to common and I never cared for it. A few years later I read Shadows of the Empire and got a bit of a laugh when I saw how close to Xizor's name I had come. I added the Lord title for kicks and it complements the name.
Posted by: Meyer
« on: March 27, 2012, 01:59:51 PM »I'll just copy Slornies idea and substitute it with my own.
Kill Ratio: X-wing does indeed win this one thanks to Rogue Squadron
Fear Factor: I think Tie Defender would be the most terrifying foe, even more so considering that it was only flown by elite pilots
Innovation: I think Bes'uliik with it's beskar armor and 0.4 hyperdrive is the winner in this category
Production Rating: Standard Tie fighter of course or maybe Vulture-class droid fighter
Service Length: Considering that Yuuzhan VOng didn't believe in developing something new I think Coralskipper could be a winner but not really knowing, I'll have to say Aurek-class fighter used by Old Republic for over a thousand years.
Kill Ratio: X-wing does indeed win this one thanks to Rogue Squadron
Fear Factor: I think Tie Defender would be the most terrifying foe, even more so considering that it was only flown by elite pilots
Innovation: I think Bes'uliik with it's beskar armor and 0.4 hyperdrive is the winner in this category
Production Rating: Standard Tie fighter of course or maybe Vulture-class droid fighter
Service Length: Considering that Yuuzhan VOng didn't believe in developing something new I think Coralskipper could be a winner but not really knowing, I'll have to say Aurek-class fighter used by Old Republic for over a thousand years.
Posted by: Senza
« on: March 27, 2012, 01:36:53 PM »Also they didn't accept the TIE Defender as a whole because Grand Admiral Zaarin developed it and used it in his coup attempt so no one felt comfortable accepting a traitors design.
It was also the TIE Defender that foiled his coup attempt, though. On the topic of Zaarin, I notice you always talk about being a loyal son of the Emperor, yet you use an image of Zaarin briefing his officers as your avatar, and your name is very similar to Xizor :p.
Posted by: Slornie
« on: March 27, 2012, 01:12:47 PM »Rather than give a definitive top 10, im going to list which fighter i think comes out top in each of the factors:
Kill Ratio: As i said earlier, and largely due to the esteemed Rogue Squadron, this one goes to the X-Wing.
Fear Factor: Not really sure about this one, but im gonna go for the TIE Fighter for that scream.
Innovation: The B-Wing has a unique rotating cockpit, need i say more?
Production Rating: For obvious reasons this has to be the standard TIE Fighter, manufactured in the millions with a precisely engineered propulsion system.
Service Length: With a first in-service date of 22-18 BBY and still in use during the Second Galactic Civil War, the venerable Y-Wing has been in active service by some force or other for over 60 years.
Kill Ratio: As i said earlier, and largely due to the esteemed Rogue Squadron, this one goes to the X-Wing.
Fear Factor: Not really sure about this one, but im gonna go for the TIE Fighter for that scream.
Innovation: The B-Wing has a unique rotating cockpit, need i say more?
Production Rating: For obvious reasons this has to be the standard TIE Fighter, manufactured in the millions with a precisely engineered propulsion system.
Service Length: With a first in-service date of 22-18 BBY and still in use during the Second Galactic Civil War, the venerable Y-Wing has been in active service by some force or other for over 60 years.
Posted by: Znieh
« on: March 27, 2012, 11:56:04 AM »Personally I think X-wing as a decent fighter but not the best. You have to remember that a lot of the books where it is killing everything encountered, describe some sort of elite squadron, like the Rogue squadron, against some noobs fresh from flight school. X-wings reputation is built on having the best pilots, not being the best fighter in service.
That is partially true, I do believe that the X-wing was not the best fighter in a one on one fight. If you had two fighters with the same skilled pilots one being a X-wing and the other being a TIE Defender, the Defender would most likely win. But the X-wing was more than just a decent fighter with good pilots, it was also good enough to be the backbone of the Rebel Alliance/New Republic for almost 40 years, and it was easy enough to mass produce, learn to fly, and maintenance that a ragtag group of freedom fighters were able to use it to beat an empire. But I guess the purpose of the Top10 show and the one I presented here is not to find the best performing vehicle but the vehicle that was the best all around and made the most historical impact both in regards of future innovations and actual changes in war. If you take that in regard I don't see how the X-wing can't be #1
Posted by: Meyer
« on: March 27, 2012, 12:20:12 AM »Personally I think X-wing as a decent fighter but not the best. You have to remember that a lot of the books where it is killing everything encountered, describe some sort of elite squadron, like the Rogue squadron, against some noobs fresh from flight school. X-wings reputation is built on having the best pilots, not being the best fighter in service.
Posted by: Znieh
« on: March 26, 2012, 10:31:28 PM »Also they didn't accept the TIE Defender as a whole because Grand Admiral Zaarin developed it and used it in his coup attempt so no one felt comfortable accepting a traitors design.
TIE Defender? More like the TIE Defector
But yeah that makes since, since the did the same thing to the Howlrunner. Posted by: Lord Xizer
« on: March 26, 2012, 08:53:05 PM »Also they didn't accept the TIE Defender as a whole because Grand Admiral Zaarin developed it and used it in his coup attempt so no one felt comfortable accepting a traitors design.
Posted by: Senza
« on: March 26, 2012, 06:23:41 PM »I agree with that, the XG-1 may not have been as fast as the x-wing, but it was a good all around ship, that thing could take a beating. As for the TIE Defender, yes, they are ridiculously awesome, but like others have said they're too expensive. Personally for me the only real choice is the X-Wing, as much as I love flying Defenders, there just were never enough of them.